Wal-Mart guns

[birddog]

Remington 870s are actually manufactured at the Kraft foods factory, next to the macaroni and cheese. Meanwhile, the Keebler factory makes all of Walmart's WWB ammo.

I wondered what those crumbs in my shotgun were! Elfin magic!

Great post.

 

[koja48]

I buy some things here, some there (guns included), but usually always with "best quality for my $$" in mind. I don't cater to businesses; they need to cater to the consumer. I supported my local FFL until I discovered that a piece for which I was next in line was sold to a "friend," and I was the handed a cock & bull story in it's place. In my experience, big box stores "come in" to small towns AFTER they are no longer small towns. I have never purchased a gun from Wal-Mart for any other reason than they haven't had what I may have been in the market for at that time. Some gun dealers do consistently offer good deals all of the time; I don't know why, nor do I care but I hope they continue to do so.

I miss mom & pop businesses, unlocked doors, 10-cent sodas, 29-cent per gallon gas, & '50s & 60s gun prices, but have accepted the fact that "the times, they are a'changin." Nor do I hold any animosity for anyone such as Sam Walton or Bill Gates who have had the drive & business acumen to create successful enterprises and the ability to earn obscene amounts of money.

I like the thought of Keebler ammo, however . . . especially the upland loads with pecan bits as filler . . .

 

[awilson0407]

What has Wal-Mart done to America? America produced Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart did not produce America.

I'm NOT suggesting that Walmart is at fault...I'm talking in terms of the result of a "Walmart". Just as the result of the fast food industry on American health and obesity...Walmart has had bad consequences on our ecconomy, IMHO!!!!!

Unfortunately, the American government has been going to the lowest bidder a lot longer than Wal-Mart has been around. We used to remind anyone making their first jump, the 'chute was made by the lowest bidder. I guess that ruined America with your logic.

The government can go to the lowest bidder but still maintain specifications that are highly scrutinized. You can't tell me that the crap that Walmart sells meets some sort of minimum set of specifications that insures the level of quality does not suffer.

If a supplier is selling less than first quality products to Wal-Mart, then Wal-Mart is the injured party, not the abuser. If a supplier cannot make their same quality product at the price Wally wants, it should say so, and back out.

We're no longer dealig with quality that a free market supplies. There is no free market when you have Chinese labor you have to compete with.

Most will not, because they like those big contracts. typical, blame the victim, because they are big and successful, let the criminal plead, "it's not my fault!"

You're conveniently overlooking the fact that quality of products in america has suffered greatly as a result of our having to compete on a playing field that is not level...but Walmart has leveled it for themselves by joining the other side with operations in China probably bigger than their operations in America.

Earlier, a fellow accused those who shop at Wally World of being Whores, and sheep. When I pointed out that a group of a certain political persuasion usually did that, he accused me of calling people names.

Man, that is right out of a certain political persuasions play book. Blame the victim for doing what you are doing, and make counter claims. Anything but face the issue.

AS to the fellow who said he didn't fall off the turnip truck. Well maybe he should.

Wal-Marts suppliers apparently are unable to fend for themselves. None of them, according to many folks, are able to use the magic words, "NO".

Would they sell less, probably, but that is what they should do, if they cannot compete. In the end, just like with individuals, it is about personal responsibility.

But then the elitists, always know better than the rest of us ignorant, whoring, sheepish, peasants. (to use the words used in this thread about those of us that shop at Wal-Mart)

I think you need to look at the bigger picture. I'm all for free trade...less government, etc...we hardly have that now!!!!

 

[chieftain]

I'm NOT suggesting that Walmart is at fault...I'm talking in terms of the result of a "Walmart". Just as the result of the fast food industry on American health and obesity...Walmart has had bad consequences on our ecconomy, IMHO!!!!!

Fast food doesn’t make America Fat. People eating the wrong foods do. Guns don’t kill people, people kill people, What “result” of Wal-Mart, specifically are you talking about. Once again, the “people” are being led astray by Wal-Mart? And only those that see the light know better.

The word you are looking for, is called elitism. Just how are the “people” being led astray. Because they shop based on their own self interest, instead of yours?

The government can go to the lowest bidder but still maintain specifications that are highly scrutinized. You can't tell me that the crap that Walmart sells meets some sort of minimum set of specifications that insures the level of quality does not suffer.

So does Wal-Mart. Probably MORE scrutinized than the government.

The best part is the “Crap” at Wal-Mart is no better or worse than the “Crap” sold any where else. Just costs less, and Wally makes a smaller profit.

We're no longer dealig with quality that a free market supplies. There is no free market when you have Chinese labor you have to compete with. [/Quality]

Oh? Then you and your family shop for their clothes, at Nieman Marcus only? It is a very free market. What part isn’t free. Just because you can’t compete, doesn’t make it less free.

I guess that’s why a Chinese car company is about to become the largest auto maker in the world? NO! It is a Japanese company, building most of their cars right here in the United States is. Why? Because they are offering products people want at prices they can afford. Very radical concept.

You're conveniently overlooking the fact that quality of products in America has suffered greatly as a result of our having to compete on a playing field that is not level...but Walmart has leveled it for themselves by joining the other side with operations in China probably bigger than their operations in America.

I don’t see were America has suffered greatly. In fact I believe we have benefited from this free competition. The Playing field has never been level, ever. It is continually changing.

What is the “other side” that Wal-Mart has joined? The Socialists? Cause it sure ain’t the Free world Capitalist markets that made America Great!

It isn't the Free market folks trying to tear Wally down. It is the Communist/Democrat/Socialist/Liberal/Progressive folks along with the Unions.

I think you need to look at the bigger picture. I'm all for free trade...less government, etc...we hardly have that now!!!!

Interesting. It is the more government folks trying to tear Wally down. I guess my big picture is just a might bigger than yours. I just believe in less government.

I presume you want some sort of government restriction on Wally, because they are so effective. Sure wouldn’t want the “people” to get the products they want, at the prices they want to pay.

Interesting free market theory you have. IMNSHO.

Go figure.

Fred

 

[awilson0407]

Interesting. It is the more government folks trying to tear Wally down. I guess my big picture is just a might bigger than yours. I just believe in less government.

I presume you want some sort of government restriction on Wally, because they are so effective. Sure wouldn’t want the “people” to get the products they want, at the prices they want to pay.

Interesting free market theory you have. IMNSHO.

Oh? You call competition with China the "free market" at work, I suppose? Yeah...our biggest exports to China have pretty much been reduced to scrap metal and waste paper. Free market alright!

 

[2RCO]

I did hear that the Weatherby guns Wal Mart sells are considerably different than those sold elsewhere. I bought several model 70's from Wally World and they were the same as those I bought elsewhere of the same models. All the Wally World ones had scopes and were cheaper than elsewhere without scopes. For my $.02.

 

[meef]

Well folks, here we are yet once AGAIN with the "Walmart is the Devil Incarnate" thread of the week.

Don't people have better things to hammer on - like which is the better caliber, 45acp or 9mm...?

Good grief.

Deja vu all over again.

 

[awilson0407]

Don't people have better things to hammer on - like which is the better caliber, 45acp or 9mm...?

You know you really don't have to read all of the posts. Some of us weren't here for the previous idiotic posts about Walmart. That said...I will end my contribution to this futile discussion with a final comment (from me) on how absurd it is to think that Walmart has a laissez-faire governmental philosophy. The foundation of their success is completely dependant upon continued governmental intervention.

 

[rantingredneck]

Back on the topic of actual GUNS at Walmart for a bit?


I just bought another there today. Never had a problem with any of my Walmart guns other than a Charles Daly Shotgun. But that was more due to it being a CD than from whence I bought it.

I've bought the following:

Rem 700ADL .30-06
CD Multimag (crap)
Marlin 25MN
CVA Optima (tackdriver )
Rem 700ADL .243 Win. (it was on clearance today, couldn't help it )

Walmart's guns are no different than the ones you find in the mom n pop gunshop. They simply buy in greater volume and therefore get better wholesale pricing therefore better pricing to you. They can also afford to take a hit and sell some guns on clearance from time to time and actually sell them below cost. Their profit margin is only about 10% at best on their guns.

 

[chieftain]

You know you really don't have to read all of the posts. Some of us weren't here for the previous idiotic posts about Walmart. That said...I will end my contribution to this futile discussion with a final comment (from me) on how absurd it is to think that Walmart has a laissez-faire governmental philosophy. The foundation of their success is completely dependant upon continued governmental intervention.

Interesting claim, that I don't believe you can back up.

But I understand. When logic and facts fail, make unsubstantiated statements and run away.

None of the guns I have purchased at Wal-Mart were made in or shipped through China. I guess they screwed up on that, huh?

Go figure.

Fred

 

[Tomcat47]

I will not get to deep into this as to not get off track......but lets just say that Wally World has not become what Sam invisioned it to be.

Just ask Schrade Cutlery.....Oh! never mind they are out of business due to Walmart returning their product so they could put the cheaper brand in stock. ( we are not talkin a few items here....we are talkin millions.....all at once... bankrupt over night! SAD....and this is fact, walmarts terms with vendors sucks... and you the little guy are at there mercy! Dont believe it...try to sell to them!

The guns are probably the lowest production grade firearms from each company, but that does not mean they are bad firearms.....but I choose to support my local gun shop and use these...... ....for targets.

Roll that back..........

no I do not hate Wally World either .... I just hate that my wife loves Walmart :banghead:

I keep tellin her ....they will put everyone out of business one day and then they wont roll nothing back....they will roll it up..

 

[joab]

Just ask Schrade Cutlery.....Oh! never mind they are out of business due to Walmart returning their product so they could put the cheaper brand in stock.

Why would Schrade have put so much stock in WalMart?
Could it be that without Wally they would have gone under a few years earlier?
The company that bought Schrade seems to be doing alright

 

[joab]

You can't tell me that the crap that Walmart sells meets some sort of minimum set of specifications that insures the level of quality does not suffer.

Sure i does.
It meets the one standard that is important in a capitalist society
It is marketable

We're no longer dealig with quality that a free market supplies. There is no free market when you have Chinese labor you have to compete with.

So what, you think our government should step in to level the field

You're conveniently overlooking the fact that quality of products in america has suffered greatly as a result of our having to compete on a playing field that is not level...but Walmart has leveled it for themselves by joining the other side with operations in China probably bigger than their operations in America.

Should our government step in on that also to make sure that Walmart has not created too much of an advantage for themselves

Oh? You call competition with China the "free market" at work, I suppose? Yeah...our biggest exports to China have pretty much been reduced to scrap metal and waste paper. Free market alright!

Whose fault is that?
China's for becoming a budding nation of capitalist or Americas for becoming a service nation that produces little more than the waste that China builds our products with?

 

[chieftain]

Roll that back..........

no I do not hate Wally World either .... I just hate that my wife loves Walmart

Of course not.

The guns are probably the lowest production grade firearms from each company, but that does not mean they are bad firearms.....but I choose to support my local gun shop and use these

Do you shop for the gun shop with the highest prices? Do you use the internet, or are you just anti Wal-Mart?

My Mossberg 590 and Winchester 94 with a laminated stock, were neither the bottom of the barrel or the lowest production grade. I have had both for over 10 years. I don't see any difference in them than anyone else's.

Sorry to piss on your emotional argument with facts. Keep trying.

Go figure.

Fred

 

[shotout]

Check out the number with the barcode on the box to be sure. If they are the same number, then they were manufactured to the same standards.

I used to be GM at a small manufacturer that sold to wal-mart. Wal-mart buyers pressure manufacturers to supply them with a lower cost product than would be sold to their competitors. It may be packaged cheaper, lacking documentation, or made with cheaper materials. They just want it cheaper, period. Any of these changes will result in a different barcode on the product package.

Some manufacturers will not cave-in and produce different products for wal-mart. I do not know about firearms manufacturers, but I suspect the pressure to increase sales has led them to produce models specifically for sales to wal-mart and other discounters.

 

[awilson0407]

Quote:
You know you really don't have to read all of the posts. Some of us weren't here for the previous idiotic posts about Walmart. That said...I will end my contribution to this futile discussion with a final comment (from me) on how absurd it is to think that Walmart has a laissez-faire governmental philosophy. The foundation of their success is completely dependant upon continued governmental intervention.

Interesting claim, that I don't believe you can back up.

OK...too naieve to pass up this one. Do you have a clue as to the operations Walmart has in China? Now I'm done!!!

 

[joab]

OK...too naieve to pass up this one. Do you have a clue as to the operations Walmart has in China? Now I'm done!!!

I guess this means you can't back up the claim

 

[awilson0407]

My Mossberg 590 and Winchester 94 with a laminated stock, were neither the bottom of the barrel or the lowest production grade.

A real gun conniseur. I hope they're in a safe.

 

[chieftain]

OK...too naieve to pass up this one. Do you have a clue as to the operations Walmart has in China? Now I'm done!!!

Absolutely, but what does that have to do with your point. US Fruit, Exxon, and Browning (just three examples) have have been manufacturing, growing or extracting their products over seas for years. All have sold products through Wal-Mart. I have always considered Browning, US Fruit and Exxon offering quality products.

IN fact Wal-Mart is trying to open retail operations in China too. Now who are the Chinese Unions and Communists going to blame. Bangladesh?

Or like many folks just Anti Wal-Mart. Good bye.

Go figure.

Fred

 

[chieftain]

A real gun conniseur. I hope they're in a safe.

Nope, No Connoisseur. Just two of my 47 rifles and shotguns. But then a TRUE connoisseur like yourself, would not have anything as cheap as my Mossberg or Winchester in your collection, I am sure.

Like I said in an earlier post, you sound awfully Elitist to me. I don't have the time or money to shop for more expensive weapons like you apparently do.

And for your peace of mind, many of us peasants secure our weapons too. I am sure my safes are much cheaper than yours too.

Go figure.

Fred

 

[awilson0407]

Does this board have an "ignore" feature? I'm looking for it!!!!

 

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Where did this myth that Wal-Mart has such great prices come from? I know they are cheaper on some things but you can find better prices elsewhere. Just because Wal-Mart is a hell hole staffed by people that don't give a crap and run by people who are greedy beyond belief doesn't automatically make everything they sell a deal.

I think WM is a crappy store that is going to go out of business soon. Who wants to walk half a mile through a crowded parking lot to push their way past 3000 pregnat Mexicans women to buy a box of ammo.

 

[joab]

Does this board have an "ignore" feature? I'm looking for it!!!!

You've made two posts since your last final post and still have not attempted to back up any of your claims
Instead you choose to go the immature snipe and run route with insults to other's guns while adding absolutely nothing to the discussion

I don't think you will have to worry about that ignore feature, others will find it for you

 

[joab]

Where did this myth that Wal-Mart has such great prices come from?

Good PR

I don't think the real issue is that they are cheap on everything, just that they have so many items under one roof that they sell cheaply

To get better deals you would have to drive around town to many different locations

 

[Titus]

So wait, a customer that buys a ton of stuff pressures their suppliers for lower prices? I've never heard of such a thing!