Wal-Mart raised .45 ACP prices again!
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wally
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Best ammo prices in the Houston area has been at gun shows lately. Got a case of Aguila 230gr FMJ $189/1000 (+tax). Ranger SXT JHP has been $19/50 out the door.
You can try www.ammunitiontogo.com, the dealer out of Brenham, TX that makes most of the larger shows. Don't know what they charge for S&H, "need more ammo" is a great excuse to to to another gunshow
--wally.
You can try www.ammunitiontogo.com, the dealer out of Brenham, TX that makes most of the larger shows. Don't know what they charge for S&H, "need more ammo" is a great excuse to to to another gunshow
--wally.
redneck2
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For the guys that aren't reloaders...
I can get (last time I checked...been a while) .45 acp bullets for about $30/500. Makes reloads about $5 per 50.
Instead of asking the cheapest route, ask the best route. A good progressive (Dillon 550 or Hornady L-n-L) and absolutely everything you will need will run $500. Do yourself a big favor up front and forget "cheapest". With a progressive, you can load 8-10 boxes per hour.
If you save $10 per box, it only takes 50 boxes and the loader and all the other stuff you need is free. If you shoot something like 45LC or 10mm, it pays back way, way faster.
Look at it this way...if you had enough components, you could load enough in one morning to pay for the reloading equipment. Makes the math pretty simple.
I can get (last time I checked...been a while) .45 acp bullets for about $30/500. Makes reloads about $5 per 50.
Instead of asking the cheapest route, ask the best route. A good progressive (Dillon 550 or Hornady L-n-L) and absolutely everything you will need will run $500. Do yourself a big favor up front and forget "cheapest". With a progressive, you can load 8-10 boxes per hour.
If you save $10 per box, it only takes 50 boxes and the loader and all the other stuff you need is free. If you shoot something like 45LC or 10mm, it pays back way, way faster.
Look at it this way...if you had enough components, you could load enough in one morning to pay for the reloading equipment. Makes the math pretty simple.
Dravur
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Econ 201 Lesson
Ok, it seems we need a refresher course, so here goes.... I had no idea that Wal-mart, Exxon, et al had their collective hands in your pocket, Lou. I was not aware that they could force you to shop at their store or buy their fuel. It must be great having the power to force people to buy at Wal-mart, etc. Unfortunatly, reality steps in..... Wal-mart cannot force you to shop there..... Simple, isn't it? Exxon cannot force you to buy their fuel. They cannot even force you to buy any fuel whatsoever. You can walk, bike or take a bob-sled. They cannot even force you to kiss a puppy. See? simple.
Wal-mart, Exxon and every other business are out to make a profit. Is the 10% that Exxon made in 2005 excessive? hardly. Is the profit that Wal-mart made exscessive? No, because, they are in business and that is what businesses do. I don't begrudge Google for making it's profit. They have to compete as well.
As to the bar-coding and other things Wal-mart does to hold down prices at their distributors, they do this to lower the COGS and to keep the prices low. This way, the consumer comes to their store and not to others. The reason the distributors will pretty much drop trou and kiss Wal-mart's tushie is that if they can get their product sold at Wal-mart, they have it made! If you can get your product sold in Wal-mart, you may make a smaller margin, but you will sell millions of units, thereby making a much higher profit than you would selling more traditionally. If all I had to do to get my merchandise into Wal-mart was to put a bar-code on it, I would hand draw it on with rare giant squid ink.
Now, back to the lesson.... You are free to shop wherever you like. I am guessing that if Wal-mart is raising their prices, everyone else is too. If not, go shop somewhere where you like the prices.
Oh, and if metals prices fall and fuel prices fall, you can bet the price of the ammo will fall eventually. That is what Wal-mart does. They know that if they don't, Big 5 down the street will undercut them and they will not sell as many units fast enough.
BTW, your homework assignment is.... Look up the word Fungible and be prepared to discuss it's use in the case of Crude Oil.
Oh yes, and I like Peanut butter and Honey sandwiches for lunch, it just sounds good, on a nice potato bread.
Ok, it seems we need a refresher course, so here goes.... I had no idea that Wal-mart, Exxon, et al had their collective hands in your pocket, Lou. I was not aware that they could force you to shop at their store or buy their fuel. It must be great having the power to force people to buy at Wal-mart, etc. Unfortunatly, reality steps in..... Wal-mart cannot force you to shop there..... Simple, isn't it? Exxon cannot force you to buy their fuel. They cannot even force you to buy any fuel whatsoever. You can walk, bike or take a bob-sled. They cannot even force you to kiss a puppy. See? simple.
Wal-mart, Exxon and every other business are out to make a profit. Is the 10% that Exxon made in 2005 excessive? hardly. Is the profit that Wal-mart made exscessive? No, because, they are in business and that is what businesses do. I don't begrudge Google for making it's profit. They have to compete as well.
As to the bar-coding and other things Wal-mart does to hold down prices at their distributors, they do this to lower the COGS and to keep the prices low. This way, the consumer comes to their store and not to others. The reason the distributors will pretty much drop trou and kiss Wal-mart's tushie is that if they can get their product sold at Wal-mart, they have it made! If you can get your product sold in Wal-mart, you may make a smaller margin, but you will sell millions of units, thereby making a much higher profit than you would selling more traditionally. If all I had to do to get my merchandise into Wal-mart was to put a bar-code on it, I would hand draw it on with rare giant squid ink.
Now, back to the lesson.... You are free to shop wherever you like. I am guessing that if Wal-mart is raising their prices, everyone else is too. If not, go shop somewhere where you like the prices.
Oh, and if metals prices fall and fuel prices fall, you can bet the price of the ammo will fall eventually. That is what Wal-mart does. They know that if they don't, Big 5 down the street will undercut them and they will not sell as many units fast enough.
BTW, your homework assignment is.... Look up the word Fungible and be prepared to discuss it's use in the case of Crude Oil.
Oh yes, and I like Peanut butter and Honey sandwiches for lunch, it just sounds good, on a nice potato bread.
ImprezaSTI
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I love shooting my 1911 but I'm starting to like my 9mm Glock alot more now.
White_Wolf
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Dillon 550B new with .45 dies and shell plate= $365
Scale= $40
Calipers= $20
Primer flip tray= $20
Falling in love with a new hobby= Priceless
I’m afraid to start reloading. I’ve heard from the reloading forum here that it’s very addictive. It’s a hobby all its own.
So take a look at how much you spend on your gun hobby, and realize reloading is going to be your second hobby LOL. Reloading sure does sound fun though. I just love studying ballistics!
As for why the price of ammo has gone up: If indeed the metals that make a bullet have gone up, than the price of manufacturing a bullet will go up accordingly, and thus the price inflates accordingly from the manufacturer to the distributor to the store selling it to you.
Also, the price of oil makes the distribution of everything go up accordingly. And let’s not rule out the ever present supply and demand factor. Maybe more people are buying guns and shooting and thus sucking up more ammo.
Also, as mentioned earlier, just because the price of the materials that went into the bullet have recently gone down, this doesn’t mean that the items that were being made during that time can go back down at this very moment. It’s called “lag”.
And the fact that due to our federal reserve money, the value of the dollar decreases at a constant, and is made up for by raising minimum wage, which ultimately devalues the dollar even farther add infinitum.
But, to those who are laughing at the conspiracy angle of it: for a good while now gun control activists have been lobbying congress to pass certain laws that would force redundant government enforced inspections at every turn of gun and ammunition manufacturing, and certain taxes raises, thus increasing the cost of guns and ammunition. And it will all go under the guise of “safety regulations to protect the people”. I can only believe it’s just a matter of time before the lobbyist get these laws passed.
Also, price gouge, monopoly, cartel, aren’t science fiction terms like, photon torpedo, hyperspace, and phaser; they are real terms because these things are real events. Industries do price gouge when they feel it’s the profitable move to make.
You must realize that a corporation has no heart, no soul, no humanity, only the unquenchable thirst for more money. The owners of a publicly traded company are not under the lawful obligation to be nice, or humane; they are under a lawful obligation to maximize profits for the share holders. No corporation is going to lower its prices for the sake of being nice to their customers; it simply isn’t the nature of a capitalist corporation.
Scale= $40
Calipers= $20
Primer flip tray= $20
Falling in love with a new hobby= Priceless
I’m afraid to start reloading. I’ve heard from the reloading forum here that it’s very addictive. It’s a hobby all its own.
So take a look at how much you spend on your gun hobby, and realize reloading is going to be your second hobby LOL. Reloading sure does sound fun though. I just love studying ballistics!
As for why the price of ammo has gone up: If indeed the metals that make a bullet have gone up, than the price of manufacturing a bullet will go up accordingly, and thus the price inflates accordingly from the manufacturer to the distributor to the store selling it to you.
Also, the price of oil makes the distribution of everything go up accordingly. And let’s not rule out the ever present supply and demand factor. Maybe more people are buying guns and shooting and thus sucking up more ammo.
Also, as mentioned earlier, just because the price of the materials that went into the bullet have recently gone down, this doesn’t mean that the items that were being made during that time can go back down at this very moment. It’s called “lag”.
And the fact that due to our federal reserve money, the value of the dollar decreases at a constant, and is made up for by raising minimum wage, which ultimately devalues the dollar even farther add infinitum.
But, to those who are laughing at the conspiracy angle of it: for a good while now gun control activists have been lobbying congress to pass certain laws that would force redundant government enforced inspections at every turn of gun and ammunition manufacturing, and certain taxes raises, thus increasing the cost of guns and ammunition. And it will all go under the guise of “safety regulations to protect the people”. I can only believe it’s just a matter of time before the lobbyist get these laws passed.
Also, price gouge, monopoly, cartel, aren’t science fiction terms like, photon torpedo, hyperspace, and phaser; they are real terms because these things are real events. Industries do price gouge when they feel it’s the profitable move to make.
You must realize that a corporation has no heart, no soul, no humanity, only the unquenchable thirst for more money. The owners of a publicly traded company are not under the lawful obligation to be nice, or humane; they are under a lawful obligation to maximize profits for the share holders. No corporation is going to lower its prices for the sake of being nice to their customers; it simply isn’t the nature of a capitalist corporation.
OK DRAV...
So that's the extent you're willing to bet??
I stand by my last offer of a bet:
So, I'll be expecting your PM then, telling me how much you'd really like to wager that ammo prices won't be even higher next spring, while the commodities, gasoline & diesel continue to fall, right?
^^Couldn't have said it better myself White Wolf
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So that's the extent you're willing to bet??
I stand by my last offer of a bet:
So, I'll be expecting your PM then, telling me how much you'd really like to wager that ammo prices won't be even higher next spring, while the commodities, gasoline & diesel continue to fall, right?
^^Couldn't have said it better myself White Wolf
TimboKhan
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Interestingly, my local Wal-Mart was selling boxes of .45 silvertip for $8.50/box in thier clearance case the other day. They still had some in the normal case, and the clearance boxes had been ripped, so evidently that's the only reason they were on clearance.
mogunner
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Wal-Mart raised .45 ACP again
All calibers are going up in price here in my area. If you can find good cheap ammo anywhere, buy it, cause its only gonna get higher.
All calibers are going up in price here in my area. If you can find good cheap ammo anywhere, buy it, cause its only gonna get higher.
redneck2
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Hey....I've got a great idea. Start a chain of stores yourself and drive big evil Wal-Mart out of business. While you're at it, sell stuff lower than your cost. That way you can save the American consumer. You'll be an international hero and make tons of money...
oh wait, you're selling at less than cost. Hard to make tons of money
You can whine on the internet all you want about prices. Until you either reload or quit shooting, there's little you can do about it
oh wait, you're selling at less than cost. Hard to make tons of money
You can whine on the internet all you want about prices. Until you either reload or quit shooting, there's little you can do about it
One of many funny walmart ammo stories:
Dad and I are picking up some shotgun shells (a few weeks after the LA Riots) and dad decides to stock up on buckshot, as Wally world has it on sale.
Kid behind the counter says, "we sure do sell a lot of this stuff, what's it for?"
Dad says, "badguys."
We have a chuckle leaving the now palefaced Walmart kid looking confused and worried.
I've had good luck with Wally world, 45 acp was ALWAYS expensive, Walmart had a short run of making it cheaper.
Dad and I are picking up some shotgun shells (a few weeks after the LA Riots) and dad decides to stock up on buckshot, as Wally world has it on sale.
Kid behind the counter says, "we sure do sell a lot of this stuff, what's it for?"
Dad says, "badguys."
We have a chuckle leaving the now palefaced Walmart kid looking confused and worried.
I've had good luck with Wally world, 45 acp was ALWAYS expensive, Walmart had a short run of making it cheaper.
Robert Hairless
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White Wolf:
Juvenile twaddle.
There are many kinds of corporations, including 501c corporations--"non profits"--that exist to distribute money, not make it. An accusation that none of those has a heart, a soul, or humanity, and "only the unquenchable thirst for more money" must be based on a peculiar mixture of ignorance and cynicism.
Of the corporations intended to provide a structure for businesses formed with a profit-making motive, a great many are closely held by families and friends who operate them on ethical principles. Anyone here who is a shareholder in such a family-owned and -operated corporation (such as a Subchapter S corporation that might exist to protect a craft shop, carpentry, or other small business) should feel offended by your sweeping generalizations.
It is not unusual that even for-profit corporations lower their prices for people who cannot afford to pay full price for necessaries. Nor is it unusual for corporations, including WalMart, to contribute to charities. In fact WalMart distributed water and essential supplies to the devastated residents of New Orleans and other areas hit by Hurricane Katrina. Volunteers for charitable events are often fed free-of-charge by for-profit corporations, and a great many large corporations match the charitable contributions of their employees.
Despite your rather narrow beliefs, neither corporations nor capitalism is inherently heartless, soulless, and inhumane, and there is nothing evil in an intent to make money from doing business, practicing a profession, performing services, or working for an employer in return for payment.
People who work for a living rarely turn down the offer of a raise in salary, and many people try to earn as much money as possible during their working lives. They are not heartless, soulless, or inhumane either.
Juvenile twaddle.
There are many kinds of corporations, including 501c corporations--"non profits"--that exist to distribute money, not make it. An accusation that none of those has a heart, a soul, or humanity, and "only the unquenchable thirst for more money" must be based on a peculiar mixture of ignorance and cynicism.
Of the corporations intended to provide a structure for businesses formed with a profit-making motive, a great many are closely held by families and friends who operate them on ethical principles. Anyone here who is a shareholder in such a family-owned and -operated corporation (such as a Subchapter S corporation that might exist to protect a craft shop, carpentry, or other small business) should feel offended by your sweeping generalizations.
It is not unusual that even for-profit corporations lower their prices for people who cannot afford to pay full price for necessaries. Nor is it unusual for corporations, including WalMart, to contribute to charities. In fact WalMart distributed water and essential supplies to the devastated residents of New Orleans and other areas hit by Hurricane Katrina. Volunteers for charitable events are often fed free-of-charge by for-profit corporations, and a great many large corporations match the charitable contributions of their employees.
Despite your rather narrow beliefs, neither corporations nor capitalism is inherently heartless, soulless, and inhumane, and there is nothing evil in an intent to make money from doing business, practicing a profession, performing services, or working for an employer in return for payment.
People who work for a living rarely turn down the offer of a raise in salary, and many people try to earn as much money as possible during their working lives. They are not heartless, soulless, or inhumane either.
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