Weird occurrence last night

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So I picked up my girlfriend from a bar, where she'd been drinking with her friends (I'd been working), about 10pm, and took her to her home. We went in the back door, which is the door everyone normally goes in and out of.

Within 10 seconds, as we made our way through the house, she notices that the front door is OPEN (about 1/2 way), but with the glass storm door closed. She's *pretty* sure, but not 100%, that she didn't leave it open. So I immediately begin backing up to back out, in order to go get a pistol out of the pickup (like an idiot, I didn't have my CCW on me). Girlfriend does not instinctively back up like I do, but rather continues further in. :uhoh:

Get handgun. Come back in. Then she proceeds to tell me that she is 100% positive that when her friend picked her up to go to the bar a couple hours before, she left two different lamps on in the living room - she remembers distinctly leaving them on - and now the living room is pitch black - no lights on. Holy hinkey neck hairs, Batman! :eek:

Before this point, I had gun in pocket, not wanting to blow things out of proportions, but when she told me about the lamps, I pulled out the gun and told her I had it, and I was going to go room to room, clearing every room and closet, which I did. There was no one there and no further incident, but I made a pretty serious error in this way, I think:

While I was clearing the house, downstairs & basement first, then upstairs, she went upstairs to go through a door which connects her living area with the living area of her tenant, who lives on the 3rd floor of the old house, in order to ask the tenant if the tenant had heard anything or knew anything. My mistake was in NOT making her back out of the house and go for a drive or something - she told me she was going upstairs to go through to the tenant's apt, and I actually said ok - I was so focused on looking over the surroundings that I was all but blocking her out of my mind.

I should have insisted that she first and foremost, not go upstairs, and either followed me during the clearing, or leave the house. But not having gone out with her but around 2 months, I didn't feel I knew her that well, to be going into full "man-takeover tactical mode" with her. But I should have overridden my worries of blowing things out of proportion and insisted she leave, and escorted her out, before doing the clearing.

Also, very importantly, it should be noted that the reason she was not worried and used poor judgment in going upstairs - taking this situation too lightly - was the fact that she was drunk. So, we have to remember, that if others are drunk, we have to take over and insist that they make a good decision, not let them make a bad drunken decision. Two of the three people who have keys to her house were at the bar with her, and the third is her sister, who had no reason to come over, is another thing that made this worrisome. And being drunk and under stress this time of year (accountant), she may have been mistaken about the lights. I dunno. Nothing was missing, and all is well. Hopefully, some lessons learned.
 
If you were reasonably sure this was a break-in, then there was no reason to put yourself at risk at all knowing that you had no one at risk inside. Probably better to call the cops & wait in the car, gun in hand. In this scenario, even law enforcement would have called for backup before walking into that dark house.
 
While I was clearing the house

That was the mistake. There are dozens and dozens of posts on this forum saying not to do so. Here's one of them:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5233410&postcount=4

And another:

If you were reasonably sure this was a break-in, then there was no reason to put yourself at risk at all knowing that you had no one at risk inside. Probably better to call the cops & wait in the car, gun in hand. In this scenario, even law enforcement would have called for backup before walking into that dark house.

This is worrisome:

Myself? Check. Spouse? Check. LEO's check. Anyone inside the house is fair game, have at it.

I'm not sure what is meant by that, but do not assume that you may legally shoot someone in a house that had been entered while you were not in it. There was murder conviction reported here for such an action a few weeks ago. As I recall it was a castle law state.

I hope your girlfriend does not mind your having posted this:

she was drunk
 
Nope, if my house is broke in, LEOs are going to sweep the place. Anyone inside will have to decide for themselves how they want to go out of there.

I dont just stumble from the car at end of workday and blind to house condition. I eyeball anything and everything about the structure for signs of breakins.
 
I "clear" the house every time I come home. I am always looking at the house as I drive up looking for signs of someone having been there or is currently there. I am ALWAYS the first one in. I ALWAYS "clear" the house while the rest of the family is coming in. I know my house better than anyone, I'll do it. I don't want an officer walking through my house for any reason. If an officer walks through my house, I'll be dead or in jail.
 
I'll agree with those who opined that if you had reason to believe a break-in may have occurred, you and the GF should have retreated and called the police. Of course, if you had contraband in the house and therefore didn't want to call the cops... Then you're kinda in a bad pinch and have some difficult decisions to make...

Sorry, probably too much assumin' going on from me.

Les
 
No, no contraband, and I think y'all are right - that's even a more fundamental mistake - probably should have called the cops and let them look instead - dangit!

And no, the GF readily admits her drunkenness.
 
I "clear" the house every time I come home. I am always looking at the house as I drive up looking for signs of someone having been there or is currently there. I am ALWAYS the first one in. I ALWAYS "clear" the house while the rest of the family is coming in. I know my house better than anyone, I'll do it. I don't want an officer walking through my house for any reason. If an officer walks through my house, I'll be dead or in jail.

Remember, LE is there to defend us, the law-abiding citizens. Taking that stance in regards to LEO's is counter-intuitive and nonsensical. What do you think they're going to do, rob your house while they clear it? I've had an entire sherriff's dpt. clear my home, they didn't leave any booby-traps.

Otherwise, good policy. Know your castle.

And yeah, you should have secured the perimeter and called the cops. I'd have scouted for exit points and posted myself at the most likely exit for a burglar, and posted the lady at another (at sufficient distance to run if someone protrudes). I wouldn't want anyone getting away, but I'd let the cops do the police work...

Crazy stuff, good to hear it turned out alright, be vigilant brother.
 
clearing a house a not for the average amateur. if you really think there is a chance there is a miscreant there, call for help.
 
I don't want an officer walking through my house for any reason. If an officer walks through my house, I'll be dead or in jail.
That makes absolutely no sense. Unless you have something seriously illegal in your house, it makes sense to let those who have the training, the equipment, and the number of people clear the house. And before I hear someone say how they can shoot better than a cop they know, that's still probably not all there is to house clearing. And even then, you probably don't have the equipment, and certainly don't have the number of people.
 
If your family is safe, leave the house and call LE... If you go in searching, your setting yourself up for too many unkowns for what? The chance to shoot someone? What if you get ambushed? What if there are multiple intruders.

I know what most people are going to say though... If they are in my house, I am gonna shoot 'em... Just not what I would do.

Leroy
 
Drunk people think they're fun to be with, but really they're a pain.

I guess you never really believed her about the lights? If you did you were brave but unwise, as others have pointed out. Nature gives the good no combat advantages over the bad, and somebody hearing you enter the house could have positioned to drop you coming through a doorway.

Glad it ended well for you.
 
So I picked up my girlfriend from a bar, where she'd been drinking with her friends...My mistake was in NOT making her back out of the house and go for a drive or something...the fact that she was drunk.

It could have been a much bigger mistake if you had her drive while intoxicated!
 
One more for clearing house = bad idea

As no one was suppose to be in the home, AKA loved one at risk, it is far more prudent to do a hasty withdrawal, 911 it and observe the residence until the police arrive.

The only time a emergency house clearing is justified is if someone is at risk, as this was not the case, you looked like a hero to your drunk GF and it could have gotten you killed. Sorry no burn intended but live and learn....
 
I pulled out the gun and told her I had it, and I was going to go room to room, clearing every room and closet, which I did.
IMHO, this is the BIGGEST mistake you made. If you suspect a break-in, you immediately back out (with your girlfriend in tow) and call the police from the safety of your locked truck. Instead, you left her in the house to potentially become a hostage or worse and then cleared the house all alone. Bad, Bad Move!! The police are specifically trained to do that dangerous work; it requires teamwork to do it right.
 
I personally believe that ANY contact with LEO on a professional level is bad contact. As a friend, or on a social/personal level, fine. Every time they are called to a residence it goes into a database. This info is used to calculate taxes, insurance rates, etc. Eventually after enough visits, that residence earns a label.

"It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247."
 
Remember, LE is there to defend us, the law-abiding citizens.
NO, they're NOT.

They're there to enforce the law and protect society as a whole.

Police have no duty to protect individuals.
Police have no liability when they fail to protect individuals.
Police have almost no ability to protect individuals.

Believing that the police will PROTECT you is every bit as ill-advised as engaging in a house clearing operation on your own. It's even more likely to get you killed.
 
We've all forgotten to lock the door or have gotten the feeling that something isn't quite the way we left it, so don't worry about it to much. If you walk in and the DVD player and playstation are stacked near the door that's another story!

As far as "clearing" a house, in a real deal situation it isn't worth it! One person with a gun doesn't clear anything, they just take huge chances. Your just "checking" with a gun. Have most cops done it? Sure, out of complacency...99 times out of 100 there's no one there, but that one time! If you know there's a tenant with access and your girl's drunk, forget about it!

If you just have to go for it, try clearing from the top floor down, as the situation permits. In large structures, it allows the crooks to flee downstairs. People who keep going upstairs will eventually eventually be cornered and then you'll be in for some entertainment.

Every time they are called to a residence it goes into a database. This info is used to calculate taxes, insurance rates, etc. Eventually after enough visits, that residence earns a label.

Most modern PD's had a CAD (computer aided dispatch) system, it will show history, by call type, at a particular address. My old one had a "history" button on the screen in the cruiser, pretty handy if you actually used it. The only reputation that gets generated is from the same type of repeated calls for service (drug dealing, domestics, etc.) with the same people. There was always a "history" on stuctures in a city because the system tracked the building number, not the apt...Anyway, it's a non-issue, either you need the help or you don't. As far as this info being diseminated to the public, it didn't happen. The total calls for service and type are important tools in determining staffing and for general planning. I guess you could conclude you're doing your part to keep taxes low by not reporting incidents, but that seems strange to me.
 
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