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el44vaquero

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This is not a thread to bash LEOs. I have all the respect in the world for them. I have a simple question as to what you all would do in this situation.

This morning around 1 am I got a call from an old girlfiend who's living in Bartlesville, Oklahoma. She is screaming and crying that someone is trying to break in her house. She says two men are behind it and one is at each of her doors trying to kick them in. Before this, she was walking through the house shutting off lights on her way to bed. She makes it to the kitchen to see a man coming in her kitchen door. She screams causing him to momentarily hault, and therefor giving her time to slam the door shut in his face and lock it. He yells through the door that she mind as well open it because he was getting in anyway. She calls my sister, and is told to go to her room, push couch in front of door, and call police. She gets a hold of Bartlesville PD and they tell her someone will be out shorty. She lives three blocks from the PD. It took them a hour to finally get there. My little sister's boyfriend was the closest so he went over there and when he pulled up the two thugs bolted. PD told her she had nothing to worry about, but this morning she found a note on her car that said, "We'll be back for you sweetheart." She called the PD again and they came and got the note.

I found out today she didn't leave the backdoor unlocked, but it was a faulty lock. I replaced it and did a full lockdown on the place to make sure it was as secure as possible.

What are your thoughts and opinions of the whole thing including the 1 hour respond time in Bartlesville less than a halfdozen blocks from the station?
 
Go buy her a gun, get her head screwed on straight, and get her shooting it.

Personally I'd covertly stay with her for the next few night's and hope they come back.
 
Personally I'd covertly stay with her for the next few night's and hope they come back.
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Personally I'd covertly stay with her for the next few night's and hope they DON'T come back ... but be prepared for if they do.



Get her a gun ... get her to the range ... remind her that according to the SCOTUS the police have ZERO obligation to protect her ... their job is to catch the guys after they brutalize her.
 
PD told her she had nothing to worry about, but this morning she found a note on her car that said, "We'll be back for you sweetheart."

She has no idea at all in any way or possible association of any type or guess who these people might be?:confused:
 
I agree with the "buy her a gun and take her to the range" posts. Personal protection is her responsibility and the police can't be there to babysit.

Police are not obligated to answer a 911 call and may have been on another call or between shifts.
 
She's shot my S&W Model 10. She really likes it and shoots it well. I didn't tell her, but I went to the local pawn shop and bought her a Model 10. Plan on putting a few hundred rounds downrange over the next few days with her.
 
This is why it is up to the individual to take responsibility for his/her own safety, and the police cannot be relied upon to do so. The police, in general, do the best that they can given resouces and demands. In my county, the Sheriff's Department has 7-10 deputies on the road at any given time for the entire county, excluding the incorporated villages and cities. Have them respond to a serious situation where multiple officers are needed, and you may wait 30+ minutes for a response, due to no other reason than having a deputy drive to your location.

Arm her. Teach her. Pray for her. Not necessarily in that order.
 
Are we to assume this is some random act and that in no way are the two door-bashers involved with this woman? She has no idea who they may be?

It seems a little anomalous that two complete strangers would attempt such a boisterous entry into someone's home (apparently not very stealthy), get scared away by a person(s) arrival on the scene, and then again risk their hide placing a note on her vehicle to tell her they would be back. This would make sense if they had some sort of score to settle which would lead me to believe they know her in some capacity.

If these were complete strangers they’d more than likely move on to the next victim as she proved to be (or appeared to be) too much trouble.

Not saying it’s impossible that two stranger nut jobs have become fixated with your lady friend. Just seems peculiar that they would not just move on to easier pickins.

Good luck. You’re on the right track getting her armed and trained.
 
She said she saw them earlier in the day hanging around in the neighborhood. She thought they might be part of the work crews that are remodeling the homes around there.
 
Please don't take this the wrong way, but a few things don't pass the smell test.

1. If a guy was already in an open door, how did her screaming buy her enough time to close and lock the door?

2. Kicking in doors isn't that hard, especially with a defective lock. If I was trying to kick in doors, I would probably give up in the time it takes to make three phone calls.

3. The whole leaving a note thing sounds funny.

In a way, I hope I'm right, because I think she's lying to you and was in no real danger. In another way I hope I'm wrong, which means she's telling the truth, but in possible danger. Either way, invite her to stay with you or your little sister's boyfriend for a while.

Ryan
 
Adding to Big R's analysis (and sniffing the air as well).

What did they want? Burglary? Rape? Robbery and Assault? It sounds like rape ... "We'll be back for you..." They knew she was home so burglary is not the motive.

Were these guys showing her their faces, or were they masked? She said she recognized them, so they had to be showing their faces...

She doesn't know them?

These are two very bold criminals...

I could be concerned for her life if the story pans out...

IMHO / YMMV / TWAGOS
 
Yeah, Im smelling flounder on this one too El44. Not to be nosey, but you mentioned this lady is an ex. Is there a chance she would fabricate something in hopes to get you to camp out at her place for a few days? Has she asked, or brought it up? It just strikes me as odd that a full grown man with every intention of entering a residence is overpowered at the door by a (can we assume?) petit woman. And the self written note is very peculiar. I wouldnt think thugs would walk around with a post-it pad and ball point pens in thier pockets. Did you see the note and look at the handwriting? I, as others, hope this is actually the case and that your lady friend isnt in any real danger.
 
Regardless of how anyone feels about the smell test on this one, get her armed and ready to defend herself in case these two scumbags come back. Sure, it sounds odd, almost like something out of a movie or TV show rather than something that really happened, but I have no reason to doubt it. Further, if it is BS, so be it. If it's not, and the people empowered to help her protect herself don't believe it and something happens....well, I know I couldn't live with myself.

I'm going to show this to my wife, who so desperately needs to learn now, but thinks she should wait till she's "ready". Maybe this will help her get ready.

Tom
 
A 100+ pound angry and hyper protective dog is a start. A 12 guage with 00 buck to the chest is a another acceptable response.

I do a lot of business travel, on the road quite a bit. My wife sleeps with a 9mm on the bedstand and a very paranoid cat that wakes up at the slightest noise. (I'd prefer a dog, but the cat works out well...).

a gun, time at the range, and awareness.

that, and the world needs a whole lot less ugly people out there...
 
This is considerably less strange than some of the stuff I've had happen to me in my lifetime. I'd believe it.
 
Am I the only one who thinks it's a bad idea for either of you to stay there waiting to see what happens?
 
One hour response time when there is a robbery in progress? Wow, that's very angering.

My advice: Call the local TV news outlets and let them know what happened. That'll fix the piss poor department in a hurry. LEOs hate the news media, and it's the best weapon to use when your civil servants are nowhere to be found.
 
They left a note on her car . . . ? ? ?

Really. They figured out which car she drives? Or does she live in a single family dwelling? Something is really, REALLY odd about this. I find it highly improbable, in fact nearly impossible, she's being truthful.

She does not know who these folks are? And that the local police are disinterested to the point of waiting an hour to arrive? Most young cops would be running every red light in town with the hope of being there in shining armor to chase away the dragons.

Once they discovered she was single, she'd have to beat back the volunteers offering to "drive by, just to make sure everything was OK."

Maybe I'm just jaded . . . .


But I got a VERY similar call from a girl back when I was single. The only thing bothering her was that she was randy . . . and very good at knowing how to manipulate men.
 
I think Big R and Bullfrog Ken are on the money. This story doesn't add up at all. None of it. I think your ex is feeding you a line of garbage.

I'd call bovine byproducts on her story if I were you. Tell her to get her new boyfriend to take care of her now, it's no longer your problem. If she doesn't have a new boyfriend, tell her to go find one. If she wants a gun, tell her to go buy one. If she wants to leave her place because she's scared, tell her the Holiday Inn has vacancies. You don't need these histrionics.
 
So if the lock was faulty, what kept them out of the house long enough for your sister's boyfriend to get there?

I can't imagine the cops in a small town in OK taking an hour to respond to a woman saying that two guys were breaking into her house.

You're right, there's a problem, but it's with her story, not with the police response time.

Ask yourself why she would do something like this and see where it gets you.
 
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Due respect for Leo's aside...

Police are not liable for your defense, whether they're a block away or ten miles away. The supreme court has ruled this way a number of times.

That said, that kind of response time is, in my humble, totally civilian perspective, absolutely unacceptable. It only proves an important point that is widely agreed upon in the self-defense world, and that is dependence on police is a mistake, no two ways about it. Assume they can't help you.

I would even take that a step further and say that police can't help you, ever, period. The supreme court says they don't have to.

But also, it wouldn't hurt to get involved with the PD on this. One hour response time is unacceptable, and I'd be willing to bet the Police Chief would say the same thing if you wrote a letter explaining the situation. Police are referred to as "civil servants," so give them your two cents on how they can serve you better.
 
The key here is old girlfriend

Leave it that way, maybe she is setting you up? Why did you seperate, figure you did what you could and "No Mas".

Check with the PD and find out the truth.
 
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