Creep on the Porch

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Mauserguy

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I have a lady friend, non-romantic, that needed some help hanging curtains. I went over there a week ago with my tools and we finished up sometime after dark. We decided to out to dinner, so she got her purse, and I put on my shoes. I unlocked the front door and pulled it open, and there was a man standing there in the dark.

She was shocked and called his name. I figured that he was a boyfriend, so I put my hand out to introduce myself. He shook my hand, and turned around and ran away.

As we walked out, she told me the story. She twice had dinner with this guy five months ago. Ever since then he has been showing up at all different hours of the night. He calls her and leaves weird messages. He is a black belt in the marshal arts, and teaches Karate part time at a local university. He's also an environmentalist (they're all nutcases and sex creeps).

Anyway, Sunday night, she was working at her computer, set up in her living room. The sun had just set, so she had not yet turned on the lights. The only light in the room was her monitor. Sitting there, she saw the shadow of a man approach her front door through her curtains. The man did not knock, or ring the door bell. She switched off the monitor and sat there afraid, in the dark. The guy, she could tell from the shadow in the curtains, tried to look in her windows.

After five minutes, she got up and quietly moved to the door and looked through the peep hole. It was the stalker guy again. She was afraid, so she sat down in front of the door, and nearly cried when she heard the guy try to open the door. The dead bolt stopped him.

This went on for about fifteen or twenty minutes, so she crept upstairs, careful to make no noise, and hid in her closet. She got on her cell phone and called her sister. Her sister told her to just ignore it. Her home phone then rang, but she did not dare pick it up. Thinking that it may have been me on the line, she called me and told me what was happening. I told her to call the police, but she did not want to, so I swung by with my spotlight and a baseball bat. The guy was gone by then, of course.

Since Sunday, the guy has left her a phone message, and this afternoon he sent her a nasty email. I know that she needs to get a restraining order against the guy, but she doesn't want to make things worse. As her friend, I can't sleep on her sofa every night, and she doesn't want to get the police involved. What should I do?
Mauserguy
 
"'she doesn't want to get the police involved '

Does she elaborate on why?"


Basically she is hoping the problem just goes away. At this point, I don't think it will.
Mauserguy
 
MauserGuy ~

Two excellent resources for you and her.

First, on the web. Marc MacYoung's site, www.nononsenseselfdefense.com. Marc has a great section on dealing with stalkers, and it is well worth nosing around that site for all the other great information there in any case.

Second, a book. Safety for Stalking Victims, written by Lyn Bates. Bates writes a very down-to-earth guide to dealing with stalkers.

And a note from personal experience: Don't wait to deal with it. Stalking almost always gets worse if ignored, and can escalate from scary to truly dangerous faster than you can imagine. It isn't something to deal with by wishful thinking; it will take a cool head and a committment to decisive action. The longer you put off dealing with it, the worse the situation becomes.

pax
 
she doesn't want to get the police involved
BRILLIANT!

she needs to call the cops.

i'd say she also needs a shotgun, but if she's going to sit behind the door and cry while someone attempts to open it illegally, that might not help her.
 
Pax, thanks for the links. I will check them out.

Pauli, I offered her to use my shotgun or one of my pistols, but she said that she was afraid that she might shoot it accidentally. I actually think that she may be right about that. If she gets scared, she could end up shooting the neighbor's cat.

I did get her several cans of peper spray, and had her try firing one. I had her practice drawing it and shooting it. Peperspray is good, but it just isn't good enough. I think that she needs to be more proactive, but she doesn't want to make waves.
Mauserguy
 
6 words:

"Restraining order".

"Get a big dog".

Seriously guy, this is how creepy ghoulish murders start. Don't shoot him though. You'll get in trouble.
 
Yeah, if this has been going on for 5 months and escalating, it's not just going away.

The obvious point to anybody hearing this is that this guy is certainly a threat to your friend's safety, but so is her mindset.

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I did get her several cans of peper spray, and had her try firing one. I had her practice drawing it and shooting it. Peperspray is good, but it just isn't good enough. I think that she needs to be more proactive, but she doesn't want to make waves.
Mauserguy

:confused: Why not make waves? The other guy sure as hell is. She needs to be willing to hit that oxygen theif with a bigger wave than he thinks he can make.

Hey, here's a suggestion we sometimes use here in the South- Guinea fowl. They run in flocks and if you turn 'em loose in a fenced yard, there's no way a predator will get in undetected. They'll probably wake up the neighbors too. When the Guineas turn on, the lights turn on. Miscreants will probably just opt to stay out of that yard in favor of not being detected.

BTW, my sister and brother-in-law had an unidentified visitor a few weeks back. I suggested Guineas. My annoying brother-in-law pooh-pooh'd that thought as if it were somehow inferior to AT&T when actually the reverse is true.
 
I agree with the restraining order and dog idea.
It might also help if she keeps an outdoor light on.
A motion light would be great.

I wouldnt wait for the worst case scinario to happen.
You will never forgive yourself for not doing more.
Please firmly insist as her friend that she let the police in on it.
At least have them drive by her house.
I dont know if you could call them and ask them for her,
but her and you both will have regrets if she gets hurt or even killed.
He is depending on her not to seek help and be weak.
He is preying on her.
He is wrong and knows it or he wouldnt have run away from you.
This is a very serious situation that cant be taken lightly.
There is still time to do something now.....
 
I just got off of the phone with her. She went shopping at Nordstrom's until they closed the store to avoid going home. This has gone too far. I think that she is starting to realize that something has to be done. I think that part of the reason that she doesn't want to make waves is that she is not a US citizen. In her home country the police are worse than the criminals. The motion sensor idea if very good. I may pick one up after work tomorrow.
Mauserguy
 
Oh yeah, she doesn't want a dog because of the mess. In her HOA, I am sure that fowl would not be allowed. That whole city is upety. The one good thing is that she lives only about a block from the city hall, and the area is crawling with police.
Mauserguy
 
Mauserguy let me prelude this reply by saying that I hate these types of threads...you know...trying to give advice by third party information but I'll give it a shot.

First off, you and she have to understand...THIS IS GOING TO GET WORSE. This individual may need psychological help...or a solid kick in the butt, sometimes it's both. Here is your to do list:

1.) Look up all the registered sex offenders in the area...is he one of them? A good start is the local PD website or the Dept. of Public safety.

2.) Convince her to get the police involved. I work in law enforcement and she WILL NOT be hassled for filing a police report EVEN IF SHE IS ILLEGAL...Savvy? You and she need to understand this. Every cop I know is instructed to make inroads in the community with regard to persons of questionable citizenship status....primarily because they are victimized so often. (I know this'll tick of a lot of immigration advocates...but that's the reality.)

3.) You need to be concerned about your safety. The guy may be a black belt and you may be an ex-greenberetcommandobadmofo type of dude...but he is obviously mentally unstable and you can be shot dead just as easily as him....so DO NOT go after the guy with a bat. Best case scenario...you fight...you win...you go to prison for aggravated assault. Worst case scenario...he wins. Either way it's ugly.

4.) If she does not call the cops...go over her head. Call the local P.D. and speak with a supervisor or someone of authority and give them a heads up. Actionable intelligence will at the very least be given in briefing and the cop assigned that beat may swing by a couple extra times that night. She probably won't even know that you gave the information to the cops....you can remain anonymous.

Okay what she needs to do....

1.) Call the cops and give them a heads up.

2.) Possibly get a restraining order...that is of course this guy is a sex offender in which case he very well may be violating parole/probation/etc.

3.) Quit messing around and hoping this will go away...I am sorry to say that more than one homicide could have been prevented at this stage....Don't let her become a stat.


If you need more advice PM me and I'll give you my number....then we can get to the brass tacks.
 
A lot of good advice here.

Really though. SHE REALLY NEEDS to call the cops, everytime this *&$$@ comes over. These incidences have got to get documented; if it were to ever be reviewed in a court of law, that question will get asked time and time again. No one will work well with her if she never call the cops, and it can be his word against hers, with nothing to back it up. The mere fact he tried to come in the door, well most cops will not like that. But if you don't help them, they won't help you - and if something happened and she had to meet him with violence, they will be asking - why didn't you report any of this before?

She is actually falling into the victim/hunted trap. The more she let's him get away with it without immediate strong resistance, the more he feels comfortable pushing further into this. Kind of like how a bully usually chooses to pick on those who don't fight back. This is headed in a bad, bad direction.

Now this one line "He's also an environmentalist (they're all nutcases and sex creeps)."

LOL. Man...
 
Her unwillingness to help herself is so much like a willingness to become a victim that there is no practicle difference. The only person that can truly cure her of this problem is herself. You can help, but she has to want that help.

Offer her what you can; help with the restraining order, accompanyment to the police station, assistance with the purchase/use/carry of a firearm and/or other defensive options. If she refuses, wash your hands of responsibility and pray to whatever God you prefer that it all works out.
 
Are you sure these incidents are actually occurring?

No offense, but some women can be very manipulative.
 
Mauserguy, you have a moral obligation to report what you know for her if she won't do it herself.

Call it snitching. Call it meddling. Call it whatever you will but can you live with the consequences if something does happen to her yet you had knowledge of the potential and did nothing?

Explain that to her and perhaps she will take the initiative to report it herself.

I just don't understand the idea of standing on the sidelines watching when you can be of help to a possibly intented victim.
 
Alex, he shook hands with the guy...

I know that she needs to get a restraining order against the guy, but she doesn't want to make things worse
Look, this woman needs to take her safety seriously or she will be raped or killed--maybe not by this guy but by somebody. A restraining order is fine and dandy for documentation but she cannot fen him off with it. Get her a shotgun and some training in using it and since she most likely cannot carry any firearm outside the home, take other proactive measures to ensure she knows how to deal with this dirtbag.

Greg
 
Your friend is an illegal alien? How "rare"! She's also a HUMAN, right? The police won't deport her for reporting a CRIME....and stalking happens to be what I consider a VERY serious crime!

From what you have described, the stalker is VERY bold, since he has stepped onto her porch and looked through her windows. Believe me, his actions will only ESCALATE, for he has gone past the "traditional" thing of sitting in his car while watching her residence.

If she won't contact the police, YOU should! If I were you, however, I would do everything I could to convince her that a documented police report should be made....and that all future incidents should be reported to the police.

Get her to explain the situation to her neighbors, for they might see the idiot when she isn't aware of his presence. Get her to invest a few bucks into exterior lighting, and make sure that the light fixtures are high enough, so that the idiot can't un-screw the bulbs. She might even do some thinking about getting a room-mate, for most stalkers prey upon females that live alone.

By the way, I have a similar situation going on in my neighborhood. The stalker dated a girl down the street a few times, but she dumped him when he became too possessive. He also beat her once, when she didn't want to go out with him, and a police report was made....plus a restraining order was issued. The idiot STILL comes by, though, but seems to be at the "traditional" level of merely sitting in his car, beyond the distance limitations on the restraining order. He has, however, gotten out of his car and walked past her residence several times. From what I understand, the idiot THINKS that he has some sort of terminal illness, so he doesn't CARE if he gets into a violent confrontation with the police. To me, that sounded like he has a "death wish"....and it may be just a matter of time before he takes someone else out, if they get in his way! So far, I've called the local police 4 times when I've seen him in his parked car, looking through binoculars. The police haven't been able to respond fast enough, and I think that the idiot KNOWS that he can only stick around for "X" amount of minutes.
 
I know that she needs to get a restraining order against the guy, but she doesn't want to make things worse

This slipped by me the first time i read it.

Let me tell you the thing with "making things worse". If a guy is gonna crack and go nuts on you, its just a matter of time. its either in him or it isnt. Recieving an order like this will cause him to either back off or bust loose at such a time that you will be ready for it. So you see, there isnt a down side to filing the order. The very worse that could happen is that he flies off the handle upon receipt of the order, but at least you will then be prepared. Thats a hell of a lot better than letting things stay as they are and having him go nuts three years from now after you have forgotten all about him.
 
I'd probably go a step further:

  1. Let the cops know. Something needs to be documented on paper.
  2. Start escorting her to and from her house until you come up with a better plan. If you can't, let her find some scary looking guy to help out.
  3. Fortify her house. Make sure doors and windows are hard to get into, preferably alarmed. He ran when he saw you -- hopefully he'll run if the alarm goes off.
  4. Buy the books mentioned for your friend, then teach her how to shoot. Really.
My fear is that in the end she's going to have to finish this or suffer grave consequences, so I'd focus on putting that day off as long as possible, and preparing for it.
 
Pretty scary stuff.

Does she have security lighting, or a good intrusion detection system. Outdoor flood lights connected to motion sensors are handy. Just so that if he comes back while she is sleeping it will wake her up.

I like the idea of a dog.

I don't know how it is over there, but here restaining orders are completly ineffective (the police have been saying this for years). But if they do one thing, they do supply the police with a little more information on a situation, so that if they are dispatched to a prowler/offender on premisis job, and they know that the complainant has a restraining order out on the offender, they will most likely treat in with a little more urgency (rather than deciding to take a cruise by after dinner).

Oh, and in these cases, he will only become more daring, constaintly taking it a little bit further each time, untill he just snaps. If his intentions are in fact of a sexual nature, it is quite likely tha her washing will go missing of the clothes line. etc.

Basically, if this has been continuing for 5 months, it is likely that the individual in question is not going to grow bored of this and dissapear. He sounds mentally ill, and will escalate the situation on each occasion. From the information offerered, this is quite serious, and it needs to made clear, to your friend that she is probably in alot danger.
 
Arch,

Over here they do a bit more: they create a paper trail, which will help out by establishing that this was an ongoing problem and that the woman involved had done everything she could to get the system to fix the problem before she blew the guy away one evening when he took it a little too far.
 
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