What’s your time on “CCW Draw”

[pairof44sp]

From first alarm, to lead on target, under realistic conditions of dress and posture, what is your draw time?

I know that the above definition of “CCW Draw” is a little skewed toward a Wild West gambling saloon conception of self-defense. But still, being the first guy to get the lead out is a big factor in who gets the gold, and who takes silver, in a hostile shooting match.

Now, my own personal time is under a couple layers of DoD classification, just to save me some embarrassment. I’m only permitted to reveal that it starts with the same numeral as my second-favorite caliber.

Also, that:

- OWB

- a short barrel revolver w a fixed rear sight

- with smooth panel grips

... gives me my best time and most consistent, flub-free grip and presentation.


But how about you all? What’s your realistic ccw draw time?

 

[WrongHanded]

The wizard drill is the drill I practice most. Both dry fire and live fire.

https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/ken-hackathorns-wizard-drill

On a good day it's somewhere between 2.0s and 2.5s and hits where I intend. I usually go over time on the second shot of the last stage, or I'm under time but miss.

This is typically with Glocks, OWB under a cover garment of some sort (it varies). I also practice it from a SafePacker, and barely make time if I don't fumble the draw.

Of course this is all based on me being mentally prepared to draw and shoot. And also providing I haven't been slacking on dry fire practice for too long (speaking of which... I gotta get on that).

ETA: I use an 8" target, with about a 4" circle inside. The 4" I count as head, and 8" as body.

 

[JR24]

From concealment, with my EDC IWB holster and whatnot I'm about 1.5-1.7 seconds on a 3x5" card at 7-10 yards.

Closer or just hitting 9" plate I'm usually right at 1.3 seconds.

Might be a smidge faster with a Glock but with a SAO 1911 or DA/SA 228/HK45c I'm pretty close those average numbers.

 

[Hangingrock]

To be bluntly honest I've never timed my draw presentation. Its easy to time it when you are prepared. Taken by surprise is a different story.

 

[RETG]

 

[shootbrownelk]

I usually can time mine with a calendar.

 

[mcb]

Never timed my CCW draw and that would vary alot depending on what I was carrying and how. I can get under 1.5 sec with my IDPA setup and I have managed a few sub 1-seond draws with my USPSA setups. My IDPA setup is basically my woods setup but I may or may not have a cover garment depending on the weather. Pocket carrying the old J-frame is more about surprise than speed...

 

[GBExpat]

I have never timed or trained for CCW QuickDraw.

 

[Pat Riot]

It’s a secret.

 

[JR24]

I have never timed or trained for CCW QuickDraw.

Never do drills from your CCW holster?

It's fun and smart phone timers are cheap or free and work reasonably.

 

[Rodfac]

It's been 5 yrs or so since I was out to Front Sight in NV for their 4-day Defensive Handgun Class...but as I recall, the qualifying time was 1.8 seconds at 5 yds & 2.1 seconds from 7, for the draw and two hits (called a "controlled pair" by FS...both shots are aimed) in the chest zone.

Of the 40 students in our class, all but one qualified. That's the 3 yd. firing line in the pic below. As you can see, it's a narrow silhouette with an even smaller half circle chest scoring area. The cranial scoring area is the size of a playing card. After the first morning's training, all firing is done from the leather & wearing concealing garment. I'm shooting a Sig 9mm M11A1 (P229) with a holster of my own design & make. Rod

 

[pairof44sp]

It’s a secret.

That bad, huh?

 

[pairof44sp]

It's been 5 yrs or so since I was out to Front Sight in NV for their 4-day Defensive Handgun Class...but as I recall, the qualifying time was 1.8 seconds at 5 yds & 2.1 seconds from 7, for the draw and two hits (called a "controlled pair" by FS...both shots are aimed) in the chest zone.

Of the 40 students in our class, all but one qualified. That's the 3 yd. firing line in the pic below. As you can see, it's a narrow silhouette with an even smaller half circle chest scoring area. The cranial scoring area is the size of a playing card. After the first morning's training, all firing is done from the leather & wearing concealing garment. I'm shooting a Sig 9mm M11A1 (P229) with a holster of my own design & make. Rod

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Good shooting.

 

[JR24]

To be bluntly honest I've never timed my draw presentation. Its easy to time it when you are prepared. Taken by surprise is a different story.

Good point, but I assume you practice it, yes?

Why not time it occasionally, get a baseline and see if you can't improve some of the fundimentals so if, God forbid, you get that surprise your hands work fast?

 

[Pat Riot]

That bad, huh?

It ain’t great...not bad either.

 

[RETG]

Never do drills from your CCW holster?

It's fun and smart phone timers are cheap or free and work reasonably.

Drills...YES. Time them...NO

Do you practice under all possible concealed conditions....summer to winter type clothes?

So, if you are really fast does that mean if you see someone shooting at someone, you are fast on the draw and can shoot that someone really fast? (Might want to know who is the person doing the shooting.) Does it mean since you are fast, if you are in a store and someone walks in and starts shooting, you can pull your weapon in lightening time and shoot that person? (Might want to determine who they are, and are they alone.)

Might want to know exactly what is going on before lightening draws and shooting.

So, is the fastest draw in town the one who will win?

And yes, where I used to work we did practice drills to pull a weapon but we were also taught how to assess the situation; not just draw.

 

[Rembrandt]

Slightly faster than Barney Fife....

 

[PzGren]

I draw from an IWB holster with the exact kind of shirt or T shirt covering the gun that I wear when I carry. I use a timer in dry fire and occasionally in live fire practice , shooting at paper plates at 7 to 12 yards. I do not practice these draws as much as I had when I lived in the Third World where I had to defend myself and my family. Lack of serious training and age have taken its toll but when I am at the gun range, I still draw my carry gun ( untimed ) and practice at least once a week but since the onset of the ammo crisis I shoot only one mag for that drill.

The reason why I have the 15 rd mag in the P365 is that I can get a much better grip on the gun and a more reliable follow up shot, as I found out with the timer - and the timer does not lie.

 

[Ru4real]

Our IDPA practice drill starting position:

Kneeling on both knees on the ground. Hands in the air above my head, hostage situation. IDPA Silhouette target 7 yards in front of me. Long sleeve shirt untucked. Gun holstered on the waistband under the shirt.

Shooter ready! BEEEP!

I average 1.4 seconds to draw and double tap two into the silhouette with no point deducts, from my knees.

A girl in my shooting group does the drill routinely in 3/4 of a second. So about twice as fast as me. Respect to Kira!

 

[JR24]

Drills...YES. Time them...NO

Do you practice under all possible concealed conditions....summer to winter type clothes?

So, if you are really fast does that mean if you see someone shooting at someone, you are fast on the draw and can shoot that someone really fast? (Might want to know who is the person doing the shooting.) Does it mean since you are fast, if you are in a store and someone walks in and starts shooting, you can pull your weapon in lightening time and shoot that person? (Might want to determine who they are, and are they alone.)

Might want to know exactly what is going on before lightening draws and shooting.

So, is the fastest draw in town the one who will win?

And yes, where I used to work we did practice drills to pull a weapon but we were also taught how to assess the situation; not just draw.

Couple thoughts, here but I don't feel like parsing out the various quotes this morning, so bear with me.

Of course I practice in all weather/garments, my range allows from the holster work (I'm usually there by myself anyway) and I shoot there year round, rain sun or snow. Sure a jacket slows folks down but there are options to mitigate it if you want to (I tend to wear my winter coat open with my weapon under a flannel, both for ease of draw and because I get hot easy and it takes a real cold day for me to get fully buttoned up).

So I have various drills I do, a phone app is free, and it's nice to get a baseline time, then see which fundimentals can be worked on to make the draw more efficient. I'm not speed freak, but I do believe it's useful to take any objective measurements you can in your training (and not just for shooting), record them, and see how you can improve on them. Your argument could easily be pushed into claiming you don't care where the shots land on the target as long as they hit a 12" circle. Sure that's probably OK, but why not try to narrow that down.

The other stuff, who's to say target ID and situational awareness aren't part of my philosophy and training? Why, if we hit the point where I've ID'd the danger correctly and my decision tree says it's draw and shoot or die, don't I want to have the fastest, smoothest first round on target possible?

Looking over various shootings, especially on things like ASP, bad guys seem to run once they are taking rounds, so in a shoot situation it is absolutely vital to be the first one on target, I can't understand a philosophy where that's not the case.

I'm not trying to brag to demean anyone but if folks are already practicing their draw and shooting, why not occasionally check the time and see if they can't improve it.

My phone based timer (Splits) is free and can be used for dry fire too, so all I was saying is it's another fun way to challenge yourself (not you specifically, the general you) to better your basic drawing skills by improving speed and efficiency.

 

[Kleanbore]

Drills...YES. Time them...NO

Do you practice under all possible concealed conditions....summer to winter type clothes?

So, if you are really fast does that mean if you see someone shooting at someone, you are fast on the draw and can shoot that someone really fast? (Might want to know who is the person doing the shooting.) Does it mean since you are fast, if you are in a store and someone walks in and starts shooting, you can pull your weapon in lightening time and shoot that person? (Might want to determine who they are, and are they alone.)

Might want to know exactly what is going on before lightening draws and shooting.

So, is the fastest draw in town the one who will win?

And yes, where I used to work we did practice drills to pull a weapon but we were also taught how to assess the situation; not just draw.

I don't understand how any of that is pertinent to the question.

 

[EMC45]

Not sure on my time. I practice drawing somewhat fast, but primarily safely. I clear clothing and present as fast as I can with safety (mine and others), the utmost concern. I don't run shot timers or IPSC beepers.

My theory on drawing to beat a gun is you're already too late. If someone's on top of you stabbing you with a screwdriver and THEN you're figuring out your draw, something's wrong. I know things happen and this world is way unpredictable, but I want all involved at an arms distance.

 

[gunlaw]

Not sure. Hopefully just a little faster than the bad guy.

 

[Garandimal]

G36/IWB/3:30 w/ cover garment.

One-hand (scoop) draw, followed by Three aimed rounds.

~ 2.5 seconds.




GR

 

[Garandimal]

Scoop Draw.

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Practice it.




GR