What are guns for?

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In another post, someone had an anti friend say "guns are just for killing."

I think that is entirely untrue. The fact is, only a small fraction of 1% of guns are used in any crime. And only a small percentage of those actually kill someone.

So what DO you use your guns for? Here's a list I've compiled. I don't do all these, but these are things I know people use their guns for.

What have I left off? What do you 'actually' use your guns for?

-Skeet
-Trap
-Sporting Clays
-Upland game
-Waterfowling
(and that's just shotguns)
-Cowboy Action Shooting
-IDPA
-IPSC
-CCW (which is defensive and in 90% of cases, a deterrent without a shot fired)
(and that's just handguns)
-Silhouette matches
-Benchresting
-3-Gun
-Plinking
-Varmiting
-Big-game hunting

And just general collecting.

What did I miss?
 
Two separate questions

1. What are guns for? Answer; To keep our gov't honest.
2. What do you use guns for?

For me;

Self defense
Hunting
Target & plinking (incl trap)
 
To stay closer to the anti's comment:

Seems to me, the first question in rejoinder is, "Are all killings bad?" That is, if some big guy is rushing at you with an upraised axe, screaming threats and cursing at YOU, are you gonna try to reason with him?

We used guns of all sizes and shapes to allow us to liberate places like Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen (and over 100 "work camps"); Santo Tomas and Cabanatuan. Was that bad?

Is it bad to do it yourself and kill your own meat? In such case, what's the difference between shooting a quail and pulling the head off a chicken?

And then you can get into such things as paper-punching and gong-clanging and claybirds, etc.

And for those who avoid rational thought via "but a Bad somebody might...", I can only suggest a national chastity-belt law. I'll find more credibilaity in an anti of the "If it will save just one life!" persuasion if he's also lobbying equally hard for a 25mph national speed limit.

Art
 
Guns are for freedom. I think one of America's first gun lovers puts it most eloquently:

From http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1500.htm#Arms

In a nation governed by the people themselves, the possession of arms to defend their nation against usurpers within and without was deemed absolutely necessary. This right is protected by the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. A gun was an everyday implement in early American society, and Jefferson recommended its use:

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion of your walks." --Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785

"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796.

"None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important." --Thomas Jefferson, 1803.
 
There are hundreds of purposes and uses for firearms, not just one

That's what I'm getting at. What do you ACTUALLY use your guns for. Cruflling is a great answer. Putting meat on the table is a great answer.

Do you use a gun to keep the starlings off the cherries? Keep the groundhogs under control? Just keep proficient with your CCW? (You should never own a tool without knowing how to use it.)

Are there other sporting purposes I missed? I know I missed CMP.
 
Sorry, but a gun's original primary purpose is to kill/wound a living thing. It launches a projectile designed to penetrate and/or destroy.

Don't go fooling yourself into thinking otherwise. We may USE them for other purposes listed... :D
 
None of my firearms are for killing people.

Some might be for killing animals/hunting.

Some of my firearms are for self-defense. That may result in someone being killed, but that's a byproduct of the criminal's decision. It is not my intent to kill anyone nor do I purchase firearms for the purpose of killing people.

Most of my firearms are for my entertainment. They won't ever be used in self-defense or for hunting.
 
"Metal and Wood"


by Dennis Bateman

http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/library/Metal_and_Wood.html



The following essay was originally published at www.TheFiringLine.com

It is a rare person who does not attach some sort of value or emotion to some physical object or to an event. A home becomes more than a building. A statue of the Virgin Mary, a crucifix, a flag or a song, or even a photograph can stir emotions greater than the value of the material item.

I have a piece of paper showing I served in the military until I was discharged honorably. But, oh, the memories that piece of paper conjures up. The friends, the fun times. The bad times. The times when we were bound closer to strangers than to our own families and, in frightening chaos, our lives hung by a thread.

Many of our friends died far from home. Ask us about the feeling of "American soil" upon returning to the land we loved. Ask those returning soldiers about America.

Remember the old, faintly humorous band of American Legionnaires, wearing out-dated military uniforms straining at the buttons. But, God how proudly they marched. Grinning, waving to friends and families, and always, always "The Flag!" Ask them if the flag is mere cloth, I dare you.

See the elderly lady sitting in a lawn chair watching the fourth of July parade. Three flags carefully folded some forty years ago into triangles now rest in her lap - one for each lost son. Ask her if those flags are mere cloth, I dare you.

Look at the old man quietly crying, leaning against the Iwo Jiima Memorial at Arlington Cemetery. As he turns to you, smiles with some embarrassment, and says in a choked whisper, "I was there." Ask him, "Is it just metal and clay?" Ask him. I dare you.

The Wall. My God, the Wall. See the young man lightly tracing the name of his father there inscribed. Ask him if its just rock. Ask him. I dare you.

My guns? They’re of little real value compared to my family and my home. They are toys, or tools, or both. But what those guns represent to me is greater than all of us, greater than myself, my family, indeed greater than our entire generation. What could be of such value?

The freedom of man to live within civil, self-imposed limitations rather than under restrictions placed upon him by a ruler or a ruling class.

Imagine the daring, the bravery of a few men to declare they intended to create a new country, independent of the burden of their established Rulers!

Those men we call our forefathers were brilliant men. They could have maneuvered themselves into positions of influence within the structure of the times, but they did not. They struggled to free themselves from tyranny. They wrote the Declaration of Independence. And they backed up their words and ideals with metal and wood.

They knew the dangers of such dreams and actions. They knew it was a frightening and dangerous venture into the unknown when they dared reach beyond their grasp for a vision - for an ideal. But they dared to dedicate themselves to achieve Liberty and Freedom for their children, and their children’s children, through the generations.

Imagine the dreams and yearnings of centuries finally being reduced to the written word. The Rights of "We the People!" instead of the "Powers of the Monarchy."

Our forefathers dared to create a new government - a new form of government. And they knew that any organization has, as its first and foremost goal, its continued existence. Second only to that it strives to increase its power. It plots, it devises, it maneuvers to achieve control over its environment - over its subjects.

Our Forefathers decided to make America different from any country, anywhere, at any time in the entire history of the entire world. This country, this new nation of immigrants, would be based upon the concept that people could rule themselves better than any single person or small group of persons could rule them.

Other countries have had outstanding documents with guarantees for its citizens - but the citizens have become enslaved. How, these great men pondered, can we ensure this new government will remain subject to the will of the People?

They wanted limits upon this new government. Therefore, our forefathers wrote limitations into the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. And one of those Rights was that metal and wood, as the final power of the people, would secure this country for the future generations.

Metal and wood were the means by which we won our freedom.

Metal and wood were the means by which we kept our freedom.

Metal and wood may be the means by which we regain our freedom.

Metal and wood are the final power of the people. Take away the metal and wood and the people become powerless - they can only beg, they supplicate for favors.

We are unique in our ability to rule ourselves but we are letting it slip away. Today we compromise. We try to appease man’s insatiable appetite for power by throwing him bits of our freedoms. But the insatiable appetite for power can not be appeased. The freedoms we feed him only make us weaker and him stronger. We must conquer him and again ensure the "Blessings of Liberty" won for us by our forefathers.

We must be ready to use metal and wood again, for if we are ready, truly ready, we may be able to conquer the monster with words - for in its heart it is a coward. But if we continue to feed the monster our freedoms, we will become too weak to win, to weak even to fight, and we will become a conquered people. We will have sold ourselves and our future generations into servitude.

If words fail us, we will use metal and wood, we will regain what we have lost, we will achieve what we seek, we will guarantee the America of our forefathers for the future generations.

So you see, our guns are more than metal and wood. They are our heritage of freedom. They are the universally understood symbol that the government, no matter how big and strong it may be, answers to us! They are the tools we will use to prevent tyranny in the land of our forefathers and our children. So, ask me what my guns mean to me. Ask my children what our guns mean to them. Ask us. I dare you.
 
First of all, I will never argue the point that guns were originally made for anything other than killing. That is a historical fact, they were made for war.

Then, I simply point out, as with most things, they can be used for much more than their original purpose. Rearview mirrors, for example, were designed for racing at Indy. Obviously, everyone that has rearview mirrors is not a race car driver. The Internet is another great example. It was originally designed by DARPA, for the military. Obviously, it has grown beyond its original use. Computers are the same way. Originally encoding machines around WWII, they have grown to much more than they once were.

Silly Putty, once again, was developed for the military. Not exactly being what they wanted in a rubber substitute, it became a toy. The Interstate system? Developed for the military, it is officially known as the 'Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways'.

I could continue to go on and on about what has evolved from its first use to other uses. Guns are simply one of many.
 
Guns -- and the 2nd Amendment -- are for:

1. Sporting purposes

2. Self Defense

3. Resistance to tyranny and abuse of power by oppressive leaders and
crooked politicians (fill-in whatever names come to mind here).

"When citizens fear their government, you have tyranny. When government fears its citizens you have freedom."
-- Thomas Jefferson

It's those last 2 items that the pacifist/nanny-state, politically-correct "zero tolerance" grass-eaters (mostly Dems, but a few urban-elitist RINOs) balk at.

Why?

Because, oohh, merthy goodneth:

1. "Someone might get hurt."

(Right! For Good Guys, that's the whole idea: the threat of counter-
vailing violence as an "equalizer" -- to avoid being a victim.)

2. "A culture of violence never solved anything."

(It didn't? What history books -- and crime reports -- have you been
readin'?)

3. "Why can't we all just get along, compromise, play nicey-nice, sing
Kumbaya, and turn our swords into plow-shears?


(Even though history reflects that those who DID turn-in their swords
inevitably wind-up plowing for those who DIDN"T. See "Euro-Sheeple".)

And that's the whole idea with guns:

They're for those who woke up from their day-dreams, smelled the coffee, focused on the harsh lessons of history... and the realities of the present.
 
protecting life

my gun is my right to life. My right to protect my life and others.
 
(Chris in VA Wrote "Sorry, but a gun's original primary purpose is to kill/wound a living thing. It launches a projectile designed to penetrate and/or destroy.")

I disagree with a portion of this statment.

A gun is designed to safely fire an explosive charge behind a projectile of a certain weight and shape, causing the said projectile to move down the barrel. The destination of the said projectile is responsibility of the operator and not the design or designed into the gun. A gun is an mechanical device, a tool. Misuse a tool and someone could get hirt.

Keep in mind that people pulling the triger kill people. The gun itself can not shoot the projectile. An outside force (human) must be used to cause the gun to fire. Granted I may be splitting hairs, however there are many persons that are so terrified at just seeing a gun, because they believe that it will jump up and kill them. This is an irrational fear shared by alot of "Gun Hating" persons. :banghead:

How about a device that is uses a fuel to create explosions to hurl its mass in a predetermined direction? The mass of this device is such that any living thing that is in its path will be damaged or killed. Was this device designed to kill? Everyone on this board is in contact with this device everyday. This device is an automobile. Can an automobile be use to kill? Yes, but it would be the operator or lack of a qualified operator controling the auto that would be at fault. Now since an auto can kill, are all vehicles bad? :confused:

Now a bullet on the other hand..... Is it designed to kill? :evil:
 
Well, Remington Golden Sabers sure as hell are.

Wadcutters, OTOH, are designed for poking neat holes in paper. The fact that they will inflict injuries is entirely secondary for most.
 
Without rationalization, guns were invented and designed to kill. Killing isn't necessarily a bad thing, and there are some other uses for guns, but these are secondary considerations.
 
Bottle/can opener
Turning off TV, radio, computer, and virtually any other appliance
Turning off lights
back scratcher

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Maybe I'll come up with some more later.
 
Bottle/can opener
Turning off TV, radio, computer, and virtually any other appliance
Turning off lights

You got those from the simpsons ;)

My friend that shot my sks was a little reluctent to shoot my sks when I got it. I shot it first and then handed it to him and showed him how to turn off the safty and loaded a round for him. I let him cycle the action as that is one of the funner parts of using a gun. He shot of a round, fliped the safty on, and had a nice grin on his face. Wish we could have shot more that day.

My wife hates guns but wants to shoot the pa-63 I just got. I warned her it had a worse kick than the sks but she likes it because its more her size. I'v not shot this yet but I will make sure I do before I let her give it a try.
 
How about this one?

What exactly was this one made to kill?

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In most cases, it would be easier to kill someone with a chef's knife or a basesball bat than with that pistol, wouldn't it?

I just use my firearms for recreation and self-defense like I'm sure the vast majority of other gun owners do. I don't hunt but I might in the near future, since I have several friends and family members who do.

Rick
 

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