What causes stove pipes? Specifically - LCP

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George P said:
Good quality - not according to all of their recalls
Well engineered? Not hardly
Rugged designs means they have to make the cast guns heavier, bulkier and more unwieldy to handle the same ammo



This statement of yours defeats the well engineered and rugged designs aspects of your post

Sorry, I have Rugers, have had a few others; decent, maybe but not God-like according to the fan boys
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Your abject hatred - blinds you. (or at least greatly interferes with your reading comprehension)

:D




GR
 
Blkhrt13 said:
I have heard of people intentionally Locking the slide back for 12-24 hours to help break in a stiff recoil spring. I don’t know if that’s the deal. But it seems a possibility. I’m not an Lcp owner so I don’t know if you can do that.
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New Springs - have an initial set.

That is a good general practice to get then to design tolerances.




GR
 
Blkhrt13 said:
I have heard of people intentionally Locking the slide back for 12-24 hours to help break in a stiff recoil spring. I don’t know if that’s the deal. But it seems a possibility. I’m not an Lcp owner so I don’t know if you can do that.
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Springs do not soften or get weaker by keeping them compressed. Springs get "broken in" or weaken from "work", which is compression/decompression over and over again
 
Garandimal said:
Your abject hatred - blinds you. (or at least greatly interferes with your reading comprehension)

:D




GR
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Not me, I owned a Security Six (stolen), still have a 10/22. MKII, sold an No.1 RSI in 243 (should have kept that one), but I'll take a S&W revolver any day over any GP......:thumbup::p
 
Garandimal said:
Initial set - educate yourself.
(or not)




GR
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Quite educated, thanks anyway. Springs can be left compressed for a long time without issue - whether initial or not. Work the spring, whether recoil or mag, and go from there.
 
tarosean said:
Sure I am.. produce more than anyone and bank on the vast majority of gun owners who shoot less than a box of ammo. Warranty the rest..

(Yes I own a few Ruger revolvers and rifles)
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Have you ever had to send one in more than once?

Have a Single-Six that came out w/ a cylinder timing issue - got it back w/ a polished trigger job, Gratis.

Had a Hawkeye African come out with an ejector issue - came back with a new bolt and tunes ejector, Gratis.

They both function flawlessly and shoot tight.


You can pay for perfection, I did w/ a Winchester M70.

But it is generally off the Every Man's firearm chart.

The results are the same.




GR
 
Wait a second - one can't be bragging about Ruger quality in engineering and manufacturing and then state this - can't have it both ways..............:cool:
 
George P said:
Wait a second - one can't be bragging about Ruger quality in engineering and manufacturing and then state this - can't have it both ways..............:cool:
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If you aren't going to read and understand it - it will never make sense to you.

Ruger - saves money on fitting and assembly.

Most go together fine - a few don't.

If you use highly trained and skilled technicians to assemble the vast majority of correct firearms - that cost is passed on to the consumer With No Added Value.

If - the highly trained and skilled technicians Only See the Ones that Need their attention? Ruger eats the shipping and minimal added expense.

The results are the same.




GR
 
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George P said:
Quite educated, thanks anyway. Springs can be left compressed for a long time without issue - whether initial or not. Work the spring, whether recoil or mag, and go from there.
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They did studies with Air Rifle Springs. Will not make this long, but the longer a Spring Air Rifle was cocked and spring compressed the more FPS it would lose over time. And it was substantial. Yes, the Gun may still function, but at a great cost to strength.I will not leave my Magazines loaded. Each to his own.
 
murf said:
the sprue on the extractor is probably hanging up the cases

educate yourself: http://springipedia.com/compression-stress-spring.asp

murf
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Compression Spring Set

When a custom spring is supplied longer than specified to compensate for length loss when fully compressed in assembly by customer, this is referred to as “Allow for Set”. This is usually recommended for large quantity orders to reduce cost. When a compression spring is compressed and released, it is supposed to return to its original height and, on further compressions, the load at any given point should remain constant at least within the load limits specified. When a spring is made and then compressed the first time, if the stress in the wire is high enough at the point the spring is compressed to, the spring will not return to its original height (i.e., it will get shorter). This is referred to as "taking a set", or "setting". Once the spring is compressed the first time and takes this set, the spring will generally not take any significant additional set on subsequent compressions.


Thank you.




GR
 
Jeb Stuart said:
They did studies with Air Rifle Springs. Will not make this long, but the longer a Spring Air Rifle was cocked and spring compressed the more FPS it would lose over time. And it was substantial. Yes, the Gun may still function, but at a great cost to strength.I will not leave my Magazines loaded. Each to his own.
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That's because there is an air piston applying tremendous force. We have all seen/read the stories of someone finding grandpa's WWII 1911 in a drawer that hadn't been fired inn decades and how it performed perfectly.
 
George P said:
That's because there is an air piston applying tremendous force. We have all seen/read the stories of someone finding grandpa's WWII 1911 in a drawer that hadn't been fired inn decades and how it performed perfectly.
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No, the spring is "COMPRESSED" and a sear releases it. Take down a spring air rifle with a Spring compressor and you can see how it works.

How do you know Granpa's gun worked perfectly? For how long? I have heard stories like this on the internet but never any studies or proof. You say "Applying tremendous force? Don't you think compressing a spring down in a magazine with lead is a tremendous force? Just like the test done with the compressed air rifle spring, there is no difference. Same principal applies.

Regardless, this is a old internet debate that never seems to end. Please, you load down your magazines and leave them loaded. I will empty mine. Makes life simple. Thanks for posting.

Comparing nitro pistol to Spring piston.

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AK103K said:
I tried to duplicate what he was doing, using a Glock 17, and was unable to do so, as long as I held the gun in a normal manner, even with no grip at all, just letting it sit in my hand while I shot. I fired four full mags (68 rounds) that way and not one stoppage
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Really? On que I can do it to most of my glocks.. Exception being the ones I used for competition (35/34) because they are purposely undersprung to shoot flatter.

Stock Glocks are way over sprung IMO.
 
tarosean said:
Really? On que I can do it to most of my glocks.. Exception being the ones I used for competition (35/34) because they are purposely undersprung to shoot flatter.

Stock Glocks are way over sprung IMO.
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Really. :thumbup:

As long as my arm is behind the gun, even with no grip at all, just the gun sitting on the web of my hand, and resting the trigger guard on my middle finger, with the only thing keeping the gun from leaving my hand being my trigger finger, the gun shoots every time.

Hold it sideways, like he does in the video, and move that arm offline, and from behind the gun, and you will start to have problems.

As I said earlier, I did that with four full 17 mags, and not one stoppage. Even when shot sideways, I didnt have near the trouble he was having.

Now, if I allow my arm to move rearward with the gun under recoil, it happens more regularly. But by doing that, youre taking, youre taking the energy needed for the gun to function away, or at least reducing it, and not allowing the gun to function properly. When you do that, its usually the same problem for any of them, not just the Glocks.

Not sure about them being oversprung, but all my Glocks have stock RSA's in them, and stock everything actually (all I add are night sights, and maybe stipple the grip on some), and Ive never had any issues with them, or problems shooting them.
 
George P said:
Nice insult. Have a nice day in your own little mind; I'm done with this one.
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yes, garandimal is not high road, that is obvious. but, I just disregard posts like that without backup/references, or ask the poster to supply backup/references. either they can back up their assertions, or they can't. posters that make personal attacks usually cannot back up their posts. I was just giving a little help here.

I happen to disagree with garandimal on this point, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. still a good thread, imo.

murf
 
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