What do you think is the most over-rated firearm?
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1911 - a lot of models of 1911s are overrated, especially the ones that are well into 4 digit prices.
SKS - its hard to overrate a $150 SA rifle that is delivered to your front door and shoots ever time you pull the trigger. What do you want for $150.
870 - another gun that is hard to complain about. Relatively inexpensive, reliable, and versatile. Its a gun you can shoot competitively in any of the shotgun sports, hunt waterfowl, turkeys, deer, and defend your life when you are home. You can run 100,000 rounds through it, and it will still work (maybe with a few cheap parts replaced). parts are readily available, as are hundreds of accessories.
SKS - its hard to overrate a $150 SA rifle that is delivered to your front door and shoots ever time you pull the trigger. What do you want for $150.
870 - another gun that is hard to complain about. Relatively inexpensive, reliable, and versatile. Its a gun you can shoot competitively in any of the shotgun sports, hunt waterfowl, turkeys, deer, and defend your life when you are home. You can run 100,000 rounds through it, and it will still work (maybe with a few cheap parts replaced). parts are readily available, as are hundreds of accessories.
Big Boomer
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I have to add in here to I have a hard time with the SKS being overrated. They're cheap, or were...typically more accurate than an AK, built pretty darn well I must add. I bought mine for $125 (Norinco)
They were made how many years ago?? They are not "marketed" these are C&R weapons, not new production, you can't fault the manufacturer, it was how many decades ago?
I've only heard they are sturdy weapons, will little problems, and cheap. I've never really seen any ga-ga over them, now AK's on the other hand...well, you know.
Yes they are heavy, but wasn't every military firearm back then? Low capacity, yes from the factory. But if you add this one to the list then you might as well throw in the Garand, and that just ain't right.
The 7.62x39 is definitely not a "powerful" round by any means unless you compare it to a .223. Personally I would rather have the Garand.
They were made how many years ago?? They are not "marketed" these are C&R weapons, not new production, you can't fault the manufacturer, it was how many decades ago?
I've only heard they are sturdy weapons, will little problems, and cheap. I've never really seen any ga-ga over them, now AK's on the other hand...well, you know.
Yes they are heavy, but wasn't every military firearm back then? Low capacity, yes from the factory. But if you add this one to the list then you might as well throw in the Garand, and that just ain't right.
The 7.62x39 is definitely not a "powerful" round by any means unless you compare it to a .223. Personally I would rather have the Garand.
I've got a Glock 19 and I like it. I've got two Colt .45 1911s and I like them. I've got two Win 94s and I like 'em. Gotta CZ 75, I like it.
I bought a Python and I wasn't impressed. I mean, it was OK but for the money I don't understand it. It's a clunky , heavy revolver. Period.
It's a work of art, very pretty but I don't think it deserves the hype.
Anyway, I sold it.
Over-hyped doesn't necessarily mean they are junk, just well, over-hyped.
I bought a Python and I wasn't impressed. I mean, it was OK but for the money I don't understand it. It's a clunky , heavy revolver. Period.
It's a work of art, very pretty but I don't think it deserves the hype.
Anyway, I sold it.
Over-hyped doesn't necessarily mean they are junk, just well, over-hyped.
armoredman
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The SKS was semi-outdated when it was first used in 1945, as the StG44 was the first true "assault rifle", and the M1-Garand semi-auto battle rifle already in service for some time. The SKS was designed to be a reliable and peasant proof rifle that is cheap and easily mass produced. It suceeds wildly as a second line rifle made for illiterate troopies who have never fired a rifle in thier lives, and a primary arm for guerrillas and partisan troops.
Good truck gun, too.
Good truck gun, too.
diesel83
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1911 action
If John Browning himself, fixed the 1911 action in the Browning Hi-Power, why do we continue to imitate the 1911. Here's where the rub is. I do not think that the Double-Action is the thing that's great about the Hi-Power. In fact my argument isn't about DA vs. DAO vs. SA. It's about the slide and the recoil spring assembly. Do an exploded parts view, compare the two guns, and you'll see my point. The original 1911 design is a mess. Way too many parts. The Glock .45's strip down real easy. When you look at the new H & K USP's etc., I wonder why anyone what's an expensive 1911 .45. SIG .45's are so smooth. Those are the guns to imitate.
If John Browning himself, fixed the 1911 action in the Browning Hi-Power, why do we continue to imitate the 1911. Here's where the rub is. I do not think that the Double-Action is the thing that's great about the Hi-Power. In fact my argument isn't about DA vs. DAO vs. SA. It's about the slide and the recoil spring assembly. Do an exploded parts view, compare the two guns, and you'll see my point. The original 1911 design is a mess. Way too many parts. The Glock .45's strip down real easy. When you look at the new H & K USP's etc., I wonder why anyone what's an expensive 1911 .45. SIG .45's are so smooth. Those are the guns to imitate.
fearless leader
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H&K and AKs
I have never once had a problem with my "Combat Tupperware" (Glocks).
I have never once had a problem with my "Combat Tupperware" (Glocks).
Fumbler
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My pick would be the Remington 700.
Remington has built a huge following based on good ole boys who really don't know squat about firearms.
Don't get me wrong, the Rem 700 is a great rifle. It's just not as great as many people think. There are many other fine choices in rifles.
If you want to build a custom rifle then you get a Remington 700. Why? Not because it's really that much better of a platform, it's just that fact that it's so popular that the aftermarket has built up for it.
Remington has built a huge following based on good ole boys who really don't know squat about firearms.
Don't get me wrong, the Rem 700 is a great rifle. It's just not as great as many people think. There are many other fine choices in rifles.
If you want to build a custom rifle then you get a Remington 700. Why? Not because it's really that much better of a platform, it's just that fact that it's so popular that the aftermarket has built up for it.
Joe Demko
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Every gun except the Webley-Vickers 50.80 is overrated.
nobius
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Anything made by H&K
XDKingslayer
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Anything made by Glock, H&K or Sig and any 1911 priced over $700.
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I agree with a lot of others here--H&K, the Remington 870, Glocks, 1911s, etc. are overrated by some people.
Especially the $800-$1000 1911s.
The Remington 870 is a good weapon, I suppose. But sometimes you have to move with the times, and IMO, the Saiga is a better self-defense weapon.
I don't see the fuss over the Garand. I want a larger magazine on a semiauto rifle, unless I was using it for precision shooting purposes.
Especially the $800-$1000 1911s.
The Remington 870 is a good weapon, I suppose. But sometimes you have to move with the times, and IMO, the Saiga is a better self-defense weapon.
I don't see the fuss over the Garand. I want a larger magazine on a semiauto rifle, unless I was using it for precision shooting purposes.
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"I do not think that the Double-Action is the thing that's great about the Hi-Power."
That's a good thing since the BHP is a SINGLE ACTION!
That's a good thing since the BHP is a SINGLE ACTION!
diesel83
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1911 action
Got caught on this one. DOH! Browning BDA is DA, Hi-Power is SA. Obviously, been a while since I worked in a gun shop. Nonetheless, still think the 1911 is a RELIC.
Got caught on this one. DOH! Browning BDA is DA, Hi-Power is SA. Obviously, been a while since I worked in a gun shop. Nonetheless, still think the 1911 is a RELIC.
diesel83
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I would also offer up that the accuracy and cycle rate of an HK MP-5 are incredible. How anyone would knock that gun I don't know. Maybe it's the hammer drop on the empty chamber with the closed bolt...
pinetree64
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Other Keltec. I have one. I carry but it has had internal parts break rendering it useless. I am trying to step up to my snubby 38.
If I had to pick one on the list, then it would be the 870. I see no reason to own a pump. I have and OU and a semi and hunt with both.
I own and love 1911's, by far my favorite guns to shoot. I have roughly a dozen pistols and I shoot my two 1911s the best and quickest with quality placement.
For those picking on an SKS, I have to disagree. I bought the 59/66 (I think) and it is awesome. It is in excellent condition and was $179. It is more accurate than my Inland M1 with a pretty stout little round. I had an AK, and it was neat but not a shooter. I hated the stamped steel and shart edges. The SKS is milled and a fine firearm. I'm headed to the range with 3 of my C&R's tomorrow the SKS, the M1 carbine and an M48 Mauser.
If I had to pick one on the list, then it would be the 870. I see no reason to own a pump. I have and OU and a semi and hunt with both.
I own and love 1911's, by far my favorite guns to shoot. I have roughly a dozen pistols and I shoot my two 1911s the best and quickest with quality placement.
For those picking on an SKS, I have to disagree. I bought the 59/66 (I think) and it is awesome. It is in excellent condition and was $179. It is more accurate than my Inland M1 with a pretty stout little round. I had an AK, and it was neat but not a shooter. I hated the stamped steel and shart edges. The SKS is milled and a fine firearm. I'm headed to the range with 3 of my C&R's tomorrow the SKS, the M1 carbine and an M48 Mauser.
Anything Remington especially the 700. The action looks like a piece of polished sewer pipe the stock lines of the BDL with the bowling pin finish is the firearms equivalent of an Edsel. Could Remington make these things any cheaper and charge more? Its the bolt action equivalent of a WASR without the low price. The confusing array of calibers with screwy names like ULTRA MAG. Remington never had a 300 mag so why not just call it 300 REM Mag. when they have a good caliber like the 280 and 6mm the fail to promote it properly, re name it about 3 times so every one gets confused. Unfortunately the wrong company went out of business.
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Harleys
never_retreat
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glocks
bluestarlizzard
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deagle. a 1911 worth more then your car (with the exception of those with historical value). walther p99.
LawBot5000
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1911, because you get very little gun for the money. The 1911 was designed in an age when labor was cheap and unless you can get yours put together by a decent gunsmith, it's going to have reliability or accuracy problems. Modern designs offer all the same features at a cheaper price. The 1911 is a good gun and a very historically significant one, but it doesn't deserve even a 10th of it's near godlike reputation amongst gun people.
Second most overrated is H&K anything, especially the USP. Cracked slides, meh fit and finish, huge price- I'll pass. The G36 is basically an overpriced AK-47. The MP5 is an overpriced Uzi. Again, these are all decent guns, but not good in any relation to their cost or their reputation as ultimate killing weapons. Oh yeah, don't get me started on the HK-416 "The same thing Oly Arms has been doing for 15 years, only twice as expensive! And you can't have one if you're a civilian because you suck!" And the fanboys love them for this!
I guess the number three slot has to go to Glock. They are a decent gun IMO, but they deserve the number three slot because of how mind blowingly awesome people think they are and because of how I am biased towards DAO and DA/SA pistols. It is actually a good gun IMO. I keep meaning to pick up a used one.
I think number 4 goes to the M1 Garand. Hahaha, bet that pissed you off. But seriously, it doesn't deserve the label "finest battle implement ever devised"- please, give me a break. It is an overly powerful, hacked together design with way too little magazine capacity. At the very best is represents a springfield on steroids rather than a real advance in firearms technology. I love the M21 and FAL though, but they get way less attention despite being the guns that the Garand should have been.
I don't think that the AR/AK/SKS are overrated because their faults are all well known and commonly decried far in excess of their merits. The truth is that they are all very good weapon systems for the money (yeah ARs cost more, but you only have to buy a lower once).
The deagle isn't overrated because everyone knows they suck.
Most underrated gun is the Saiga-12 because almost no one knows they even exist. These are the same people that fap uncontrollably at the mere mention of the AA-12.
Second most overrated is H&K anything, especially the USP. Cracked slides, meh fit and finish, huge price- I'll pass. The G36 is basically an overpriced AK-47. The MP5 is an overpriced Uzi. Again, these are all decent guns, but not good in any relation to their cost or their reputation as ultimate killing weapons. Oh yeah, don't get me started on the HK-416 "The same thing Oly Arms has been doing for 15 years, only twice as expensive! And you can't have one if you're a civilian because you suck!" And the fanboys love them for this!
I guess the number three slot has to go to Glock. They are a decent gun IMO, but they deserve the number three slot because of how mind blowingly awesome people think they are and because of how I am biased towards DAO and DA/SA pistols. It is actually a good gun IMO. I keep meaning to pick up a used one.
I think number 4 goes to the M1 Garand. Hahaha, bet that pissed you off. But seriously, it doesn't deserve the label "finest battle implement ever devised"- please, give me a break. It is an overly powerful, hacked together design with way too little magazine capacity. At the very best is represents a springfield on steroids rather than a real advance in firearms technology. I love the M21 and FAL though, but they get way less attention despite being the guns that the Garand should have been.
I don't think that the AR/AK/SKS are overrated because their faults are all well known and commonly decried far in excess of their merits. The truth is that they are all very good weapon systems for the money (yeah ARs cost more, but you only have to buy a lower once).
The deagle isn't overrated because everyone knows they suck.
Most underrated gun is the Saiga-12 because almost no one knows they even exist. These are the same people that fap uncontrollably at the mere mention of the AA-12.
ProTourAero
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I tried to type Glock into the line next to #4 other, before reading all the posts below the survey.
Wouldn't work.
Wouldn't work.
Detritus
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Desert Eagle wins b/c it has absolutely no purpose other than "look at how big MY gun is".
though Glock comes in close behind in my own mind. most of it's reputation is b/c, like others have said "it's used by such and such or so many LE agencies". So what the decisions of a PD, tend NOT to be based on "what's best" but more on "what's cheapest (therefore fastest approved by those funding them) and easiest" and in that order of importance.
though Glock comes in close behind in my own mind. most of it's reputation is b/c, like others have said "it's used by such and such or so many LE agencies". So what the decisions of a PD, tend NOT to be based on "what's best" but more on "what's cheapest (therefore fastest approved by those funding them) and easiest" and in that order of importance.
ReadyontheRight
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Glock. A fine handgun, but not the be-all, end-all so many folks make it out to be.
It's a great defensive firearm. And a breakthrough design. But a Glock is not the solution for all handgun opportunities.
It's a great defensive firearm. And a breakthrough design. But a Glock is not the solution for all handgun opportunities.
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