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Is this Sig 239 a 9mm?
What is a good car gun either a compact one or full size model??
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The Russian gun is lower in cost.
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What's the difference between the Makarov and the Tokarev?
Cheap .38 revolver better than both?
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Here's one obvious difference:
You're welcome to look up the ballistic spec's.
Inexpensive .38 revolver will work, too.
I'd go with whatever I could shoot more accurately while under stress.
You're welcome to look up the ballistic spec's.
Inexpensive .38 revolver will work, too.
I'd go with whatever I could shoot more accurately while under stress.
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I have an old Ruger P85 that i picked up for $200 that i keep loaded in the car with +P 9mm. I've been meaning to reasearch if it can handle +P+. It was selected for car duty because of the price primarily. Regardless i usually have my HK P2000sk on my hip in .357 sig.
TX state highway patrol switched to .357 sig allegedly for enhanced vehicle penetration.
A good option would be an old LE trade in .357 magnum revolver although I prefer higher capacity.
TX state highway patrol switched to .357 sig allegedly for enhanced vehicle penetration.
A good option would be an old LE trade in .357 magnum revolver although I prefer higher capacity.
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P85 also works well as a glass breaker. 
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Is that neck down casing a tokarev? The other looks like a .380.Here's one obvious difference:
You're welcome to look up the ballistic spec's.
Inexpensive .38 revolver will work, too.
I'd go with whatever I could shoot more accurately while under stress.
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Assuming you're a CCW.
Why would you want to carry a gun in your vehicle that's not more effective than what you have on your person?
Put a rifle or shotgun in your car.
Why would you want to carry a gun in your vehicle that's not more effective than what you have on your person?
Put a rifle or shotgun in your car.
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A larger handgun with longer barrel and higher capacity is more effective than what most are able to reasonably carried concealed. There aren't really many practical situations when one will have ability to retreive a long arm in sufficient time from a vehicle since the better decision would generally be just to drive away. A pistol on the other hand can be easily retrieved and used from inside the vehicle in case of a car jacking type attack. And in the extremely unlikely situation that one had a valid need to drive and return fire a pistol is the only practical option. Even if you could handle a rilfe or shotgun from inside your car you'd sure as hell not want to fire it.
The makarov is 9x18 .380 is 9x17 and 9mm 9x19.
The tokarev(on the right) is a devastating round magsafe used to have a hot round running 2100fps(I think 85gr). Average milsurp is running around 1700fps.
A common defense load would be 100gr XTP's @ 1500fps.
If I were in the market it would be a good choice as you could just shoot through the door.
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Magsafe is a fragmentation round. .380 is 9mm short Kurtz. Buffalo Bore is another brand of devasting ammo but it kicks like hell.
.380 goes by many names(.380 Auto, 9mm Browning, 9mm Corto, 9mm Kurz, 9mm Short) but the dimensions are 9x17 which IMO gives a good comparison to 9x18 makarov(one you asked about) and 9x19 9mm luger/nato.
And you are right about magsafe I looked it up and its a 52gr bullet moving at 2120fps.
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What's the latest info on these magsafe rounds? Before they used to be the most devistating ammo around now they seem to have taken a back seat to other ammo. Not the latest and greatest thing around.
I shot a .25 ACP fmj and Magsafe round into a 2 X 4 and the Magsafe did alot more damage in this mouse caliber.
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I carry a G29 or 27 in a Milt Sparks VM2, identical rigs, different calibres, one 10mm one .40. I wear it on my hip, kind of 4 o'clock. I can reach it with the seat belt on.
I just use what I have on me, my carry rig. I also have a 340PD and a Blade Tech holster I plan on chopping (the holster, not the revolver). Hopefully it won't dig into my leg, and I can wear it cross draw. It'd be nice to have something light and alternative, but it would also be perfect for in a vehicle.
Whatever you fire inside that small of a space, I hope you have a window down, even if you do it will be bad but if you don't, you have no idea how bad the whole deaf for a week, ears ringing for a month, and pain for a few days from firing in close quarters without ear pro can be. It is bad, bad.
Chances of doing it or needing to do it are so slim as not to worry about it. Having a good carry rig, knowing how to use it, and wearing it are much more important.
And if you are truly worried about penetration or whatever, keep a spare mag of FMJ for your carry piece. So for a G29, get a 15rd. G20 mag full of 180 or 200gr. FMJ to keep in the truck, this is the best advice. Then you have TONS of penetration, but only have to carry one piece, the G29, loaded with whatever hollowpoint you prefer, and you have nothing of value or danger to be stolen left in the vehicle.
I just use what I have on me, my carry rig. I also have a 340PD and a Blade Tech holster I plan on chopping (the holster, not the revolver). Hopefully it won't dig into my leg, and I can wear it cross draw. It'd be nice to have something light and alternative, but it would also be perfect for in a vehicle.
Whatever you fire inside that small of a space, I hope you have a window down, even if you do it will be bad but if you don't, you have no idea how bad the whole deaf for a week, ears ringing for a month, and pain for a few days from firing in close quarters without ear pro can be. It is bad, bad.
Chances of doing it or needing to do it are so slim as not to worry about it. Having a good carry rig, knowing how to use it, and wearing it are much more important.
And if you are truly worried about penetration or whatever, keep a spare mag of FMJ for your carry piece. So for a G29, get a 15rd. G20 mag full of 180 or 200gr. FMJ to keep in the truck, this is the best advice. Then you have TONS of penetration, but only have to carry one piece, the G29, loaded with whatever hollowpoint you prefer, and you have nothing of value or danger to be stolen left in the vehicle.
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Okay.... everyone is talking about car gun because of some nut job outside your car.... the car is a weapon itself. Drive over the idiot. Fighting from a car is stupid. You either drive and leave the attack or you exit the vehicle and use it as cover.
As a cop, the first thing they teach is us is that the car itself is a weapon. Cars are horrible things to fight from. The engine block is really the only thing that can be used as proper cover. Everything else is concealment... most cars today are thin sheet metal and rounds can easily pierce them and go through the entire car.
Go to the Box O Truth website and read the article titled the Buick O Truth.
As a cop, the first thing they teach is us is that the car itself is a weapon. Cars are horrible things to fight from. The engine block is really the only thing that can be used as proper cover. Everything else is concealment... most cars today are thin sheet metal and rounds can easily pierce them and go through the entire car.
Go to the Box O Truth website and read the article titled the Buick O Truth.
Haven't read the whole thread, so I'm sorry if I'm redundent or if these have allready been answered.
First: What are looking for? What is your definition of a car gun? Are looking at something that you can shoot through a car and hit the driver, something you can carry in YOUR car, or something that can mess up the engine enough to put a vehicle out of commision?
If you're looking for something that can be used to penetrate into the "cockpit" of the car, then I highly recomend whatever gun you happen to have. Contrary to public opinion, a car is not cover. You can get behind the axle or the engine and use that part of the car as cover, but most of the car is going to be too thin-skinned to protect you much in a gunfight. That goes for the bad-guy too. If he's using a car door for cover, he' doesn't really have much cover. Check out the Box of Truth(http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/thebuickotruth.htm) they have a section on shooting cars.
If you're looking for a gun that can be carried in a car, you have a lot of decissions to make: are you going to carry on your person, or is the gun going to be in the door or glove box? How are you going to carry on your person (SHoulder holster, crossdraw, hip, IWB, ankle). If your gun is off body, are you going to leave it loose in a pocket holster, or fix a paddle holster to soemthing in the car? My car gun used to be an H&R single shot shotgun, but when I got my carry permit, I started carrying a S&W .38. I like it because I can put it in an inside jacket pocket and still reach it when seated, or throw it in the glovebox.
Are you looking at shooting the engine to disable the car? I don't have much knowledge in that area, and even less experiance, but I think one of the members here stopped a car with a .41 Magnum. Personally, I'd be looking at a long gun: either in the .308 or 12 guage ballpark. I don't know what the minimum calliber for that is, but I suspect either of those would get the job done. If not, well then, I guess it wasn't really a "gun problem" to begin with.
Hope this helps,
Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
First: What are looking for? What is your definition of a car gun? Are looking at something that you can shoot through a car and hit the driver, something you can carry in YOUR car, or something that can mess up the engine enough to put a vehicle out of commision?
If you're looking for something that can be used to penetrate into the "cockpit" of the car, then I highly recomend whatever gun you happen to have. Contrary to public opinion, a car is not cover. You can get behind the axle or the engine and use that part of the car as cover, but most of the car is going to be too thin-skinned to protect you much in a gunfight. That goes for the bad-guy too. If he's using a car door for cover, he' doesn't really have much cover. Check out the Box of Truth(http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/thebuickotruth.htm) they have a section on shooting cars.
If you're looking for a gun that can be carried in a car, you have a lot of decissions to make: are you going to carry on your person, or is the gun going to be in the door or glove box? How are you going to carry on your person (SHoulder holster, crossdraw, hip, IWB, ankle). If your gun is off body, are you going to leave it loose in a pocket holster, or fix a paddle holster to soemthing in the car? My car gun used to be an H&R single shot shotgun, but when I got my carry permit, I started carrying a S&W .38. I like it because I can put it in an inside jacket pocket and still reach it when seated, or throw it in the glovebox.
Are you looking at shooting the engine to disable the car? I don't have much knowledge in that area, and even less experiance, but I think one of the members here stopped a car with a .41 Magnum. Personally, I'd be looking at a long gun: either in the .308 or 12 guage ballpark. I don't know what the minimum calliber for that is, but I suspect either of those would get the job done. If not, well then, I guess it wasn't really a "gun problem" to begin with.
Hope this helps,
Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
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