What's all the fuss with these glocks??

[Obiwan]

For a lot of people...but certainly not all.

The Glocks appeals to them because they see weapons as a tool

Rather than an art form

For me it is the consistent, albeit imperfect, trigger pull and relaibility

And no buttons, levers, etc.

 

[Sean Smith]

Used to have a Glock 23, 35, 36 and 20C. Sold the lot of'em, and have no desire to get another.

All but the 35 had good accuracy. All of were reliable, although the 20C did break a slide stop. All of them had crap trigger pulls, easily broken soft plastic sights, brick-like ergonomics and so forth.

 

[Waxed Canvas]

Yeah.......Glocks are ugly with a mushy trigger until you learn it. I don't even own one right now or maybe yet is the correct term. 9/10's of the time you could walk in a room with two hundred Glocks on a table, pick any of them out at random and then go trust your life to it in a combat scenario without any prior cleaning.

 

[Sean Smith]

Yeah.......Glocks are ugly with a mushy trigger until you learn it.

No, I'm pretty sure the trigger stays the same.

 

[Waxed Canvas]

The sights do suck. Word to the wise: if you pay someone to do the night sights, make the re-regulate the sights again.

 

[vmi93]

Sights...

I've got a couple of Glocks so I read threads like these from time to time.

What are you folks doing with your guns to break the sights?

I agree that the standard sights aren't steel, and that they COULD be broken, but I don't see how you could break them absent very unusual circumstances (pistolwhipping someone, dropping the pistol, keeping the gun loose in a toolbox).

If anyone has broken their standard Glock sights, please enlighten me.

 

[TCD]

I dont care for the feel/grip and the pointing of the glocks that I have fired/shot

 

[Sean Smith]

I broke a chunk off my stock Glock sights (I think it was the Glock 23). Just bumped it on the corner of a table.

 

[J. Parker]

I've had Glock's on and off over the years. I wanted a reliable 10mm for the woods so I got a Glock 20. It's a good, solid, reliable pistol but I don't love the damn thing for cryin' out loud. If H&K had a 10mm I'd have one instead. I'm not a "Glockhead" but I respect 'em. If they hadn't come along....who knows....maybe there would be "Sigheads" instead.

 

[woodland_archer]

I'm a police acadamy cadet, and Glocks are not well liked by most of the people in my class. Most say it's the grip they don't like.
I have a 23 and no matter how hard I try, I just can't get into Glocks.
For me it's the feel of the grip, sh%tty sights, and the list goes on and on.

Mine's for sale and I'm currently shopping around for another duty weapon.

 

[Feanaro]

Reliable, almost as fast as a revolver, accurate enough to hit you in the head at 30 yards with ease and hold 2 or 3 cylinders worth of potent ammo.

Lets not forget the ergonomics of a brick, crappy sights and a nasty trigger. Oh, and kabooms and sheared slide rails and...

 

[Tamara]

vmi93,

What are you folks doing with your guns to break the sights?

Banged the slide of a G23 against the edge of the 2x4 and plywood "barricade" at match when transitioning from weak hand to strong hand.

When I had the gun in my right hand and brought it up to eye level, the absence of a front sight was kinda disconcerting.

 

[Greg Bell]

I was at the range the other day and a cadet from the local police academy was having problems with his 22. It was shooting radically to the left. After a while somebody noticed that the cheapo front site had been, apparently, glued back on--badly. The site was slightly melted and sort of off center. Yuck. People are sending their officers out with this poo-poo? Man, get some trijicons.

GHB

 

[Brigrat]

We are issued Glock 22's. Every one has had the frame replaced, due to either frame cracking, slide stop breakage, or KB. Glock has been good at replacing the frames, but I don't trust them. I have experienced an FTF or FTE with at least 1 in every 200 rounds, with all of our G22's with factory ammo (Winchester RA40TA), and I have personally witnessed a KB with a G22, and G23 in the past 3 years. I carry a Ruger P95 instead of my issued G22 for a reason. I own and love a Glock 17, but the G22 sucks if you ask me.

 

[artherd]

Brigrat- that's absolutely horrendous. I'd expect a beaten and flogged kel-tec to hold up much better than that.

I have a 34, which is an extended 17. 2500 rounds with just wipe-downs and not one failure to do anything but shoot accurately and on target. Gun looks new too inside and out, astonishingly little wear.

 

[Stealther]

Can't get a 10mm in any of those but Glock. 16 rounds of 155gr Gold Dots @ 1475fps is what I like to have handy. Too bad, I'd love to see them in a HK. (Yes I know you can do a barrel swap in the HK)

 

[Rich357]

It seems to be in vogue to find fault with Glocks, but consider all the priblems people have put up with over the years with other pistols. Revolvers were the handgun of most police agencies. S&W tried to make a dent in the police market with their M59 but it had it's problems.

When Glocks were introduced they gave shooters a really high capacity (17 rounds pre 1964 ban) pistol in a modest sized package. Even the smaller Glock 19 held more rounds than the old Browing High Power. It was more reliable out of the box than most 1911s. It may not fit every hand perfectly but it didn't bite your hand the way many 1911s did.

After being neutered in 1994 Glock Inc. came out with their sup-compact series. The Glock sub-compacts are small, highly reliable and hold at least the legal limit of rounds.

In the last 10 years a number of 1911 makers have changed the 1911. Today the standard 1911 is much different than the ones you saw prior to the introduction of Glocks in the late 1980s. How many 1911 do you see without a beaver tale grip to prevent hammer bite? These new 1911s have been tuned to be more reliable out of the box. Many of these new 1911s are at least twice the cost of most Glocks and you still don't have the high magazine capacity. Glock forced a change in the pistols being offered to the public. Many 1911 owners seem bitter about Glocks but they should thank Glock Inc. for causing the industry to change, giving them a better breed of 1911s.

Are Glocks perfect for evey situation? No. I have a number of different pistols but I still like Glocks and have quite a few of them. I trust Glocks to do the job. If you don't like their stock plastic sights you can get them with steel night sights.

Rich

 

[phorvick]

I agree. Why in the world would anyone want a Glock. Anyone that gets one soon discovers that they made a huge mistake getting a Glock.

First, they are incredily boring. Pull trigger = boom; pull trigger = boom. Time after time after time. You never (well rarely ever) get to experience the rush and thrill of the "what the %&%^ happened! It didn't fire!"

Next, the cleaning. Boring boring boring. It is no fun to be able to field strip in just a few seconds and then clean in a few minutes. Where is the fun and joy of bonding with your gun doing that? Also, you don't get to spend any time removing surface rust and really getting it polished up to reflect the sun back at you. You will have way too much spare time after getting the GLock. Imagine, you go to the range to shoot 100 rounds. You do that quickly because it fires every time. How do you now explain to your spouse why you stayed so long? It was not to get troubleshooting information !

Next, Glocks breed. It is subtle. I have not seen it in action, but have seen the results. First, it is the G22 you purchased. Then, all of a sudden a 9mm will show up, or a .45, or the big boy 10mm. I tell you, they breed.

Nope, any Glock buyer made a huge tactical error.

Luckily for them, I have a new business to help.

Send me your Glock, along with a $50 fee, and I will see that some other sucker gets stuck with it. No extra charges.

 

[Tamara]

Rich357,

How many 1911 do you see without a beaver tale grip to prevent hammer bite? ... Many 1911 owners seem bitter about Glocks but they should thank Glock Inc. for causing the industry to change, giving them a better breed of 1911s.

FWIW, beavertails on 1911's have nothing to do with Glock's influence. They were a part found on race guns and customs before Kimber came along and made it a production line item.

Many of these new 1911s are at least twice the cost of most Glocks and you still don't have the high magazine capacity.

Ever seen a 9mm or .38 Super ParaOrd or STI? (Think eighteen or twenty rounds with a flush-fit mag...)


Anyhow, Glocks are fine guns. There's no need to re-write history to make 'em more important than they really are.

 

[vmi93]

Thanks...

Thanks for the replies on the sight issue. My "working" Glock doesn't have the stock sights, so I probably missed some of the opportunities you've had.

I guess I'll put night sights or Hi-Viz on the bedroom Glock too.

 

[Marko Kloos]

I love 1911s and S&W revolvers; can't say that I feel nearly as strongly about the Glocks. They're soulless machines, a little clunky, and no Glock ever made has the curb appeal of a 1911 or S&W M19 with glossy blue finish.

That said, I respect the Glock as a no-frills, durable, reliable, and dependable self-defense appliance. The lack of soul is exactly what makes the Glock a good carry pistol: you don't baby it, you don't mind if it gets bumped or scuffed...and if you ever have to use it, and it ends up in a police evidence locker for a year or three, you can go to a gun store and pick up another one just like it.

They're not the One True Sword...no gun is. They are a pretty good tool in the old self-defense toolbox, though.

 

[jc2]

The Bic Lighter of handguns. Not near the class and feel of an old Zippo, but if you drop it in the lake, who cares?

 

[Baba Louie]

What's all the fuss with these glocks??

Great marketing, relatively new concept of plastic frames (not the first), cheap initial pricing, ugly as sin, Jack Anderson got all fired up over them being the terrorist weapon of choice, Colts had to be tweaked back then-Glocks were "perfect", more rounds than a revolver, S&W Semi Auto's were pricey and heavy, new, new, new (back in the 80's), no external safety, homely, simple, 2 initial cartridges Americans loved in various sized models - later added a couple three more, gangbangers love them-rap about them and shoot them sideways, no hammer bite, spongey trigger w/ short reset, easy to tear down, cute (thats a relative term) little ones for 10 rd. carry, long barrelled ones for I don't know what, rails for attaching I don't know what or why, strange packaging, Jeff Cooper hated them, wasn't made in America, funny name, a selective fire version in family that few own or want to but would like to shoot sometime in their life at least once, plastic holster, built-in finger-grooves to love or hate, S&W got caught with their pants down copying one, got a cousin thats a shovel and another thats a cheap knife (maybe a can-opener in the family line as well but we don't talk about that side of the family), fun to put down in useless internet threads, fun to defend them if you own no other handguns, usually goes bang when you pull the trigger, bullet usually follows the front sight, which might break off now and then as opposed to flying off like the 1911's staked on sights tend to do now and then, to target, interesting double speak for non-recall factory recall, special discount for LE Agencies, cheap to manufacture...

and thats about it, really.
But not worth fussing about that I can see. Just a gun. YMMV

 

[Greg Bell]

Tamara,

"FWIW, beavertails on 1911's have nothing to do with Glock's influence. They were a part found on race guns and customs before Kimber came along and made it a production line item."



"Anyhow, Glocks are fine guns. There's no need to re-write history to make 'em more important than they really are."


I think he was just saying that Glocks have reduced the tolerance of the general public for unreliable, poorly designed firearms. I think that Glock shares this honor with Beretta, SIG and H&K (among others). Once people had a taste of autoloaders that actually were reliable/well-designed (of course, when I read gun mags at the time, they were always sugarcoating the 1911's reliability, IMHO) the 1911 makers had to make start taking it seriously. The results have been a benefit to all.


GHB

 

[Hot brass]

I wanted a new poly framed gun. I tried the G21 and the HK 45USP. The G21 had very sharp recoil, and not good accuracy. The HK45USP recoil was easily handled, accuracy was wonderful. I was looking for a carry gun, so I tried the Para Ltd P14/45 Nuff said.