Whats the best lie you had a gun seller tell you

[JDGray]

Whats the best lie you had a gun seller tell you

Said his "SAW-10/22" conversion was a good shooter. When I opened the package, the plastic front sight fell off

At least he was a good sport, and promptly traded me back my 1911

 

[Hold My Own]

Correct...but, many of their firearms are made in the US. The Beretta model 92 (amongst others) is currently made in America (has also been produced in Italy). OTOH the "all-american" Browning is made in Japan...mind boggling isn't it?

Yeah, I'm aware of the 92 models being made in the US, but I think he said it was called the "Laramie?" I didn't know about the Browning though, but I can believe it. It just seems so wrong though, LOL. That's like Honda making a Mustang.

 

[sfc_mark]

I didn't know about the Browning though, but I can believe it. It just seems so wrong though, LOL. That's like Honda making a Mustang.

Actually, the Browning Citoris are made in Japan, as was the B-92 (Win Mdl 1992 clone).

 

[Loyalist Dave]

The Enfield "Jungle Carbine" (in .308) is "original".

"The artifact is an original trade tomahawk" (with the modern manufacturer's stamp clearly on the blade)

"The bayonet is original", with "INDIA" clearly stamped on at the base of the blade to the Brown Bess bayonet.

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I had a manager of the gun department at the Base PX at Camp LeJeune get shouting mad at me when I objected to his label on a Ruger Ranch Carbine in 7.62 x 39 being bearing a label of "7.62" and his staff telling customers it fired 7.62 NATO or .308 Winchester.

LD

 

[Hold My Own]

This is completely unrelated to the first post I made, but I went to a shop called Target Sports and I was just browsing looking at the 1911s. I think the guy I was talking to was new there since I had never seen him in all the times I've been to the store.

I asked to see one of the Springfield 1911's and he hands me the pistol, but then he comes out with "If you're looking for a concealed carry gun, don't go for the .45 caliber weapons. They're wayyy to slow of a round to be effective."

I looked at him with the "Are you sh*tting me" look. I mean yeah, the .45 is a slow round, but if I'm using it for concealed carry, it's not like I'm going to be firing from extremely long ranges. I say to him "Well, I've never heard of anyone dodging a .45 fired right at them from 7 yards. If you're quicker than an 800 FPS round, then I'm impressed."

 

[mastap]

"If you're looking for a concealed carry gun, don't go for the .45 caliber weapons. They're wayyy to slow of a round to be effective."

this guy worked at a gun shop? man, that's painful

 

[Maverick223]

If you're looking for a concealed carry gun, don't go for the .45 caliber weapons. They're wayyy to slow of a round to be effective.

That is beautiful, I agree that .45ACP isn't ideal for concealed carry, but cartridge ineffectiveness or velocity has nothing to do with my decision (simply too large of a pistol for my taste). I also love the comments on the "poor accuracy" of .45ACP, which is amongst the most accurate pistol cartridges at "long-range" due to being subsonic. A slow round has nothing to do with accuracy (unless it enters the transonic region en route)...trajectory, yes...ballistics, yes...accuracy, NO.

 

[Darkninja]

"You want to have a stripped lower sent to us? No problem, that will only be $75."

I left and chuckled to myself. That store has 91/30's for about $250... Way overpriced.

I don't know if anyone lives in the Eastern part of NC, but Mackey's is a great gun store. Going there Friday.

ETA: I love this thread, read through all 27 pages.

 

[Maverick223]

I love this thread, read through all 27 pages.

Been there...done that, still follow it pretty closely. Definitely one of my favorites.

Hint: If you have a decent internet connection/puter, set your page to show 150 posts/page...I only see 5 pages.

 

[Echo9]

The other day, I head a kid I work with telling a customer that a 1911 is double action for the first shot, and after that it recocks itself.

Sigh.

 

[ol' scratch]

Stupid Shotgun Advice

I was in a large box retailer looking at 10 gauge ammo. Some individual walked up and started talking. He told me 10 gauge was great, but only if I took my pocket knife out and cut a ring as close to the brass on the shell as I could. He said that way, when I fired it it would send the whole shell, wad and pellets out the end of the barrel and give a nice tight pattern. He then proceeded to tell me how his father duck hunts with a Winchester Model 12 trench gun he puts napalm shells in. I walked away from him quickly because I didn't want to take the chance that stupid could be contagious.

 

[ol' scratch]

Had a guy at a gun show one time who was trying to hard sell this old Enfield on people for about $600, if memory serves. The thing was trashed, but he was bragging about how the bore was "perfect... brand new, never fired".

He even hands me the rifle and a bore light to check it out. I honestly don't think I've ever seen a bore in worse condition... corroded, rifling worn away, looked like it had been stored under water. I thanked the guy, and then asked him if I looked like an idiot, and kept walking.

Don't know the "collector value" on a gun like that, but I still call BS on that deal. I sure wouldn't have bought that thing for $600, regardless of how "valuable" it might have been

I think I saw the same Enfield. It had completely rusted and pitted like it had been in the ocean for 50 years. I don't mean small pits either. It was literally CRATERED. The guy had painted it black to cover the rust. He said the rifle must have been used at D Day and dropped in the ocean because of the rust. It was the biggest POS I have seen and he wanted a mint for it.

 

[Sam1911]

if I took my pocket knife out and cut a ring as close to the brass on the shell as I could. He said that way, when I fired it it would send the whole shell, wad and pellets out the end of the barrel and give a nice tight pattern.

Heh heh. He'd half-understood an old poacher's trick. If you're out quail hunting or waterfouling or whatever but let's say you're of a sort that couldn't quite resist taking a shot at a deer if one walks by. You take one of your bird loads and cut a few slices through the hull just at the base of the shot column. You can keep that shell in you pocket and, as long as the warden doesn't check too closely, it looks like you're just bird hunting.

When a deer appears, you slip that shell in the chamber. When you shoot that shell, the shell will break along your cut line and the shot will exit the barrel, still wrapped in the front half of the hull. At least in theory. So you're shooting the equivalent of a "full-plastic-jacket" wadcutter slug.

Now, what happens exactly when the forcing cone and choke grab that bit of the hull and crush it down that extra amount of the hull's thickness I can't say. I can say that I've tried this before on steel popper targets and it knocked them over pretty soundly. No idea about practical accuracy or elevated pressures. And I certainly don't reccommend the practice!

-Sam

 

[ol' scratch]

A little outside of the thread BUT

Ok, I know that this is a thread about what people say in gun shops that is dumb, but I had to throw this one out here. This scared me.

I had just finished shooting at a range and gun shop when I accidently dropped a magazine on the floor. I turned around to pick it up and came face to face with someone sitting behind me with a Glock. He hit the slide release on a loaded mag POINTED RIGHT AT MY HEAD. I decided to call it a day. I didn't even pick up my brass. I quickly packed up and was going to walk out. Idiot walked up to the line, held the pistol sideways (Gangster style) and fired it. The spent casing came back and smacked him in the head. It would have been funny if I hadn't been so scary. As I was walking out, an employee of the shop was walking back to relieve him of his range time.

 

[Maverick223]

ol' scratch, sounds like a candidate for reviving the Dumbest thing you've seen at the range? thread. Another one of my favorites.

 

[BattleChimp Potemkin]

A small store had a VERY young and enthusiastic seller. Upon spying a used Sterling AR180 on the wall, I was fondling it in no time. Great gun, good condition, wanted a bit much for it, but I could have talked them down a little.

Until...

He then proceeded to give me gibberish as the following:
The AR180 was going to be used by the US military soon (replacing the M16)
It had a 1/7 twist (1/12 last time I checked)
Full auto parts were readily available (told to me under his breath)
It was dropped by the British for being "too accurate" (SUB-moa rifle? Naw...)

I informed him I was an avid shooter and the only "military" using them now was the IRA. I politely gave him his rifle back, told him the error in EVERYTHING he said, and walked out the door, never stopped back in.

Had a guy at a gun show NOT sell me a 1911 because he could not get the double action function to work. :O Said he was in the service and that I didn't know anything (despite having built a few 1911s myself).

Gunshow favorite: Pay 50 bucks a 20 round for Norinco steel core (no box and heavily corroded) ammo as "it is armor piercing". Headstamp was normal, but he had painted the tip black (saw bottle of Testor's model paint in the change box).

A guy who claimed up and down that he routinely services Glocks for police and military agencies all over the world who modified a client's Glock had it double and slamfire at our range. Guess he walked into that one full brunt.

A guy was trying to sell me a Glock thumb safety kit and claimed it was a "full auto conversion". He wanted $100 for the kit, plus the "$200 for tax". Didn't even want the thumb safety kit to begin with.

My ABSOLUTE FAVORITE: Guy at a show was trying to inform another potential buyer that he could make a non-functional Spainish bazooka (nice condition though) functional by taking a spring from an Enfield and replacing one on the bazooka. He had a VERY overpriced ($400) Enfield and a demilled Bazooka on the table...

 

[dogtown tom]

Lakeshore
"We couldn't get in touch with them".

I asked my local gun shop to order a pistol I found on a sales-to-FFLs-only distributor's website. Told them I was cool with whatever dealer markup they needed to add on. When I followed up week or so later the above quote is what I got. I knew from past dealings that they prefer to sell from stock versus special orders, but this was just so lame. The distributor is one of the largest in the U.S.; their toll free phone number, email address and physical address are all on their website (which we accessed on the gun shop's computer when I put in the order) so contacting them couldn't be a huge challenge. Lie to me, don't count on my business in the future.

They may have been telling the truth.
Last Feburary, a customer asked me to order him a Walther P38 from Southern Ohio Gun (not exactly a small outfit). He wanted the P38 with certain markings and grips. I called four times a day for two solid weeks, sent several emails and to this day I've never received a response from SOG. I understand how busy some internet suppliers get, but this was ridiculous.

 

[Werewolf]

Told to me by various thieves, hucksters and con-men masquerading as gun dealers over the years at various gunshows:

re: a $500 SKS - captured at Chosin Resevoir in Korea, says he. Now I suppose that is possible but very unlikely since the Chinese won that one. Besides there were 3 or 4 other $500 SKS' on the same rack. Wonder where they were captured?

re: $900 AK - why is it worht $900 ask I. Haven't been able to legally import these since '82 says he. why not says I. uhhhh - you just can't says he.

re: $2000 AK - 2000!, says I. Yep and worth every penny says he. Looking closely I say, looks like a pretty standard WASR to me. What makes it so special says I. It's got special furniture on it, says he. Really? What's so special about it says I. See that yellow color the wood has. Very rare and hard to find, says he. Uh Huh say I.

This last one is not so much a lie as just pure stupidity on the dealer's part

re: gun show gun dealer tells potential customer at his table that it's perfectly OK to fire 5.56X45 NATO out of an AR chambered for .223 Remington. No it is not says I, butting in. You're crazy says he. Look I say. 1st off the NATO round is spec'd out at 60,000PSI and the .223 Rem is spec'd at 52,000PSI. Add to that that the leade length on the NATO chamber is .080" longer than that of a .223 Rem chamber. Put a NATO round that's at max OAL (whose OAL is spec'd on the 5.56 chamber length and longer than the max .223 Rem round) in the .223 chamber and you push the bullet right up against and sometimes even into the lands in many cases and that leads to higher pressures that the .223 chamber just isn't spec'd for and eventually to chamber failures. You're crazy says he. Hey! Don't believe me says I, look it up in the SAAMI specs. If you don't have that you can check 'em online. Confused look from dealer,Who's Sammy says he (he thought I was talking about some guy). <shrug> I walk away with a confused customer trailing me and asking where he could look up those specs.

Now I know some of you will vehemently disagree with me on the above. Here's the link to SAAMI that shows unsafe ammo/chamber combinations. I don't really care whether you agree or not but I'd rather not see you damage your expensive bolt action rifle chambered in .223 Remington or you hurt by shooting 5.56X45 NATO Military cartridges out of one - or out of an AR-15 with a .223 Rem chamber instead of a 5.56 NATO chamber. Note you can shoot .223 out of a 5.56 chamber but not the other way around. In addition you're not gonna blow up your 223 chamber the 1st time and probably not even the 100th time you fire a NATO 5.56 out of it. Rest assured though that your 223 chamber will eventually fail and maybe catastrophically because of it.

 

[VirgilCaine]

My ABSOLUTE FAVORITE: Guy at a show was trying to inform another potential buyer that he could make a non-functional Spainish bazooka (nice condition though) functional by taking a spring from an Enfield and replacing one on the bazooka. He had a VERY overpriced ($400) Enfield and a demilled Bazooka on the table...

Sounds like he's saw too many movies. In The Beast of War, a Soviet soldier repairs an RPG-7 using a spring of some kind from an Enfield rifle...sounds like the guy latched onto a line of BS and wanted to make an extra $400...

 

[daskro]

re: gun show gun dealer tells potential customer at his table that it's perfectly OK to fire 5.56X45 NATO out of an AR chambered for .223 Remington.

Are there AR-15s out there chambered in .223 Remington specifically? I know there are many who claim to be ARs chambered in .223 whereas the barrels are really 5.56.

 

[ColdCoffeeMug]

Just recently bought a handgun after being pistol-less for the last few years and had done my homework. I'm on a bit of a shoestring budget and was looking for a fullsize 9mm with high cap mags between $250 and $350. When I went to one of my local gunshops I told the salesman exactly that and he said he had the perfect thing for me, he produced a sig p220 in 45 for $1000. I told him that was about triple my price range, not 9mm, and not high cap. I asked if he had any Sigma's in stock at which point he told me, "Those are total garbage. The d*** thing will explode in your hand because the barrels are made of pot metal. We don't even stock them."
I looked down and to my left and saw a half dozen of them all marked at $419 a piece.
I walked out and went to the other shop across town. Almost bought a Ruger P95, but bought the Sigma instead for $325 o.t.d. plus a $50 mail-in rebate. His loss, my win.

 

[Big Russ]

daskro, .223 rounds can safely be fired from a barrel marked 5.56, however 5.56 rounds aren't advised to be fired from a .223 because of differences in pressure.

 

[Erik M]

I was told that the new Doublestar carbine I had bought was junk, and that the 3 used Del-Ton lower/Franken-upper rifles on his table were some of the finest in the world.

a kid behind the counter at a local shop also informed my brother and myself that both the establishment he worked for and the himself was completely unaware of any feed issues that Mini14's had with after market magazines, and that I should quit reading ignorant hype on internet forums.


This jewel from the same individual that said that a .380 had the same relationship with a 9mm that a .22 short has with a .22lr (he kept calling .380 a '9mm short'), and then said if I diddnt believe him that he would load up a glock 17 with some .380 and fire it at thier range at the store. I told him that was not nessicary.

 

[atblis]

380 ACP is actually also known as 9mm short. It will chamber in a 9mm, and in some cases actually fire. Though usually it slips off the extractor, and the primer doesn't get struck. Buy yeah, you're definitely not supposed to use 380 in a 9x19.

 

[scythefwd]

Erik, the .380 is also known as the 9mm Kurtz, which translates to short. It does share the same naming relationship as the .22 short, but that is about it