Mongo the Mutterer
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+1Pilot said:Terorrism, oil shortages, natural disasters all make people uncertain. It calms one to order a couple thousand rounds of 5.45, 7.62 or 5.56. I know it helped me.
What's up with all of the SHTF threads?
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I have been a lurker for quite awhile, but wanted to reply with maybe a little different point of view.
Mostly what seems to be written in here is one extreme or the other. People say when SHTF they have thousands of rounds stocked up and numerous firearms, or others ridicule that and say people like that are scary.
For me, I realize the potential for disaster, and think I am fairly prepared. Little bit of food and water, first aid kit, flashlight and batteries, portable radio, and my XD9 with with a couple extra mags.
Do I think a Mad Max scenario is likely.....no. Do I think the Feds are gonna come take my gun......no. What I do think may happen is that some people out there try and take advantage of others during a crisis, so I am ready to let them know I will not be a victim.
So to those out there who are ready with enough guns and bullets to arm their entire neighborhood, I thank you.......your the ones keepin people on their toes
To those out there who think your safe and someone in a uniform will take care of you in an emergency.....wake up and realize you may have to fend for yourself.
Just a thought or 2 from my point of view.....thanks for noticing me
I have been a lurker for quite awhile, but wanted to reply with maybe a little different point of view.
Mostly what seems to be written in here is one extreme or the other. People say when SHTF they have thousands of rounds stocked up and numerous firearms, or others ridicule that and say people like that are scary.
For me, I realize the potential for disaster, and think I am fairly prepared. Little bit of food and water, first aid kit, flashlight and batteries, portable radio, and my XD9 with with a couple extra mags.
Do I think a Mad Max scenario is likely.....no. Do I think the Feds are gonna come take my gun......no. What I do think may happen is that some people out there try and take advantage of others during a crisis, so I am ready to let them know I will not be a victim.
So to those out there who are ready with enough guns and bullets to arm their entire neighborhood, I thank you.......your the ones keepin people on their toes
To those out there who think your safe and someone in a uniform will take care of you in an emergency.....wake up and realize you may have to fend for yourself.
Just a thought or 2 from my point of view.....thanks for noticing me
AnthonyRSS
Member
Once again, Steve said it best.
Our country's socialism programs all but killed self-reliance.
Our country's socialism programs all but killed self-reliance.
CoachVince
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magyvor said:What I do think may happen is that some people out there try and take advantage of others during a crisis, so I am ready to let them know I will not be a victim.
So to those out there who are ready with enough guns and bullets to arm their entire neighborhood, I thank you.......your the ones keepin people on their toes
To those out there who think your safe and someone in a uniform will take care of you in an emergency.....wake up and realize you may have to fend for yourself.
I joined this forum pretty recently, partially for SHTF content, and because I had feeling similar to those quoted above, and I grew up trying to follow the motto "Be Prepared".
I am not stocking up on ammo (I live in NJ, and am still working towards getting the papers so I can legally BUY ammo), nor am I buying guns (I'm comfortable with the "legacy" left by my father-in-law, who was in the service and also was a police officer for many years). I guess my interest comes from hiking, Boy Scouts, and being caretaker of a small property (all in the past). The zombie movies, etc, are all ways to try to think of the unexpected; i.e. what else COULD happen that I never would have thought of. Thinking a head, planning ahead, and imaginary ( if impossible) scenarios all can help a person "Be Prepared". I haven't yet seen the recent War of the Worlds remake, but it and the recent zombie flicks could be "convincers" for people who haven't prepared for disasters. Many people haven't ever thought about the consequences of deciding to help a "FEW" people in a time of need, and in New Orleans, many were overwhelmed when they tried. I live in NJ, and I saw the flood of people coming across the bridge from NYC on 9/11. Nearly everyone in the nation saw images of storms hitting the South recently. Earthquakes seem to be hitting somewhere almost every other day.
It is better to be prepared, and never need the preparations, than otherwise. And preparation isn't all material, a good bit is mental. And if people can't get materially prepared fast enough when they decide to become prepared (money or storage issues, etc.), they may focus on what they can do at the moment; prepare mentally. And a lot of that is considering your (and others') reactions to various situations. So, they hit the internet, looking for any group of reasonably well-informed people. And guess what guys- it's you!
I'm glad I found this forum, and despite not signing up specifically because you promote responsible gun ownership, I'm here because I value the opinion and feedback of responsible gun owners who support the constitution.
But, truly, do I think the fine details of FMJ vs whatever matter when the SHTF? No. Use the gun you know, with the ammo you have. But, in accordance with THR's philosophy, use it responsibly. And keep a knife or axe handy; that comet could make gunpowder stop working
DunedinDragon
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Okay...new member here, but I just HAD to join to throw in my $.02 on this thread.
I have to agree that there's a fine line for some gun owners between "being prepared", and paranoia. I see a lot of SHTF'ers over on ar15.com, but most of that is related to zombie killing, which we ALL know is a real possibility in this day and age.
But to help those who can't help themselves, I've compiled my list of...
"You may be a chronic SHTF'er if..."
You spent last weekend replacing your underground sprinkling system with a set of land mines.
The UPS guy delivered your last order of ammo using a fork lift.
The last thing your (now) ex-wife said to you was, "It's either me or your cache of weapons.."
You're a lawyer and you wear a tie and sport jacket to work over your BDU's
You're an advocate for gun control on anything smaller than a .50 caliber.
You like to practice racking the slide on your gun with your teeth
You watch "Night of the Living Dead" in order to develop your household defense plan.
.........
I'm sure there are others...feel free to add....
I have to agree that there's a fine line for some gun owners between "being prepared", and paranoia. I see a lot of SHTF'ers over on ar15.com, but most of that is related to zombie killing, which we ALL know is a real possibility in this day and age.
But to help those who can't help themselves, I've compiled my list of...
"You may be a chronic SHTF'er if..."
You spent last weekend replacing your underground sprinkling system with a set of land mines.
The UPS guy delivered your last order of ammo using a fork lift.
The last thing your (now) ex-wife said to you was, "It's either me or your cache of weapons.."
You're a lawyer and you wear a tie and sport jacket to work over your BDU's
You're an advocate for gun control on anything smaller than a .50 caliber.
You like to practice racking the slide on your gun with your teeth
You watch "Night of the Living Dead" in order to develop your household defense plan.
.........
I'm sure there are others...feel free to add....
FlaMike
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Zombie Question.
I am mostly a lurker on this forum, not a frequent poster but I have a question regarding the "zombies". I have also been seeing a lot of the SHTF threads on this site, but mostly on other forums and always thought the above mentioned "zombies" the memebers were referring to was a catch-all phrase for the Bad Guy, home invader, criminal, ect. maybe with a little sense of humor thrown in. After reading this thread, I'm not sure. Are you meaning to tell me the thread posters are LITERALLY referring to zombies?
Mike
Lake Mary, FL
I am mostly a lurker on this forum, not a frequent poster but I have a question regarding the "zombies". I have also been seeing a lot of the SHTF threads on this site, but mostly on other forums and always thought the above mentioned "zombies" the memebers were referring to was a catch-all phrase for the Bad Guy, home invader, criminal, ect. maybe with a little sense of humor thrown in. After reading this thread, I'm not sure. Are you meaning to tell me the thread posters are LITERALLY referring to zombies?
Mike
Lake Mary, FL
These SHTF plans will be good in SOME instances, but...
...what if the SHTF form is of a pandemic of bird flu virus or something similar?
I have a fair cache of guns & ammo, but am at a loss as to what help they would be in the above event?
What preparations would be of any value for that possibility?
What would your guns do for you if a super volcano let loose in Yellowstone, covering the country with suffocating pyroplastic?
How about a large asteroid hit?
My point is that guns have a place in preparation, but don't count on them to save you and yours from EVERY possible event.
...what if the SHTF form is of a pandemic of bird flu virus or something similar?
I have a fair cache of guns & ammo, but am at a loss as to what help they would be in the above event?
What preparations would be of any value for that possibility?
What would your guns do for you if a super volcano let loose in Yellowstone, covering the country with suffocating pyroplastic?
How about a large asteroid hit?
My point is that guns have a place in preparation, but don't count on them to save you and yours from EVERY possible event.
Daniel T
Member
Sure, but it's meant as a joke. You get get some pretty funny threads about tactics re: fast zombies vs. slow zombies, or head-shot required zombies vs. never-dying zombies. All in fun.
craig
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12-34hom
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SHTF
+1
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+1
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dasmi
Member
Because everyone can feel something coming.
No one knows what it will be, or when, but we can feel it.
No one knows what it will be, or when, but we can feel it.
DunedinDragon
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FlaMike said:
Are you meaning to tell me you DON'T have any zombies in Lake Mary, FL????
CoachVince
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Quick summary-RonJon said:
You are not infected with the bird flu. Others may be, but not know it yet. Your area (town/county/state) has been in quarantine for two weeks (this is QUITE possible).
A person knocks on the door, looking for shelter; they . They look infected, and don't want to go away. They have an axe, baseball bat, or crowbar, and are willing to break in if they need to, just so they can get to some shelter and food.
Your life, and your family's life, may be at risk if you let this person in.
OK, now imagine thirty people knocking on your door. Or everyone from the next town over, where the bird flu has been followed by massive death, decay, and disease.
Count on the gov't to help? Police, Nat'l Guard, etc.? You are not guaranteed protection. This can apply to anyone who is somewhat prepared, with unprepared or malicious people around.
Quote:What would your guns do for you if a super volcano let loose in Yellowstone, covering the country with suffocating pyroplastic?
How about a large asteroid hit?
End Quote
Try reading Lucifer's Hammer for the asteroid reference.
Volcano? OK if it covers the whole country, maybe a gun would be useless. Although, if you had a plane or fast boat, maybe it worthwhile to get out of Dodge. If so, someone else will want your boat, and will be willing to kill you for it.
I see the ownership of a gun as a means to protect yourself and your family from threats. Those threats will persist even if (and, probably, ESPECIALLY IF) the SHTF.
If mankind is alive, and no biblical prophecies are being or have been fulfilled, then there will be a need for good men to stand against bad men. Your guns will have use.
That raises a question I never considered before.
What caliber gun is the best choice for Peter Pan to use against bears?
FlaMike-
No, no hidden meanings, yes we mean "real" zombies, and no, we aren't crazy- it is purely joking around for fun.
(unless... zombies are real!)
CoachVince
Member
What altitude is Peter flying at, and can he hover in place well?torpid said:
NineseveN
member
The heck with that, what caliber for Peter Pan? I trust the bears more than I trust that sissy.
thereisnospoon
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I resemble that comment...
Bang-A-Rang!!!
Cosmoline
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Waffen said:
People who refuse to prepare for the inevitable disaster flat out scare me, because they become more dangerous than any zombie when the trouble starts.
If your rear end has lived its whole life with indoor plumbing, heat and power on demand, police protection and all the wonderful benefits of modern civilization it's easy to believe these things will go on forever. Those of us who live closer to the edge know better. At any moment we're one nine pointer away from being cut off from supplies, power, running water, heat, food and state protection for a month or more. If you don't prepare you'd best be ready to freeze to death.
Cosmoline
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El Tejon said:
Yeah, the bears really want to roll around and play. They're big fuzzy creatures and I've been insulting them by yellling at them and pointing rifles at them! The next time I see one I'll make a point of calling him "Big Tummy Tum" and go up and try to rub his belly just like Treadwell.
sm
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Re: Bears
Yes we have bears in my state.
I "learnt" about bears on my B-day. I think I had turned 5. Facinating Critters, they do not like their young messed with, "if momma ain't happy" and "don't mess with my young 'uns" - apply to da bears. They do not like hot dogs it seems, I tossed the remains of one found on the ground, Momma bear did not like this. Daddy bear got a bit upset too, he came barreling out to what all the rukus was ...cork ammo is not ample to make a bear turn.
I get older, canoeing , and a bear can run really fast, and do quite well in water. Forget 'J stroke' just get some distance fast!
Also saw what happens when a bear really really wants into a shed where food is kept out camping. I have mentioned my fondness for 12 ga slugs and all - correct? . Me? I was atop the Surburban...you do your 'riding shotgun" your way, I was doing it this way for this situation. I told them not to put food in that there shed...
Not too long ago:
1) da bears were in town checking out trash cans. Local Police " whaddya call us for?" they asked of that neighborhood. Game and Fish came out with tranquilizer dart guns.
2) I was headed just down the street about to take the freeway exit. Da bears were so cute, waving at folks, appreciative of donuts and burgers being tossed at 'em. Two cubs fighting over a corn dog...Momma fussing at 'em to share...
I didn't need my Canoe, my lever action cork gun, not even my CCW. I just waved, and took my exit.
da cubs...so cute!
Yes we have bears in my state.
I "learnt" about bears on my B-day. I think I had turned 5. Facinating Critters, they do not like their young messed with, "if momma ain't happy" and "don't mess with my young 'uns" - apply to da bears. They do not like hot dogs it seems, I tossed the remains of one found on the ground, Momma bear did not like this. Daddy bear got a bit upset too, he came barreling out to what all the rukus was ...cork ammo is not ample to make a bear turn.
I get older, canoeing , and a bear can run really fast, and do quite well in water. Forget 'J stroke' just get some distance fast!
Also saw what happens when a bear really really wants into a shed where food is kept out camping. I have mentioned my fondness for 12 ga slugs and all - correct? . Me? I was atop the Surburban...you do your 'riding shotgun" your way, I was doing it this way for this situation. I told them not to put food in that there shed...
Not too long ago:
1) da bears were in town checking out trash cans. Local Police " whaddya call us for?" they asked of that neighborhood. Game and Fish came out with tranquilizer dart guns.
2) I was headed just down the street about to take the freeway exit. Da bears were so cute, waving at folks, appreciative of donuts and burgers being tossed at 'em. Two cubs fighting over a corn dog...Momma fussing at 'em to share...
I didn't need my Canoe, my lever action cork gun, not even my CCW. I just waved, and took my exit.
da cubs...so cute!
Carl N. Brown
Member
SHTF
OK, so tin foil helmets protect your mind from control by
UFO Grays while you battle the mutant ninja zombie bears
while evacuating from the city after the stuff hit the fan.
Gentlemen, we have forgotten the DeRos of Lost Lemuria!
When the people of Lemuria died out eons ago, their
deranged robots lived on in tunnels under the earth, to
telepathicly control humans by thought waves directed at
the base of our spines: we should also be wearing tinfoil
Depends or at least tinfoil pantyliners. And how do you
shoot deranged robots in tunnels under your feet? That's
a worse SHTF scenario than Zombies!
I credit the 1950s Civil Defense drills and the 1950s
"Tomorrow we liberate Cleveland" school of sci-fi for a lot of the
interest in SHTF scenarios. I credit guvmint Civil Defense with
creating the survivalist movement. Most THR SHTF is just in fun:
"What's the best gun for George Romero Zombies?"
My "bug out bag" is really intended to keep me fed,
warm and protected if my car breaks down and I have
to spend a night on the mountain. Being prepared for a
true civil defense situation (temporary social break
down, natural disaster, you are on your own) does not hurt.
Keep at least five days of food and water stockpiled, keep your
car gas tank over half full at all times, have a first aid kit,
secure your home against break in, if armed for self defense
be prepared and think out the consequences. People who
were prepared for SHTF in the Gulf Coast faired better
than those who were not.
(I am still looking for a replacement copy of CM Kornbluth's
Not This August, a real SHTF novel.)
OK, so tin foil helmets protect your mind from control by
UFO Grays while you battle the mutant ninja zombie bears
while evacuating from the city after the stuff hit the fan.
Gentlemen, we have forgotten the DeRos of Lost Lemuria!
When the people of Lemuria died out eons ago, their
deranged robots lived on in tunnels under the earth, to
telepathicly control humans by thought waves directed at
the base of our spines: we should also be wearing tinfoil
Depends or at least tinfoil pantyliners. And how do you
shoot deranged robots in tunnels under your feet? That's
a worse SHTF scenario than Zombies!
I credit the 1950s Civil Defense drills and the 1950s
"Tomorrow we liberate Cleveland" school of sci-fi for a lot of the
interest in SHTF scenarios. I credit guvmint Civil Defense with
creating the survivalist movement. Most THR SHTF is just in fun:
"What's the best gun for George Romero Zombies?"
My "bug out bag" is really intended to keep me fed,
warm and protected if my car breaks down and I have
to spend a night on the mountain. Being prepared for a
true civil defense situation (temporary social break
down, natural disaster, you are on your own) does not hurt.
Keep at least five days of food and water stockpiled, keep your
car gas tank over half full at all times, have a first aid kit,
secure your home against break in, if armed for self defense
be prepared and think out the consequences. People who
were prepared for SHTF in the Gulf Coast faired better
than those who were not.
(I am still looking for a replacement copy of CM Kornbluth's
Not This August, a real SHTF novel.)
USSR
Member
krochus said:I've a member of various other forums with thousands of posts and I cannot figure out whats up with all of the SHTF threads on THR I have never even seen the term before coming here. The only SHTF I'm seriously worried about is the kind that involves a gas station burrito a lack of TP coupled with a malfunctioning celing fan.
Glad you asked the question I've been dying to ask. Near as I can figure out, most of the SHTF posts are from those of the armchair warrior type. You just don't seem to see very many competitive shooters, LE's, or military guys joining in this activity. I think the SHTFers are too busy contemplating the ideal firearms for a mythical situation to actually go out and target shoot. Well, I suppose the tin foil hat crowd has to go somewhere.
Don
NineseveN
member
To all you gun owners that like to make fun of those of us that engage in discussions about preparations for the worst and store small quantities of ammunition and arms:
When you see us talking about defending our lives from marauders or attackers in a case of civil unrest, disaster or societal collapse, who do you think we're talking about?
Well, asside from terrorists/invaders, zombies, giant bugs, aliens and the government, we're talking about YOU.
Yes, that's right. Try to ignore the jokes about the zombies and bugs and realize that I am VERY serious here.
Those of you that have firearms and the knowledge to use them that don't have some MRE's or canned goods and water stored as well as evacuation routes and alternate plans based on plausible disaster scenarios put others at risk because of your lazines and blissninnie attitude. What are you gonna do, let your wife and kids die of starvation because you didn't prepare for the situation you find yourself in, or will you go hunting? In some areas, the only hunting you can do consists of what's over in Joe Neighbor's house and convincing him to give it to you, or forcing him to.
I don't know anyone, no matter if the situation is their fault or not, that would let their family members or children die if they had the means to prevent it, no matter what those means were and what using them meant committing themselves to.
I'll say it again, gun owners in condition white that do not take certain aspects seriously (firearms politics and rights, disaster preparations) are MY biggest concern.
The fact that you all think you have the maturity to be responsible enough to own a firearm but mock others for being more responsible than you are for their own safety and thus the safety of others, albeit in an unlikely scenarios, astounds me.
Unprepared gun owners, just like every other person who is not prepared, will turn into welfare-entitlement whores when the food and water are gone and Billy Jr. and little Sally are dehydrating and starving...only the entitlements will to whatever someone else has because they were better prepared or more fortunate but are not sharing, the checks will be cashed at will and will be written on shell casings, signed in someone else's blood.
But nah, can't happen here, right?
It's not the guy that gets over eccentric about preparing for disaster and has 20,000 rounds of ammo, 15 rifles and 22 escape routes with 200lbs of gear that worries me, it's the guy with no preparations (mentally or materially) that finds himself and his family stuck in a bad situation with nowhere to go and nothing to lose that I worry about. In dire circumstances, even the most civilized and honorable of human beings are capable of every vile and vicious act known to man (rape, murder, cannibalism, incest, theft, torture etc...), one would do well to remember that.
You do what you want, don’t worry, we think you’re just as foolish as you think we are.
When you see us talking about defending our lives from marauders or attackers in a case of civil unrest, disaster or societal collapse, who do you think we're talking about?
Well, asside from terrorists/invaders, zombies, giant bugs, aliens and the government, we're talking about YOU.
Yes, that's right. Try to ignore the jokes about the zombies and bugs and realize that I am VERY serious here.
Those of you that have firearms and the knowledge to use them that don't have some MRE's or canned goods and water stored as well as evacuation routes and alternate plans based on plausible disaster scenarios put others at risk because of your lazines and blissninnie attitude. What are you gonna do, let your wife and kids die of starvation because you didn't prepare for the situation you find yourself in, or will you go hunting? In some areas, the only hunting you can do consists of what's over in Joe Neighbor's house and convincing him to give it to you, or forcing him to.
I don't know anyone, no matter if the situation is their fault or not, that would let their family members or children die if they had the means to prevent it, no matter what those means were and what using them meant committing themselves to.
I'll say it again, gun owners in condition white that do not take certain aspects seriously (firearms politics and rights, disaster preparations) are MY biggest concern.
The fact that you all think you have the maturity to be responsible enough to own a firearm but mock others for being more responsible than you are for their own safety and thus the safety of others, albeit in an unlikely scenarios, astounds me.
Unprepared gun owners, just like every other person who is not prepared, will turn into welfare-entitlement whores when the food and water are gone and Billy Jr. and little Sally are dehydrating and starving...only the entitlements will to whatever someone else has because they were better prepared or more fortunate but are not sharing, the checks will be cashed at will and will be written on shell casings, signed in someone else's blood.
But nah, can't happen here, right?
It's not the guy that gets over eccentric about preparing for disaster and has 20,000 rounds of ammo, 15 rifles and 22 escape routes with 200lbs of gear that worries me, it's the guy with no preparations (mentally or materially) that finds himself and his family stuck in a bad situation with nowhere to go and nothing to lose that I worry about. In dire circumstances, even the most civilized and honorable of human beings are capable of every vile and vicious act known to man (rape, murder, cannibalism, incest, theft, torture etc...), one would do well to remember that.
You do what you want, don’t worry, we think you’re just as foolish as you think we are.
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