whats wrong with 10mm?

[duncan]

Federal 180 gr. Hydra-Shok
Buffalo Bore 180 gr. JHC
Winchester175 gr. Silvertip
Hornady 200 gr. XTP
And a few of DoubleTap's 180/200 SD loadings

I carry DoubleTap because his loads where probably developed out of Glock 20 barrels.
How many do you need?

 

[Dunedain]

A great place to get quality 10mm ammo is www.swampfoxgunworks.com

The ammo can be loaded with your choice of bullet of whatever is available from bullet makers, you can even special order the type of cases used if you have a preference, and the quality and customer service is top-notch. And if you want true full-power ammo in 10mm, or any other caliber that is loaded there, they offer ammo that is loaded hot (+p, +p+, etc.) and that actually delivers the fps speeds that are claimed.

Below are some videos showing full-power 10mm rounds from swampfox being fired and showing the speeds on a chronograph. You've got to love the sound of full-tilt 10mm rounds being fired, wow! hehe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-3yRsG1Qzc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4keAf4Cyt4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlEMOv2W3mA&feature=related

 

[MAC USMC]

The FBI shoot-out in Miami generated the search for an improved, more lethal round. The 10mm was born and excited lots of police agencies and civilian shooters. The 10mm is potent, but it takes getting used to and new police trainees, and others with small hands, did not perform well with it.

I noticed it has a big "signature" when fired at night, which would impact night vision in a gun battle. The power of this round and the resulting recoil accellerates wear and tear in any handgun, especially if it is not all steel. Although I like the 10mm I would NOT choose it for police duty nor as my personal defense choice. Those 2nd and following shots can make the difference in real life scenarios. Some would have difficulty getting back on target after the first shot and gun control can be an issue during rapid fire.

There are some great calibers available and each tend to fill a "need", the 10mm does not serve that purpose. I do own one and like to shoot it, BUT - - - - - -.

 

[Lou McGopher]

whats wrong with 10mm?

It's too weak.

 

[Dunedain]

Oh yes, waaay under-powered.

 

[legion3]

It's too weak.

Oh yes, waaay under-powered.

Well the 10mm isn't in theory but lots of factory ammo is way under powered. And unfortunately the stuff that isn't can be quite expensive. Couple in DT's wide swings in velocity which have been reported and at $40/50 a box that is quite daunting.

 

[Dunedain]

legion3: That's why if one wants real full-power 10mm ammo, I recommend swampfox, no wide swings in velocity there, the ammo actually performs at the speeds that are claimed.

 

[IdahoLT1]

Well the 10mm isn't in theory but lots of factory ammo is way under powered. And unfortunately the stuff that isn't can be quite expensive. Couple in DT's wide swings in velocity which have been reported and at $40/50 a box

That's not the case anymore, maybe 10 years ago.

As far as I've tested, the ones that are under powered are American eagle, CCI Blazer, federals hydra shock, PMC, some of Hornadys loads. The manufacturers that offer loads that are in the mid to high range that I've tested are Winchesters silvertips, double tap, buffalo bore, some hornady loads, Remington UMC, Cor-Bon, grizzly ammunition and even Ultramax.

As far as price goes, of course its gonna be a bit more expensive. The 10mm isn't for everyone but if one has access to a reloader, its by far the best caliber to have in a semi auto handgun.

 

[10mmluver]

I load my own 10mm ammo. Starline makes good quality brass and Berrys makes a few double strike plated bullets that can handle the extra velocity. I hunt regularly with my G20 with a Lonewolf 6" barrel and my Delta Elite, I have collected a few deer and a hog or two. I find if you can shoot the 357mag well, then the 10mm with full power loads wont be a problem.

 

[Hunt480]

Not trying to change the subject but, who makes the best 10mm for hunting purposes?

 

[SSN Vet]

10mm is a reloaders cartridge! Pure & simple.

The difference between 40 s&w & 10mm is significant and quantifiable

SAMMI max. pressure is 37,500 psi. Vs. 32,633 psi.

You can't really exploit this if you don't reload though.

Pushing max loads in the 40 s&w is not something I'm interested in doing.

Do I need a 10 mm? No.
Do I want one? You bet I do.
38 super is higher on my wish list though.

 

[billybob44]

Funny anecdote on that one actually .. I was at the local gunshow this last weekend and was asking around for 10mm brass ...
The only merchant there who had any (which he actually found sorting through his other stuff) actually looked at me and with this pitying look gave me the entirety of his stock ... for free ... six pieces of brass. >.<

Did about the same-One dealer had a bag (87cases) of fired 10MM. I paid him $8.00 to take them off of his hands..Bill.

 

[billybob44]

Not trying to change the subject but, who makes the best 10mm for hunting purposes?

If you like the plastic format-Glock G-20. If you like the steel/1911 format- Colt Delta. There are others, but these I would recommend.

 

[billybob44]

Any one care to explain to some one that doesn't know much at all about reloading as to why a 10mm isn't a good caliber to start with? I plan to use the book loads to start with and keep them in the warm range nothing from the pits of hell yet. I will be using a single stage press, weighing out the powder by hand on a digital scale for each load, using starline brass, and probably hard cast semi-wad cutters.

Lowe, you'll do fine with the 10MM loading. IMO no different, as to difficulty than the .40 S&W. You will use LARGE pistol primers in the 10, rather then the SMALL pistol primers in the .40 S&W. BTW, watch out for NT cases in the 10MM+.45acp.-they are SMALL pistol primers. Set the NT cases back until you have the small primer set up in your press, and load the same as large pistol primer loads.
Glock and MOST experienced hand loaders do NOT recommend shooting cast bullets through the Glock factory barrels. Too much lead shaving-could cause hi pressure loads due to excessive lead/barrel restrictions. There are aftermarket barrels available for cast bullet loads. I bought a .40 S&W conversion barrel for my Glock G-20, to shoot my cheaper cast .40 S&W hand loads. I got mine from Lone Wolf.
For GREAT reading info., go to the Glock Talk Forum. There is a section there specifically for the 10MM loaders+lots of info. and also links to the Lone Wolf barrels.
Good luck on your 10MM loads+have fun..Bill.

PS:You'll probably find that your 10MM will NOT like Semi-Wad cutter bullets.-use Truncated nose/Round nose to start with. (Just my 2 cents worth)

 

[duncan]

I would NEVER shoot lead through a Glock factory barrel.

Lone Wolf makes some tight accurate aftermarket barrels for $120 or so

 

[jackpinesavages]

Not trying to change the subject but, who makes the best 10mm for hunting purposes?

For general deer/hog hunting grab a G20, and with longer range drop-in a Storm Lake 6" barrel. Good stuff.

 

[Dunedain]

If you prefer your 10mm ammo with bullets a bit on the lighter side, but running at warp speed. Check out these swampfox 10mm videos below. Nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NH_b37N4Q0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-n5GJjpF9Y

 

[PabloJ]

Just a wild guess but .357magnum and .40S&W ammo is available at stores like Walmart that carry ammo while 10mm is available nowhere in particular. When one can find it on the shelf the price is shocking. If someone wants something powerful they're more likely to choose .44Mag. Ammo is available at Walmart and .44 special and well-stocked big city gun stores.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

I know a lot of handgun hunters that seem content to not fire more than a box of ammo every year through their hunting handgun. Be it .44 Mag, or 10mm, or whatever, if you are going to shoot a lot, say a couple hundred a month, then you'd better be rich, or start handloading. If you haven't started handloading yet, you are either overworked, uninformed, or lazy. Anyone who has a healthy interest in shooting ought to gve handloading a chance. You won't save money; just shoot more. I would not recommend the 10mm to a guy who plans on shooting a lot with factory ammo. For that person, 9mm, .40, or .45 are the way to go (for autos). As stated, that ammunition can be found most anywhere. If shooting a 10mm, and intending to shoot a lot, 10mm is a greater expense UNLESS YOU HANDLOAD. If you only fire a box of ammo a year for hunting, then the 10mm is not that much more expensive than anything else.

 

[10mmluver]

Midway USA has 10mm ammo in their April 2011 sale flyer. Its double tap ammo and its all excellent quality.

 

[Dunedain]

10mmluver: The problem is that people buy double tap 10mm (and other calibers) high-performance JHP ammo and pay a premium for it because double tap claims this ammo is full power with very high speeds, which they even list on the labels on the boxes. But I've seen videos on youtube that show double tap ammo that was loaded in the last year or so (check the video dates) is clearly not giving these speeds that double tap claims on the label, sometimes not even close. Below are two of those videos you can check out.

Double tap either needs to load their ammo properly and give customers what they say there are giving them when the customers hand over their money, or they need to change the speeds claims on their web site and on their ammo boxes and lower the prices down. Because they aren't giving customers what they are paying for.

The overall quality of the ammo might be good, but that's not enough. When someone buys a Ford Mustang Shelby GT 500, they don't expect just a nice looking car, they also expect to get the big 500 HP engine under the hood that Ford tells them is there, not a 375 HP engine. Check the videos, you'll see what I mean on the double tap ammo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSJgHErJ6YE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nNXtvBhneM&feature=related

 

[DammitBoy]

I just go with the Hornady 200 grain JHP for $18 a box.

 

[Ruger745]

The 10mm is a great cartridge, that's why the FBI tried to adopt it in the 80's. They went with the 40 S&W since they were able to maintain a thinner grip on pistols since the 10mm can be too long for some peoples hands. It's not the fact that people don't like it, it's more of that ammo can be hard to find, depending on where you live, and if you don't reload it, it can be expensive.
Undoubtedly, the 10mm is the ultimate round for self-defense. Given the choice between a 9mm, 40 S&W, 10mm, and 45ACP, I would hands down go for the 10mm since it can be used for a wide variety of self defense applications.

If you're looking for an awesome 10mm pistol, look at the Sphinx 3000 that KRISS is now importing from Switzerland. 18+1 rounds of 10mm on the high capacity version.

Hope this offered some good reasoning,
Tom

God created men. Samuel Colt made them equal

 

[DammitBoy]

It's not the fact that people don't like it, it's more of that ammo can be hard to find, depending on where you live...

Doesn't the internet eliminate this problem? MidwayUSA is easy to find.

 

[Dunedain]

Ruger745: Where is this Sphinx 3000 in 10mm, I didn't see it at their site. http://www.sphinxarms.com/

Edit: Oh, I found it, you have to click on high cap version.