WHEN Buffalo Bore/Double Tap close, 10mm dead?

[ny32182]

As long as there is a demand for full power commercial ammo, someone will supply it.

 

[Mainsail]

Don't forget Georgia Arms 10mm.

http://www.georgia-arms.com/10-mm/

 

[TRX]

[Looks at loose .40 Super and .44 AMP brass on the desk]

You can buy a complete Lee progressive press kit for under $200; that's press, primer feeder, automatic powder measure, case feeder, and 10mm carbide dies. Starline will sell you new 10mm brass in any quantity you desire. Bullets, powder, and primer are probably available locally.

I don't know what you're paying per box for ammo now, but you can easily convert that to "how many boxes would pay for enough equipment to load my own." And after that you're not limited to what's on the shelf, how hot it's loaded, or what kind of bullets they used.

 

[Olympus]

[Looks at loose .40 Super and .44 AMP brass on the desk]

You can buy a complete Lee progressive press kit for under $200; that's press, primer feeder, automatic powder measure, case feeder, and 10mm carbide dies. Starline will sell you new 10mm brass in any quantity you desire. Bullets, powder, and primer are probably available locally.

I don't know what you're paying per box for ammo now, but you can easily convert that to "how many boxes would pay for enough equipment to load my own." And after that you're not limited to what's on the shelf, how hot it's loaded, or what kind of bullets they used.

Lord don't buy a Lee progressive, especially as a new reloader. Get the Lee Classic Turret and use it. Spend your crappy winter weekends cranking out thousands of rounds and save them for summer shooting, then rinse and repeat.

There are plenty of gun range owners who sell 10mm range brass plus all kinds of reloading groups on Facebook where you can buy 10mm brass used.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Reloading should be given serious consideration given the cost of 10 mm.

If I were to buy a 10mm, it would never see a factory round.

 

[Wreck-n-Crew]

10mm is an awesome round to reload and doing so gets the velocity i want. Right now i have light red dot loads and some heavy power pistol loads for a wallop.

Only problem with loading 10mm is not losing your brass! If you can manage that within reason you shoot a whole lot cheaper.

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[judgedelta]

Gentlemen, if I may suggest, there is nothing wrong with shooting the milder 10mm loads at the range for practice. They are cheap(er) and easier on both pistol and wrist. Lots of people download .357 to .38 Special specs for practice. Same with .44 Special in a .44 mag. The nice thing about having a 10mm is that you can shoot it hot or not. I've got two steel 1911 10mm's and they handle the Buffalo Bore loads fine; the Glock 20 reminds me that it is mostly plastic (rememberNewton's third law).

 

[Pokajabba]

10mm is always going to be around because it has a near cult following with reloaders. Heck, the 9x25 Dillon is still available with a conversion barrel for Glocks and that's about as common as the .44 Henry cartridge.

Personally, .40 S&W is as powerful a semi-auto pistol round as I need, anything more and I'm going with a revolver and even more powerful cartridges that make the 10mm look like a .380 ACP.

 

[orionengnr]

If you do not choose to handload, there are some good choices for 10mm; Underwood and Georgia Arms are two good alternatives to BB and DT.

To be honest, in the 5-6 years since I bought my 10mm, I see a steady increase in 10mm threads, more different 10mm firearm offerings and more 10mm ammo than ever before.

I have also seen people predicting the demise of the 10mm all this time.

I pick up a box of ST 175 ammo from time to time (when the price is right) to add to the supply, although I shoot it very infrequently.

Probably 95% of the ammo that goes through my 10mm is my handloads...but that is also true of my .41 mag and my .45LC.

I don't see the .41 Mag or the .45LC dropping dead any time soon, either.

 

[Wreck-n-Crew]

10mm is always going to be around because it has a near cult following with reloaders. Heck, the 9x25 Dillon is still available with a conversion barrel for Glocks and that's about as common as the .44 Henry cartridge.

Personally, .40 S&W is as powerful a semi-auto pistol round as I need, anything more and I'm going with a revolver and even more powerful cartridges that make the 10mm look like a .380 ACP.

Actually there are more people who shoot 10mm that dont reload than do. And here in the US Glock sales of 10mm have done more to keep the round alive than anything.

Now that more people are rediscovering the 10mm they find that it has been made in brands and platforms other than Glock for a while now.

Heck now everyone and their dad wants back in the game like RIA and Sig.

Fwiw to make a 10mm look like a .380 you would be shooting something like a 500 mag or 460 XVR. No doubt super powerful handgun rounds but punishing on the hands after a few cylinders.



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[wild cat mccane]

OP here.

I don't include GeorgiaArms because it is typically at the highest price for the level offered. e.g. their good fmj 357 vs America Eagle's fmj 357 are about the same price (and GA requires additional shipping), I would take the AE.

I am slowly getting more interested in the 10mm. It would replace a 6" revolver that I like, but am becoming less enchanted by the 357 ballistics. Additionally, I can't figure out how people are hiking with revolvers. The back sight set up is so fragile. Hum...

 

[Warp]

People still buy doubletap?

 

[PCFlorida]

SIG now has a line of ammo, their 10mm offerings are pretty hot.

 

[wild cat mccane]

That's another question. Double Tap gets almost equal praise and negative reviews for being watered down. Which is it?

 

[harrygunner]

Double Tap started out making legit 10mm ammo. I have a stash of a couple thousand I bought between 2005 and 2007. They chronograph as specified on the box label. And the bullets are Speer Gold Dot or Hornady XTP.

For later batches, people posted youtube videos of 10mm ammo from various manufacturers. You could see other suppliers' numbers being close to their specs while Double Tap (DT) was consistently 100-200 ft/s slower than what DT said it would do.

To add to their lower reputation, Speer notified them, Buffalo Bore (BB) and others they could not use the words "Gold Dot" to describe their products. So, they shifted to "Controlled Expansion". But during the ammo shortage, both DT and BB took advantage of the generic description and substituted Montana Gold bullets while buyers expected Speer and Hornady products. So not only was performance less than advertised, but the product's quality was less. At the same time, prices jumped.

Swamp Fox and now, Underwood took the lesson DT should have taken and make ammo that meets spec with components most want.

Recently, I bought a couple of boxes of DT with Nosler bullets to see if they got their act together. I haven't chronographed them yet. Local rain and wind will stop eventually. Maybe someone has posted recent performance.

I just buy Underwood. For me, personally, I make more money with my time from my usual endeavors than I would save by reloading. I do collect cases and give them to casual reloaders.

 

[Warp]

That ^ is correct.

Underwood is where it's at...not giving DT/mcnett (sp?) money again after that junk

 

[Robert101]

I saw the reloading data in my latest Hornady manual and had to have a 10MM. I bought a 1911 style DW Pointman 7 - 10MM. It has seen about 30 rounds of factory ammo. All other 800+ rounds it has fired have been my reloads. I don't plan on making it a safe queen or putting it out to pasture. I'll find brass and all the bullets and primers needed to feed it well over the course of my life time.

 

[wild cat mccane]

I got hosed by BB doing the same with their .380 that was supposedly the best and loaded with Gold Dots--opened the box to the crap hollow point. 2008.

So that means there is only one legit "hot" loader, Underwood.

That makes my original point of few (now one) boutique commercial loaders of real 10mm.

 

[mokin]

Short answer, no. People have been thinking the 10 mm Auto was dying since Dornaus & Dixon stopped making the Bren Ten.

Yes, factory ammo is overpriced. But it's still fun to shoot and you get all that once fired brass to handload when you're done. If you don't load it there are plenty if folks out there who will buy from you.

 

[Snowdog]

Wild cat mccane, I understand your concerns, but fear not!

Glock, Dan Wesson, Kimber, RIA, Wilson and several others continue to manufacture firearms chambered in 10mm and most folks who seek out pistols of that chambering know why (they want punch) and most of them know the difference between mild and hot loads.

Underwood, likely the only one of the group mentioned who actually meet their published velocities (google it, if curious... almost always at the number or a few FPS faster) are selling 200gr XTPs like hotcakes, according to the rep I spoke to. I believe it as they sell out soon after announcing it available.

Fear not.

 

[Wreck-n-Crew]

FWIW and already mentioned, most 10mm factory loads are light by original 10mm loads back in the day and underwood loads are pretty much on par with the loads of old.

Heck back then you could expect 200gr @1200fps and 175gr @ 1300fps velocities now most heavy factory 10mm loads are 175gr @ 1050-1100.

Note: before one goes and loads for bear keep in mind some 10mm's are under sprung and need a heavier recoil spring for full loads and some full loads are not recommended at all by manufacturers. So check it before you wreck it!

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[Snowdog]

Wreck-n-Crew, good point.

I'll (hopefully) picking up my RIA 10mm shipped from Buds at my LGS tomorrow. I plan on replacing the firing pin stop with a flat bottom from EGW and perhaps a heavier main spring.

I'm on the fence about increasing the recoil spring as I've heard that beats the gun a bit.

All my 1911s have been .45acp, so I'm still researching the issue. However, I have some Underwood 140gr Xtreme Penetrators (1500 FPS) and 180gr XTP (1300 FPS) ready to go. Of course I have the mild plinking FMJs for the range too.

As soon as they catch up to the demand for the 200gr XTP (1250 FPS), I'll likely just use those.

 

[Panzerschwein]

If you're worried about it, reload.

 

[Wreck-n-Crew]

Wreck-n-Crew, good point.

I'll (hopefully) picking up my RIA 10mm shipped from Buds at my LGS tomorrow. I plan on replacing the firing pin stop with a flat bottom from EGW and perhaps a heavier main spring.

I'm on the fence about increasing the recoil spring as I've heard that beats the gun a bit.

All my 1911s have been .45acp, so I'm still researching the issue. However, I have some Underwood 140gr Xtreme Penetrators (1500 FPS) and 180gr XTP (1300 FPS) ready to go. Of course I have the mild plinking FMJs for the range too.

As soon as they catch up to the demand for the 200gr XTP (1250 FPS), I'll likely just use those.

Fwiw you will beat the gun up if it hits hard when the slide comes back because of a weak spring. Much more so than a full 10mm load will do to the breach face.

Hey get them pics up and a range report when you get a chance![emoji6]



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[SDGlock23]

Honestly the 10mm isn't worth it, very little gain for what you pay. It won't do anything a .40 or .45 won't do, but will cost you more money.