WHEN Buffalo Bore/Double Tap close, 10mm dead?

[Warp]

Gold Dots, I thought were plated, and really designed for lower velocities, no?

My own informal tests showed the 180 GD pretty much self destructing @ 1,230 into a gallon of water, where jacketed bullets tended to expand intact.

Not all apples to apples, but here's the link

The 10mm, for me, is "this year's hobby", and at 650+ loads I've kinda gone overboard. Fun to shoot, good woods gun for most of the 48, and, I imagine, fantastic at dispatching cover-taking zombies

I digress. Bottom line is it shoots anything faster than the .40, and that may make it better, or inferior, depending on the perceived need.

Water isn't a very good analog, basically everything expands violently in water compared to tissue.

 

[wild cat mccane]

So in my quest for nearly picking up the Glock 20, hollow points is where it fell apart for me for 10mm (and somewhat in 357).

Here it goes.

Speer Bonded is a non notched Gold Dot. It takes more umph to open up. Match made in heaven? Well, I am happy with HST results in 124 and 147 loads. HST and Gold Dot will likely fall apart in strong 10mm.

Youtube shows XTP may not be the bee's knees in 10mm loads.

Where does that leave the 10mm hot loads? FMJ. But I don't have a problem with 9mm, 40, 45 FMJ. Heavier and faster, got it...but...?

So 10mm is heavy, moving fast, but offered in lower technology for hollow points to work well. So the defense hollow points (that are heavier, agreed) only go an inch or two deeper than HST 9mm. Cost? size, recoil, and 3xs the cost.

And FMJ? No one complains about FMJ results in other loads.


I got swept up in the idea of power, but I had to recall it is all relative that the others aren't poor performers. I may just keep the revolver because they are fun to shoot.

 

[Snowdog]

I have a 10mm as a trail pistol as there indeed are black bear where I live and lots of 'em. Typically they'll leave you alone, but when they're with cubs, they can be very aggressive. I catch sight of them every now and then, but usually at a distance and I plot my path accordingly.

As I already have a 10mm, I'll go ahead and choose it to carry over my .40S&W if for no other reason than to provide me the warm'n fuzzies I need. Besides, that extra 200+ ft/lbs may actually make a difference when that difference is absolutely needed right now, especially when we're taking handguns.

Besides, with my wife and 7-year-old daughter in tow, I don't have the option of running from a bear, so I'll take whatever advantage I can and for me, the 10mm definitely provides one over a .40S&W.

Now if I can make up my mind between Underwood 200gr XTP or Underwood 140gr Lehigh Xtreme Penetrator (1500 FPS / 700 ft / lbs from a 5" barrel).

The move up to 460 Rowland will give an edge in ballistics but in my case, more rounds as well (9+1 of 10mm vs 13+1 of 460 Rowland). Just like the 10mm, it's a bear repellent, not a thug repellent... though I suspect either would work fine against them too.

 

[Warp]

So in my quest for nearly picking up the Glock 20, hollow points is where it fell apart for me for 10mm (and somewhat in 357).

Here it goes.

Speer Bonded is a non notched Gold Dot. It takes more umph to open up. Match made in heaven? Well, I am happy with HST results in 124 and 147 loads.

Youtube shows XTP may not be the bee's knees in 10mm loads.

So where does that leave the 10mm hot loads? FMJ. But I don't have a problem with 9mm, 40, 45 FMJ. Heavier and faster, got it...but...so?

So 10mm is heavy, moving fast, but offered in lower technology for hollow points to work well. So the defense hollow points (that are heavier, agreed) only go an inch or two deeper than HST 9mm. Cost? size, recoil, and 3xs the cost.

And FMJ? No one complains about FMJ results in other loads.


I got swept up in the idea of power, but I had to recall it is all relative that the others aren't poor performers.

Indeed, a major advantage to a primary service cartridge (.38spl+P, .357 mag, 9x19, .40S&W, .45ACP) is that, relatively speaking, there is a plethora of premium defense rounds by major manufacturers pretty readily available, often times with street cred from LE. Step outside of those and it gets a little different. .380 too but it's on the weak end..357 sig is probably the next best for defensive ammo (that is optimized for the cartridge) availability...stuff like 10mm, .327, .45 GAP, etc etc...ehhh

 

[Snowdog]

I would also like to point out that though I feel the 10mm is a superior hunting/bear-defense round to the .40S&W, it's the only way that it is (superior).

I carry a 9mm (124gr standard pressure HST) for CCW and keep an M1 Carbine (Speer Gold Dot) for home defense. Plenty will say the 9mm is anemic for a handgun and the .30 Carbine is anemic for a carbine. I say they're both about perfect with the right ammunition.

My quest for power and additional penetration is for a trail gun, particularly for defense against bear .
When it comes to defense against humans, I couldn't agree more that the increased power of the 10mm (and of course the 460 Rowland) is wasted.

 

[Duvel]

OP, in the end it's what you feel is going to work best for you.

9mm & Critical Duty are my bedside security. Less bark, faster recovery, less chance of over penetration.

Outdoors, well, I choose more

 

[wild cat mccane]

The Lehigh Defense Xtreme is all copper. One point I think is missed, copper is harder than hard cast. The design of the Xtreme will slow it down or might drive it sideways, but I think that's the game if you are picking a hard/deep hitter.