Where does the ACR stand now?

[SHvar]

"1/9 non-chrome lined barrel!?!" Check the websites for both Bushmaster and Remington, the ACR can be purchased in 1/7 or 1/9 (1/7 is for better stabilizing bullet weights 77gr and higher, do you really need that, I hardly think so) if I remember right.

Concerning the LMT MRP "and can easily be made as ambi as the ACR", no, the entire ACR is designed from the start as ambi. Personally Im right handed shooter so tambi doesnt bother me much.

I agree with the price being too high, but just like all MSRP they are always way beyond actual retail pricing (example, the Ruger sr556, it was MSRP about $600-$800 more than what it actually sold for retail).
Remains to be seen though when actual retail rifles reach retail stores, then give them time, just like the SCAR the prices will fall another several hundred, heck the SCAR fell around $800 since.

 

[briansmithwins]

There are a lot of pretty significant design differences between the SCAR and ACR.

Care to name 3?

BSW

 

[ny32182]

-Barrel lockup
-Trigger
-Forend design

 

[briansmithwins]

-Barrel lockup
-Trigger
-Forend design

Ok, I'll give you barrel locking, although I suspect that feature will never be used by the vast of users.

But how is the trigger 'significantly different'? I press it and bullets come out the small end, correct?

Same question about the forearm. I hold the rifle by the forearm to stabilize it, not so? Unless one of these rifles has a gyro stabilizer built into the forearm I'm not going to be convinced that there's a 'significant difference'.

BSW

 

[ny32182]

Ok, I'll give you barrel locking, although I suspect that feature will never be used by the vast of users.

Assuming the parts are made, I don't know why it wouldn't be... for example, I can convert my XCR to 6.8 for ~$550 total sunk cost. If I wanted to build a real apples to apples AR15 upper conversion, including the rail system, I could easily drop twice that. The SCAR and ACR both have user removable barrels of course, so the same feature set is potentially there; it is just a question of whether the parts are made. The SCAR uses screws on either side; from the videos it appears the ACR uses a rotating lever of some sort under the handguard... looks like a different mechanism so far.

But how is the trigger 'significantly different'? I press it and bullets come out the small end, correct?

If that is the standard by which we are measuring, the ACR is the same as the Crosman BB gun I had when I was 12. But anyhow... the ACR uses AR15 trigger parts (at least the models they have shown so far do) and the SCAR uses a proprietary trigger group. Every major piece should be different.

Same question about the forearm. I hold the rifle by the forearm to stabilize it, not so? Unless one of these rifles has a gyro stabilizer built into the forearm I'm not going to be convinced that there's a 'significant difference'.

Once again it is starting to sound a lot like my BB gun in that case...

But: The ACR appears to use a FF forend that is detachable yet has all the mounting points at the rear... this is actually one of my favorite parts of the design, since it can presumably be changed out for a super lightweight plastic piece, or a 3/6/9 railed piece, or one with offset rails (like the one on GB right now has).

The SCAR's lower handguard has the bottom rail actually attached to the barrel, and then also has forward screws securing it in addition to rear screws, so I don't personally consider that one to be free floated. Also the 3/9 oclock rails are integrated with the upper rather than the removable bottom piece, so it would have a little less potential modularity here in any event.

 

[Jaws]

The SCAR's lower handguard has the bottom rail actually attached to the barrel, and then also has forward screws securing it in addition to rear screws, so I don't personally consider that one to be free floated.

The barrel on scar IS free floating.
If you go on the FNH site and watch the break down clip you'll notice that the front screws (that keep the lower rail in place), are only SUPPORT screws, not attaching screws. The front of the rail is not welded/screwed to the barrel, it screws into the receiver and the barrel is floating inside the ring. The four screws at the base of the barrel are the ATTACHING screws.

 

[ny32182]

I will have to check that out and see if it is a video I have not seen before... the videos I have seen so far, the 12/3/9 rails are floated, but I don't see how force applied to the bottom rail does not transfer to the barrel.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

For $3000, most people are wisely going to get the rifle that actually won the contract--the SCAR.

Either that, or get the one that's better than either, at about half the price (the XCR).

 

[ny32182]

Check out GB; the basic versions are landing now... currently listed at 2300; still under-featured compared to the SCAR for about the same price, yet already 300 under MSRP, so that is a good sign.

 

[Maverick223]

Where does the ACR stand now?

On the precipice of oblivion, made possible by the kind folks at RobArms.

 

[Seagrave7]

ACR is for sale now. See below at CWS:

http://www.coldwarshooters.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=908&zenid=1mf769e50jltc12hf2a32akak3

 

[CMP]

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1BMACRBB

AIM as well

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Wow, $2,400 for the basic version that lacks most of the features of a $1,350 AR15 and $3,000 for the California-legal basic version.

Looks like it will be awhile before I even consider any ACRs.

 

[mdThanatos]

Well CWS just added it to their catalog on the 25th and from my experience with them locally, not impressed.

 

[Darthbauer]

Where does it stand now that USSOCOM just more or less said piss off to the 5.56 SCAR?

 

[ny32182]

Same place it does now; a niche weapon for the civilian market.