The only thing that really bothers me is that there are basically two ACRs. One is by Bushmaster and the other is by Remington. The Remington ACR actually has a 1x7 barrel twist I believe and is chrome-lined, while the Bushmaster is not. This is probably indicative of other differences between the two. I'm afraid the Bushmaster version is more of a civilian toy or novelty item than an ultra-reliable my-life-is-on-the-line weapon. I don't want that to be the case, but time will tell.
Where does the ACR stand now?
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axiom, do you have a link for the info you're mentioning about 2 different rifles, bushmaster vs. remington? Below is a picture I took at the Remington booth in the military/law enforcement section. It's an identical setup to the Bushmaster booth, and even has "Bushmaster" at the top of their display. I talked with a Remington rep for a good while about it and he said that Bushmaster was manufacturing it, and that there were 2 different ones, standard and enhanced. No mention of barrel twists was made or is listed on their literature that I took from him.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/album.php?albumid=1547&attachmentid=105485
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/album.php?albumid=1547&attachmentid=105485
HorseSoldier
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I would assume that any ACRs that get offered up for military testing/evaluation/possible procurement will have 1-7 twists, but it wouldn't surprise me if any of the handful of ACRs for .mil testing are currently being built (and probably tuned) by hand.
Here is the Remington Military ACR:
http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/ACR/acr.htm#/intro
(Chrome-lined, 1x7 twist)
Here is the Bushmaster civilian ACR:
http://www.bushmaster.com/acr/#/intro
("Innovative barrel coating", 1x9 twist)
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Actually, I'm not sure at this point if the Remington version has the "innovative barrel coating" or a chrome-lined one. I don't explicitly see on the Remington website that is uses a chrome-lined one. Maybe the only difference is the twist.
http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/ACR/acr.htm#/intro
(Chrome-lined, 1x7 twist)
Here is the Bushmaster civilian ACR:
http://www.bushmaster.com/acr/#/intro
("Innovative barrel coating", 1x9 twist)
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Actually, I'm not sure at this point if the Remington version has the "innovative barrel coating" or a chrome-lined one. I don't explicitly see on the Remington website that is uses a chrome-lined one. Maybe the only difference is the twist.
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dmancornell
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To hell with the ACR. Getting a LWRC.
The_Hammer_Man
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Ya know the funniest part about these posts? The EXACT same things were said about the collapsing stock idea back in the late 70s. Funny how history repeats itself.
BrokenWheel
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I wonder if Magpul retained the ACRs name instead of Bushmaster, how many would be supporting its price tag. 
I like the ACR but not the price I thought they would be around 1500 bucks, and the reason I like it better than the SCAR is the non reciprocating charging handle. I like the basic ACR better than the Advanced or whatever it is anyways. I honestly think folding stocks on a 16 + inch barreled rifle is the dumbest thing ever. I hate folding stocks on rifles. I have driven with a long gun and you just set the damn thing down you don't keep it slung. As for chrome lined barrels, you don't need a chrome lined barrel to have a reliable battle rifle. I am sure the price will come down especially by the time I am ready to buy one sometime in 2011.
Z-Michigan
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You may not need chrome lining (or nitriding, etc.), but at $2600+, I want Stellite lining...
TexasRifleman
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Hard to say. This rifle doesn't even seem to have much in common with the original prototype. If memory serves me it's gained about 2 pounds somewhere along the way.
Heck, for that kinda price I'd expect gold plating. What's so freaking special about this thing that causes it to be literally double the price I paid for a SWAT model Sig 556?
Do they seriously expect to sell more than a few units at that price?
Broken11b
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So... from the responses on this thread, I take it that I'm not the only one unhappy with the current state of the ACR
And I thought it was just me.
And I thought it was just me.
nwilliams
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I really wanted an ACR.
Then I found out what they are going sell for and changed my mind
I have to agree with Hitler on this one....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0Pu-rvFjs
Charles Daly is supposed to debut the civilian version of the TAR-21 Tavor sometime this Spring, the money I was planning to spend on the ACR will now be redirected towards that instead. Initial reports is that it's going to be in the $1800-$2000 price range but CD hasn't officially confirmed any definitive price yet.
Then I found out what they are going sell for and changed my mind
I have to agree with Hitler on this one....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0Pu-rvFjs
Charles Daly is supposed to debut the civilian version of the TAR-21 Tavor sometime this Spring, the money I was planning to spend on the ACR will now be redirected towards that instead. Initial reports is that it's going to be in the $1800-$2000 price range but CD hasn't officially confirmed any definitive price yet.
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Zach S
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lol. I love that video.
If you're a car guy check out the one about the rotards...
If you're a car guy check out the one about the rotards...
Wanta B
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Masada= Put 1500.00 aside for it...
ACR/Bushmaster,er SHRUBMASTER=
Already have an LWRC...Might get another...
More than likely,if Tony's .458SOCOM SIG 556 works out,HE will get my money. If not LWRC here I come again.
Put 1500.00 aside for it...ACR/Bushmaster,er SHRUBMASTER=
Already have an LWRC...Might get another...
More than likely,if Tony's .458SOCOM SIG 556 works out,HE will get my money. If not LWRC here I come again.
ny32182
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Current state of the ACR...
1) There is a specific release date out there, but I'll believe it when I see it... until they actually start shipping out the door, I still consider them vaporware.
2) The feature set on paper is pretty much what it should be, IMO... a 1:7 barrel would be nice, but then again, 99% of people that would buy these probably already have a stack of 1:7 ARs if they want to shoot heavy bullets. If there is demand and Bushmaster is responsive, they should be able to make barrels after the fact anyway.
3) The weight is inexplicably high.
4) The price is about $1200 higher than it should be.
My suspicion is that they saw the GB hoopla with the SCAR and want to cash in on that themselves rather than let lucky first in line dealers do it, and they will sell it till it stops selling, and then incrementally lower the price and repeat.
I for one presently can't see myself ever paying 3000+ for one of these. I'd much sooner get the SCAR for $500 less.
1) There is a specific release date out there, but I'll believe it when I see it... until they actually start shipping out the door, I still consider them vaporware.
2) The feature set on paper is pretty much what it should be, IMO... a 1:7 barrel would be nice, but then again, 99% of people that would buy these probably already have a stack of 1:7 ARs if they want to shoot heavy bullets. If there is demand and Bushmaster is responsive, they should be able to make barrels after the fact anyway.
3) The weight is inexplicably high.
4) The price is about $1200 higher than it should be.
My suspicion is that they saw the GB hoopla with the SCAR and want to cash in on that themselves rather than let lucky first in line dealers do it, and they will sell it till it stops selling, and then incrementally lower the price and repeat.
I for one presently can't see myself ever paying 3000+ for one of these. I'd much sooner get the SCAR for $500 less.
Zerodefect
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The ACR is the biggest letdown ever.
Heavier than the prototype by a large margin.
Stinky non chrome barrel. How many men had to die before we learned that lesson last time. Not again! 1/9 is for mice, not men.
Way, way out of its target price range.
No thanks. since I could cross the Masada off my list I was able to pick up a Colt LE6920, and Aimpoint ML3. Deos everthing the Masada could (for me), and weighs less.
Heavier than the prototype by a large margin.
Stinky non chrome barrel. How many men had to die before we learned that lesson last time. Not again! 1/9 is for mice, not men.
Way, way out of its target price range.
No thanks. since I could cross the Masada off my list I was able to pick up a Colt LE6920, and Aimpoint ML3. Deos everthing the Masada could (for me), and weighs less.
Wanta B
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I buy a lot of firearms...I'll be EXTREAMLY hard pressed to buy anything Remington or Bushmaster again.
Word of mouth advertizing for them is going to be so good now!
Word of mouth advertizing for them is going to be so good now!
Shadow Man
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I think Remington and Bushmaster have failed to take notice of the times we live in, and adjust their products accordingly. 3K for that system? No thanks...
I'll stick with smaller companies that actually focus on what the end-user is requesting, and provide those products with a reasonable price tag.
I have a feeling R&B are really going to regret this...
I'll stick with smaller companies that actually focus on what the end-user is requesting, and provide those products with a reasonable price tag.
I have a feeling R&B are really going to regret this...
Remington had a gas piston AR at the SHOT show right next to the ACR. It has a monolithic upper (upper receiver and handguard) with a funny-looking barrel nut. BM already has a gas piston AR on the market so I'm not sure what Remington is up to but their version is supposed to be coming to market "in the near future" too. One of the reps mentioned that they may just offer it as an upper rather than a complete rifle but that seems unlikely. They didn't have any literature on the gas piston AR.
I'll stick with my two POF gas piston ARs (P415 and P308) and seriously consider buying an FN SCAR in .308 once they're readily available.
I'll stick with my two POF gas piston ARs (P415 and P308) and seriously consider buying an FN SCAR in .308 once they're readily available.
I feel like bushmaster is trying to sell us a Lamborghini with pinto innards and expects us to pay top dollar for it. This gun is all hype, thats all it has going for it over its competition. Hell when you can get a high end noveske all decked out for the same price as a bare bones ACR.
Gelgoog, as good as Noveske are (so good in fact that they didn't even bother to show up to the SHOT show ), they're not gas piston and they don't offer a quick barrel/caliber change option ... right? So I'd rather compare the ACR to other gas piston systems such as the SCAR, XCR, LMT, POF etc.
), they're not gas piston and they don't offer a quick barrel/caliber change option ... right? So I'd rather compare the ACR to other gas piston systems such as the SCAR, XCR, LMT, POF etc.- Status
