HungSquirrel
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The difference is that a killer is guaranteed the right to a fair and speedy trial. Somehow I overlooked the provision of the Constitution allowing for vigilante justice.
Our judicial system condemns those who deprive innocents of their life and often assigns to them the gravest penalty possible - the death sentence. So, for you to make such a comment reflects a complete ignorance of justice in general and the basic morality of man.
Its pretty funny for someone who constantly preaches against our laws with regard to basic rights to suddenly embrace them so fervantly.By current U.S. law, abortion is not murder.
Oh, and here's a newsflash for you: the Bible says exactly zip about abortion or the legality thereof.
Using biblical texts out of context as a pretext for abortion, pro-abortionists seek to retain some semblance of religiosity while at the same time espousing the radical planks of the pro-abortion movement. The most common argument in this area is that Scripture nowhere specifically condemns abortion or identifies it as the killing of an innocent human being. Such an argument, however, obscures the fact that the Bible depicts preborn children as living beings who are fully human (see, e.g., Ps. 139:13-16). Furthermore, Scripture clearly denounces the killing of an innocent human being as murder. Thus, abortion is a violation of the Sixth Commandment (Exod. 20:13).
Ironically, one of the most commonly used biblical pretexts for abortion is found only one chapter after God’s explicit command, "Thou shall not murder": "If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined...But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise." (Exod. 21:22-25; NASB). The argument goes something like this: If a man strikes a pregnant woman and causes her to have a spontaneous abortion, the penalty is merely a fine. However, if the woman dies, the penalty is death. Thus, no life was taken, according to Exodus 21, unless the woman died.
Thus interpreted, this passage is not being used but abused to support abortion. Let’s take a closer look at what the Hebrew text (as correctly translated by the NIV) really says: "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury [the implication here is that no death is involved], the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life [in other words, if the woman or child should die, the appropriate punishment is death]."
Illegal, yes. Immoral? I don't think so, but it is certainly debatable, even among Christians. One thing is not debatable, though. Dr. Slepian will no longer be able to commit infanticide any more than the Nazis could murder Jews after they met their death.Somehow I overlooked the provision of the Constitution allowing for vigilante justice.
That "clump" of flesh has a heartbeat and brainwaves at eight weeks. Does a wart have heartbeat? Brainwaves? But don't take it from me. Here are what the experts say:A live human child is obviously of incalculably greater worth than a non-viable fetus. It deserves no more protection than any other clump of flesh that might be found in a woman's body.
The living baby in the mother’s womb is a human being because he or she is the product of human parents and has a totally distinct human genetic code. This truth that abortion terminates the life of a human being is substantiated by science:
• As Dr. Micheline Matthew-Roth, a principal research associate at Harvard Medical School’s Department of Medicine, puts it, "It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception, when egg and sperm join to form the zygote, and this developing human always is a member of our species in all stages of its life."
• French geneticist Jerome L. LeJeune bore eloquent testimony to the truth of Dr. Matthew-Roth’s remarks when he gave the following testimony to a United States Senate sub-committee: "To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion. The human nature of the human being from conception to old age is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence."
• Perhaps Dr. Hymie Gordon, professor of medical genetics and a physician at the prestigious Mayo Clinic, best summarized the perspective of science when he said, "I think we can now also say that the question of the beginning of life — when life begins — is no longer a question for theological or philosophical dispute. It is an established scientific fact. Theologians and philosophers may go on to debate the meaning of life or purpose of life, but it is an established fact that all life, including human life, begins at the moment of conception."
You mean like banning slavery? Yeah, that has done great harm to society.Every single religion-induced ban or prohibition has increased the size of the federal government, decreased the strength of the bill of rights and done immense harm to actual live adults.
Every single religion-induced ban or prohibition has increased the size of the federal government, decreased the strength of the bill of rights and done immense harm to actual live adults.
Please show where the elimination of slavery was religion induced. I'd also like the bible vers that says slavery is wrong. I recall a lot of slave stuff in there, but nothing saying it should be outlawed.rock jock said:You mean like banning slavery? Yeah, that has done great harm to society.
You mean like banning slavery? Yeah, that has done great harm to society.
LOL! You're right, the Nazi analogy is definitely overdone. There really is no need to go back that far anyway, just pick any of the other little mass-murder productions that have played out on the world scene in just the past 40 years - Rwanda, Serbia, Cambodia - wherein the victims are declared less than human and therefore are subject ot whatever level of perversion or savagery the perpetrators can think of.There we have it folks, pro choice wins by Godwin's Law!
And it is also a fact that the abolitionist movement was founded by and promoted by Christians who opposed it (publically) on religious principles.Oh, please. Most pro-slavery literature in the antebellum South was penned by the clergy
Well, I will certainly agree that a good number of people back then and even today pervert the Bible to support positions that are contrary to Biblical principles, the latter of which are based on a whole reading of scripture (as opposed to singling out individual passages), original Hebrew and Greek, and basic exegesis (comparative analysis of the text). We see this today in the debate on the 2nd Amendment. The RKBA group has the historical writings of the FF and court decisions, but the antis still are able to twist these writings to their own purposes by taking text out of context. Perfect example - US v. Miller. We hear that case being used constantly by the antis to justify every gun ban from '68 to the AWB. A correct reading of the entire case, however, clearly supports the contention that military arms are specifically protected, whereas hunting shotguns may or may not be. This is 180 degrees from the anti stance. Now, how is it that they can choose to ignore the plain text of the case? Because they choose to, because it supports their pre-conceived position. Kinda like now.Now, rock jock, either morality has changed, or God changes his mind.
Now, how is it that they can choose to ignore the plain text of the case? Because they choose to, because it supports their pre-conceived position. Kinda like now.
First and foremost, it should be noted that the Bible does not commend slavery; rather, it recognizes the reality of slavery. In the ancient world where slavery flourished, the Mosaic Law thus stipulated stringent guidelines such as a year of Jubilee in which slaves were released (Lev. 25:40). In fact, it was the application of biblical principles that ultimately led to the overthrow of slavery, both in ancient Israel and in the United States of America. Israel’s liberation from slavery in Egypt became the model for the liberation of slaves in general. In America, many are beginning to wake up to the liberating biblical truth that all people are created innately equal (see Gen. 1:27; Acts 17:26–28; see also Gal. 3:28).
Furthermore, slavery within an Old Testament context was sanctioned due to economic realities rather than racial or sexual prejudices.5 Because bankruptcy laws did not exist, people would voluntarily sell themselves into slavery. A craftsman could, thus, use his skills in servitude to discharge a debt. Even a convicted thief could make restitution by serving as a slave (Exod. 23:3).
Finally, we should note that far from extolling the virtues of slavery, the Bible denounces slavery as sin. The apostle Paul goes so far as to put slave traders in the same category as murderers, adulterers, perverts, and liars (1 Tim.1:10). Indeed, slavery is so abhorrent to God that in the final book of the Bible, He condemns the evil systems that perpetuate it.(Rev. 17—18).
I see that you made no effort to read my earlier responses, so I won't reiterate.However, I get a good laugh when people like you claim that abortion is bad because the Big Guy in the Sky says so, when all available evidence shows that such a claim has no basis in history or Scripture.
When your profession is murdering babies, you should accept that risk.Morality: The notion that it's OK to shoot people in the back in front of their children if you think that your God disapproves of their profession.
So even if we are north of the 14th Amendment, the city of LA is not making any law and there are no costs incurred by having a fishon the city's seal. How are athiests are being imposed upon? I don't, however, see the ACLU rushing to the defence of Christians who are so oppressed by having that evil pagan symbol of Pomona on the LA county seal.