Who is Upsizing in Response to Recent or Past Events

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I'm considering upgrading from no gun to "a" gun, if that counts :eek:

I've been farting around getting my CHL for a couple months, I just need to buckle down and do it already :banghead:. I only own a Five-seveN, 5" N frame, and CZ 52, so I think I'll need to invest in a better daily carry platform, though...

I'm thinking Caracal at the moment followed by Boberg (I like weird guns), depeding on which I can handle first. My dark side wants me to get another big gun though, a S&W 1006 :evil:

TCB
 
It was a single gunman, not some terrorist squad nor a super-villian. Unless due to the body armor people are contemplating moving to something armor piercing, I don't see how what happened would have any effect on CCP choice.

I'm sticking with my same guns (summer carry is a Ruger LCP in a pocket holster. Winter carry is either a Makarov or a CZ-82 IWB).

I have been considering getting another winter gun, but mostly just for the fact that it seems like a waste to carry the Mak/CZ-82 when I could carry a 9mm with nearly as much or more capacity thats actually smaller.
 
I'm thinking Caracal at the moment followed by Boberg (I like weird guns),
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I tend to like weird guns too, but remember that while all your other guns can be for whatever you want, you probably want to be pragmatic about your carry gun - it's not about making a fashion statement ;).

The Caracal seems a good choice though - particularly the C model which has the capacity of a Glock 19 but is smaller.
 
Going from say, .380 to 9mm or .38 to .45, likely wouldn't mean much. Going from a pistol to a carbine might---but do you want to carry a rifle around?

Most encounters would be settled in 2/3 rnds or a mag emptied to no effect. Or at least this seems to be the pattern.
 
For me, it's not recent events, but rather recent conversations - mostly in this forum. Recent events got the discussion going regarding increasing the power of the weapon. I'm looking at increasing capacity.
 
Currently sticking with .380 in either the Sig P230 or Walther PK380. If I find a .40 in relativly the same size that feels good in my hands then that would be a consideration. It comes down to control and fit, when speed counts I can bring those guns to target faster with more control. With larger frames I have to adjust, although I am more accurate with them in slow fire.
 
No change in my carry, a Kahr CW9, but I did start about six months ago keeping a Beretta M9 in the locked glove box when I go out. I do not leave it in there though and it is not because of recent events. I just figured that it couldn't hurt and it cannot do me any good if it's at home while I am not. I would do a long gun, but it would be a lot harder to take in and out all the time and I will not leave it there overnight.

Shawn
 
Not me. My three carry rotation calibers are 38spl, 9mm, and 380. I'm standing pat.
 
Considering the cosmically low chances of ever being in the same place as one of those events, I wouldn't change a thing anyway.

Considering the best response I would hope to muster, I wouldn't have any reason to choose more than I normally carry.

The proper response to a madman firing large quantities of ammo is not large quantities of return fire. He can be indescriminate about his shots. I cannot.
 
Good stuff Sam1911.

New holster gets here today. I need to carry more. Not search for the perfect hand cannon with an infinite magazine.



Watch your lane.
 
First, I seriously doubt a SWAT Team there to watch the movie could have stopped this guy much sooner.

Because they would at first have been filled with doubt whether it was a movie promo "Joker" hired for the movie premier, or a real Killer Clown?
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In OODA Loop speak, this is called "orientation." The length of time to "orient" to the situation can be easily shortened. If anybody reasonably appears to be armed and committing a felonious assault, that person instantly becomes a target. There is NO need to determine whether or not a reasonably perceived attack is a promo or a stunt. If the person is armed and is shooting at people then that person is a deadly danger - and a target.

Second, a gun fight would have probably killed more innocent people as they were climbing and running over you while heading for the doors while you attempted to return fire.
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This is as much speculation as anything else. Would there have been a gunfight? Would a CCW'r have been detected when he/she fired on the bad guy? Would there have been people in the way? All just speculation.

IMO: This was one of those deals where the outcome was pre-ordained, and there was nothing a CCW could have done to stop it, short of some kind of miracle to recognize the threat for a real one, and have been setting next to the propped open door where the Killer Clown came in.
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I don't believe the same as you. One or two CCW's may or may not have made a difference. IMO the odds would have been 50/50.
 
I think anyone carrying could have stopped the guy sooner. From what heard he went on shooting for close to 15 minutes.

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That being said, I thought about upgrading to a 7.5" bbl .454 as a backup gun with a AR-15 pistol as primary, 6 spare 30 rnd mags. then I thought maybe I should get a AR-10 pistol in .308. .......

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I don't carry to meet a single, highly unlikely situation. I normally carry either a subcompact 9mm with 12 rounds or a .45 with 8. In either case, it would have given me a far better set of options than sitting there unarmed.
 
You just can't plan for or conduct sufficient operational risk management to mitigate away the risks of an extremely unlikely event. The risk break-out would logically dictate: never leave your house & you will not likely ever face an active shooter in a public situation. The really small chance that you will ever use your weapon at all ... even in the more likely occurrance of typical armed street crime ... is very small. Still, in a situation that defies the odds I'd find some comfort in the fact that my EDC, a Ruger SP101 .357 gives me more tactical options than the un-armed. At least die fighting or withdraw fighting (or allow others to do so.) I try to live the BSA motto --- "Be Prepared." But it is impossible to be prepared for every eventuality.
 
I am comfortable with my choices, 45 acp 1911 or sig 229 in s&w 40. But it has caused my wife and I to review our training and practice to be better prepared for different scenarios that we could encounter. My wife is happy with her sig 239 with a 238 as a bug. My bigger fear is over reaction by people wanting to "legislate" a false sense of security.
 
Also moved to a far lower threat location.
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Good man. The most obvious solution is usually the correct one.

you probably want to be pragmatic about your carry gun - it's not about making a fashion statement
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The Boberg's a tiny 9mm with a real-size barrel. If the concept works, it's very pragmatic (the real problem is finding one...). My secret lust for a Chiappa Rhino, now that's non-pragmatic :).

I do think I'll be more likely to carry at church. Really, they are essentially the same "soft target" as a theatre, except a CCW'er would likely be in a better state of mind to do something about an attacker (as recent history has shown). The awful shooting at the Sikh temple could have been stopped (if customs allow for firearms on the premises, of course) in the same manner as the attack on that church in Oklahoma, preventing some or all of the tragic deaths of worshippers. And unlike movie theatres, places of worship are more typically the focal point of a hateful, unstable person's rage.

I hear lots of people asking "how can we prevent these shooters from harming others;" I ask how can we limit the damage they can (and inevitably will) cause.

TCB
 
Personally I'd rather have a gun and be able to decide not to use it than not have it and suddenly need it. I just recently replaced my favorite concealed carry gun of all time. The Glock 23C. I already open carry now either an Uberti Cattleman in 45 long Colt or a Ruger New Vaquero with birds head grip in 45 acp. Not in response to anything in particular.
 
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