why don't we see more pump rifles
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oldfool
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The <40" OAL carbine in 30-06 pictured up thread holds 4+1 rounds, I think; that would do for me, but I would prefer the barrel 2" shorter still. If they did one for straight walled 357 cartridges, it just might have a slightly shorter stroke, and a 357 six shooter worn on the hip would provide sufficient extra firepower. Or even a pair in a double shoulder rig.
Mostly though, I would best like a reincarnation of the IMI Timberwolf 16" barrel, although there do seem to be very mixed reviews on 'em from the few who have them.
I was waiting with extreme impatience for Taurus to put out a 357 carbine Thunderbolt, until they did finally release rifle length 45LCs, and I handled one myself. No thanks. The CAS/SASS crowd jumped on 'em pretty quick, but too many of them did so with later regrets. Doggone shame.
(I had given my local FFL a green light to order me a 357 if/when they came out, sight unseen. Good thing they never did. Lesson learned.)
Anybody wants one in 45LC, I wouldn't be surprised if a NIB unfired one is not still sitting in the rifle rack at Sportsman's Village in Cairo, Georgia, with a layer of dust on it.
Like Craig said, seems nobody wants to make one that isn't westernized for CAS, more about style than function.
Mostly though, I would best like a reincarnation of the IMI Timberwolf 16" barrel, although there do seem to be very mixed reviews on 'em from the few who have them.
I was waiting with extreme impatience for Taurus to put out a 357 carbine Thunderbolt, until they did finally release rifle length 45LCs, and I handled one myself. No thanks. The CAS/SASS crowd jumped on 'em pretty quick, but too many of them did so with later regrets. Doggone shame.
(I had given my local FFL a green light to order me a 357 if/when they came out, sight unseen. Good thing they never did. Lesson learned.)
Anybody wants one in 45LC, I wouldn't be surprised if a NIB unfired one is not still sitting in the rifle rack at Sportsman's Village in Cairo, Georgia, with a layer of dust on it.
Like Craig said, seems nobody wants to make one that isn't westernized for CAS, more about style than function.
Jonah71
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My cousin used a .22LR pump when we went squirrel hunting. I really had forgotten about them completely until I saw an old one a couple of months ago. When I was a kid in the early 60's the .22 pumps were found under a lot of Christmas trees. I settled for a single shot bolt action Stevens....but I still got more squirrel than he did.
jerry46
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7600
I keep reading on here that the pump rifles are not accurate and not as fast as a 7400. I have to disagree. I have a Remington 7600 in .308 and it is probably one of the most accurate rifles I have. The first time I shot the gun, I shot a three shot 3/4 inch group at 100 yards. The first two shots were one hole. As for speed, I really think that a person who constantly shoots a Remington pump will shoot it as fast and possibly faster than a semi-auto. The pump is released on the shot and the recoil starts pushing it back. You instinctively push the pump forward as you are again coming on target.......Do I want all pump rifles.........no. I have one pump rifle and so do both of my brothers. They make good alternatives.
I keep reading on here that the pump rifles are not accurate and not as fast as a 7400. I have to disagree. I have a Remington 7600 in .308 and it is probably one of the most accurate rifles I have. The first time I shot the gun, I shot a three shot 3/4 inch group at 100 yards. The first two shots were one hole. As for speed, I really think that a person who constantly shoots a Remington pump will shoot it as fast and possibly faster than a semi-auto. The pump is released on the shot and the recoil starts pushing it back. You instinctively push the pump forward as you are again coming on target.......Do I want all pump rifles.........no. I have one pump rifle and so do both of my brothers. They make good alternatives.
Johnny Lightning
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7600 a great deer/coyote rifle
I have a 7600 in .243 win. on my wish list. In PA it would make a great deer gun and can also work very well as a coyote rifle, especially in .243. If you drive deer during hunting season the deer are often on the move and a quick follow up shot is definately a bonus. I would hunt w/ an AR15 if we were allowed to but that is not the case in PA.
I have a 7600 in .243 win. on my wish list. In PA it would make a great deer gun and can also work very well as a coyote rifle, especially in .243. If you drive deer during hunting season the deer are often on the move and a quick follow up shot is definately a bonus. I would hunt w/ an AR15 if we were allowed to but that is not the case in PA.
I like my 'new to me' pump action rifle;
I've had it out a few times, and am very happy with it, but I haven't posted a range report. I'm waiting until I get the chance to slap a scope on it for some groups. My current work schedule is interfering with that.
I've had it out a few times, and am very happy with it, but I haven't posted a range report. I'm waiting until I get the chance to slap a scope on it for some groups. My current work schedule is interfering with that.
HavelockLEO
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Uhh, pump action rifles arent as accurate as bolt guns
......................I beg to differ....... follow this link.............I'm just say'n.....oh and I own a Remington Model 760 in .30-06 that was passed to me by my Grandfather................pump rifles sold well in PA and other states that dont allow semi-autos for hunting
http://www.remingtonsociety.com/rsa/journals/M760N
......................I beg to differ....... follow this link.............I'm just say'n.....oh and I own a Remington Model 760 in .30-06 that was passed to me by my Grandfather................pump rifles sold well in PA and other states that dont allow semi-autos for huntinghttp://www.remingtonsociety.com/rsa/journals/M760N
Cranky CJ
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I got my dad's Rem 760 in 30-06 and it dates from 1959-62, so said the guy at the pawn shop that dated the serial # for me. I've hit every deer right where I was aiming with it. They are accurate. Today we were shooting our 270 bolt, 300wsm bolt and the 760 pump. There was little difference in the three. The 50 yr old 760 is now a backup gun for hunting but gets as much cleaning and maintenance but slightly less target shooting as the others. I think you can cycle them way way faster than bolts.
Cryogaijin
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I don't know about you all...
... but the .35 whelen 7600 with a topfolding stock is on my short list of useful rifles up here.
... but the .35 whelen 7600 with a topfolding stock is on my short list of useful rifles up here.
oldfool
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"pump action rifles arent as accurate as bolt guns"
yeah, way too broad a paint brush, that one
the 7600s have free floated barrels, I believe, and a locked breech is a locked breech
same as lever actions, falling blocks, bolts, or autos, not all rifles are created equal, not even in same type action
WOW.. I sure like the looks of that one nipprdog !
what caliber ?
LEO only model ?
PS
ahaaa... 7615P in 223 16 1/2" carbine, uses AR mags
http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/7615.htm
(and me... the only kid on my block without a 223.. yep, this could be trouble)
yeah, way too broad a paint brush, that one
the 7600s have free floated barrels, I believe, and a locked breech is a locked breech
same as lever actions, falling blocks, bolts, or autos, not all rifles are created equal, not even in same type action
WOW.. I sure like the looks of that one nipprdog !
what caliber ?
LEO only model ?
PS
ahaaa... 7615P in 223 16 1/2" carbine, uses AR mags
http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/7615.htm
(and me... the only kid on my block without a 223.. yep, this could be trouble)
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Strange Bob
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My 1st new deer caliber rifle was a 7600 in .270. I chose a pump at the time because I was duck hunting a lot and the pump was so instinctive for me. I could easily shoot minute-of-deer with it! I stoopidly sold it and just last year bought a 60's model 760 in ,270 to replace it. The rifle is definitely more accurate than I am.
Plenty of pumps around here in East Texas in the deer woods.
Plenty of pumps around here in East Texas in the deer woods.
Sav .250
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Could be the craze for the AR type, semi auto, many round firing, military
looking rifle has taken over.
Seems like the old school hunter has been replaced by the above. Pumps just don`t have the look or feel of the new modern weapon guys seem to like. Why use a pump with maybe 5-7 rounds when you can carry a weapon
using a clip that can "almost" carry half a box of shells. Fire power! J-sn.
looking rifle has taken over.
Seems like the old school hunter has been replaced by the above. Pumps just don`t have the look or feel of the new modern weapon guys seem to like. Why use a pump with maybe 5-7 rounds when you can carry a weapon
using a clip that can "almost" carry half a box of shells. Fire power! J-sn.
T.R.
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This is my 1976 built model 760-BDL. High comb with cheek piece and basket weave checkering set this rifle apart from the rest. This is a .308 rifle that shoots accurate groups at 200 yards that rival ANY bolt action rifle costing $hundreds more.
Remington pump rifles are KEEPERS!!
Scope is older Simmons 44MAG in 2X- 7X. Sculpted Millett mounts & rings.
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Smokey in PHX
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As I previously mentioned I haven't seen one of these in the woods for a long time. However, last year I mounted new scopes on three of these rifles. Just as a note all shot 1.5 to 2 inch groups at 100 yards.
From PA north through New England and into Canada, these rifles are very popular. Grices gun shop in Clearfield, PA sells a ton of these rifles.
From PA north through New England and into Canada, these rifles are very popular. Grices gun shop in Clearfield, PA sells a ton of these rifles.
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S. Hill
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If you take offense with what I wrote, you missed the first line of my post. There are exceptions to each of these statements, which I acknowledged with the first sentence.
And yes, I admit that I picked up the broad brush!
MD_Willington
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Lots of them in Europe...
If AKs are your thing, sometimes there are the PAR rifles from Romania. Its a Pump Action AK
If AKs are your thing, sometimes there are the PAR rifles from Romania. Its a Pump Action AK
BCRider
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A rather unfairly broad brush I'd say.
Who knows where things would be if the same sort of development given to super accurate bolt guns had been lavished on other action styles. Free floating is doable, bull barrels are doable, the breaches on bolt, lever and pump guns are all able to be locked to a high degree of accuracy and repeatability when built to achieve such goals. On top of this we appear to have seen that there's only a very few pump rifles being produced at at quality levels that may or may not match that of many similarly priced bolt action guns.
Maybe it would be best to the available pump guns to the similarly priced off the shelf bolt guns. Then at least we'd be looking at apples to apples.
Who knows where things would be if the same sort of development given to super accurate bolt guns had been lavished on other action styles. Free floating is doable, bull barrels are doable, the breaches on bolt, lever and pump guns are all able to be locked to a high degree of accuracy and repeatability when built to achieve such goals. On top of this we appear to have seen that there's only a very few pump rifles being produced at at quality levels that may or may not match that of many similarly priced bolt action guns.
Maybe it would be best to the available pump guns to the similarly priced off the shelf bolt guns. Then at least we'd be looking at apples to apples.
nipprdog, I just picked up that same rifle, a Remington 7615 Police, yesterday. It was part of a group if rifles that I believe were police trade-ins. I got the last one of them and am told that they flew out the door. Did yours come with the rail?
sansone
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the only 2 things I do not like about the 7600:
all receivers are long-action,
cleaning from the muzzle end
all receivers are long-action,
cleaning from the muzzle end
CraigC
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Personally, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a better intermediate range coyote rifle than that 7615!
S. Hill
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I don't see the advantage over an AR-15. From a performance standpoint, where does the pump have the edge?
CraigC
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It has an edge in that it's not a semi-auto. Not everybody wants an AR.
moonpie
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right on
+1!
Though we do own an AR15, it is not my first choice for a slim, handy carbine. I favor the Mini-14, and my wife is more of a pump shotgun fan, but rotator cuff issues have made recoil an issue. She read about the 7615, and showed interest. I recently tried to buy her a 7615, but rude Bass Pro Shop employees prompted me to walk out of the place, and I instead bought her a handgun somewhere else. The 7615 is still on my list of probable future purchases.
I have nearly bought a 760, in .30-06, a coupe of times. It may yet happen, if a well-preserved specimen crosses my path again.
Jason_W
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I agree that a pump action carbine chambered in pistol calibers and some other big bore "brush" type cartridges would be pretty cool.
It seems like some of the big bore AR cartridges like the .50 beowulf and .458 SOCOM could be right at home in a compact pump gun. If someone could find a way to keep the fore end from clicking and clacking, it would be a theoretical winner.
Unfortunately, it will never happen due to the nature of the average American gun buyer. I'm not sure why any company makes anything besides heavy bench guns in .308, bolt action deer rifles in some kind of .30 cal magnum, and AR clones in .223.
It seems like some of the big bore AR cartridges like the .50 beowulf and .458 SOCOM could be right at home in a compact pump gun. If someone could find a way to keep the fore end from clicking and clacking, it would be a theoretical winner.
Unfortunately, it will never happen due to the nature of the average American gun buyer. I'm not sure why any company makes anything besides heavy bench guns in .308, bolt action deer rifles in some kind of .30 cal magnum, and AR clones in .223.
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