why don't we see more pump rifles

[mljdeckard]

I grew up with my dad's 760 in .257 Roberts. He said for years that it made him look like a really good shot. The last deer he shot before he passed was with this rifle. I have passed it to my sister, and she is loving it, I plan on doing a restoration project of it and using it forever. It is a fantastic brush rifle.

 

[NYH1]

I just got a new Remington 7600 Carbine 30-06 Spr. I traded my Winchester model 88 308 Win. (lever action) to get the pump. I'm sure glad Remington still makes them. I had a 7600 carbine 30-06 Spr. about 12 years ago and always regretted getting rid of it. It was a shooter. Rethinking my hunting needs lately, I decided that a 7600 carbine would be better as my main deer, hog and black bear gun then the model 88 was.

I have three deer, hog and black bear rifles/carbines-

1- My main gun for 2 to 200 yard hunting, Remington 7600 carbine 30-06 Spr. with a Leupold VX-II 2-7x33mm Scope.

2- My open sight gun for thick brush, deep woods and still hunting where my shots will most likely be 75/100 yards max, Marlin 336C 35 Rem. with XS Ghost Ring Sights.

3- My long range gun for watching fields or where my shots may be longer then 200 yards, Remington 700 Classic 280 Rem. with a Redfield Tracker 3-9x40mm Scope.

The 7600 will be used probably 75% of the time. The 336C will be used pretty much the rest of the time. The 700 will be used every once in a while. Most of my hunting is in the woods so 200 yard plus shots aren't common.

NYH1!

 

[nipprdog]

nipprdog, I just picked up that same rifle, a Remington 7615 Police, yesterday. It was part of a group if rifles that I believe were police trade-ins. I got the last one of them and am told that they flew out the door. Did yours come with the rail?

Yes, it did.

 

[Sulaco]

I've seen plenty of them in the deer woods around here, on the range, in gun racks. Sure, they aren't as popular as bolt action or auto loaders, but they seem to still be out there doing what they do, killing deer.

 

[d2wing]

The 7600 is more related to the 7400 than the 870. Bad 7400's can be converted to 7600's. Both are accurate and will handle larger cartridges than an AR-15.
As far as lever shotguns, a friend of mine as a Winchester lever 12 guage but it's over 100 years old.

 

[22-rimfire]

The Remington 760 and then 7600 and I guess the 750 now are very popular in the PA deer hunting woods. PA does not allow semi-autos and the pump is the next closest thing. Pump shotgun, pump deer rifle... makes perfect sense to me. My Dad had a 760 in 30-06 and it's predacessor in 35 Rem until he sold that one. I don't recall him ever missing. He didn't keep a lot of guns around. Us kids had to buy our own when we were old enough to hunt.

 

[BBDartCA]

Current issue (below) of Guns Magazine has a good article on pump & lever rifles. Dispels some of the myths that pump rifles are not accurate.

http://fmgpublications.ipaperus.com/FMGPublications/GUNS/GUNS1011/?page=56

 

[BBDartCA]

Another good article on pumps here http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/PDF/ri253partial.pdf

 

[Picher]

A good reason to have a pump is that semi-autos are limited to 4-shot magazines in many states, but pumps can have as many as you wish.

I saw the 7600 with the AR magazine, but if they could be had in .243 Win, .308, etc. with larger-capacity magazines, perhaps they would be very popular. I'd prefer one to the Ruger Gunsite rifle, because it's faster on second shots and points very naturally.

If Remington was on top of their game, they'd have a beefed-up "tacticool" version with extended magazines in the calibers mentioned...and a few more.

 

[Red Cent]

"Looks like it would be fun for Cowboy Action Shooting, as it can easily shoot twice as fast as a lever action Winchester type rifle."

Disagree with the statement. It CAN be shot fast but not as accurate fast. When the pumps came out trying to attract the cowboy crowd, few good shooters opted for a pump. You cannot operate the pump fast and not affect the front sight.

Most were purchased for the "cool" factor. No manufacturer built one that would run decently out of the box. Some 'smiths got some to run. Like OF said, miserable.

Haven't sen one on the firing line for some time.

Doesn't all West Virginians use a semi-auto?
Flip over scopemount. High up its gets kinda foggy sometime. I had an 8 point walk behind me one morning. i turned just as he disappeared in the fog. Interesting note. I cannot bench rest this rifle with two or more rounds.

 

[AK_Maine_iac]

Every gun shop i go into, the first thing i ask is do you have any older used Rem 760's in 35Whelen? One of these days i am going to find one. If not i may end up with one in 30.06 and than re-barrel it to 35Whelen.

 

[dprice3844444]

like the pa dude said,can't hunt with a semi in penn.in fla,semi rifle is limited to 5 rounds,no limit on pump or bolt.now if penn wants to have some fun,ptr builds an hk 91 in a pistol version in 308

 

[6x6pinz]

I learned to hunt small game and birds with an 870, so when I went to larger game I picked up a 760 in 30-06 just because of the familiarity with the action. I have since picked up a 7600 in 270 for the longer shots, again for the familiarity. I can remember a hunting trip with freezing rain where the autos froze shut and would not function but my pump worked great, I suspect a bolt would have worked fine also but no one was carrying one.

 

[Storm]

If Remington was on top of their game, they'd have a beefed-up "tacticool" version with extended magazines in the calibers mentioned...and a few more.

I agree. I would love to have one in .308 even though the .223 caliber of the 7615 Police is what attracted me to the gun. The 7615P is a pretty light rifle so I'm not sure how shooting .308 through it would be. I installed a Choate folding stock on mine (after siginificant fitting as gun is based on the 870 lightweight) and while it probably increases the overall weight it makes for a pretty handy rifle easily toted.

BTW, for those of you in the Metro Atlanta area, Adventure Outdoors in Smyrna as of earlier this week had a 7615 Police for $349. This is where I got mine. I was told that they got a group of them in (I assume police trade-ins) and I thought I
had snagged the last of them. There seems to be at least one more.

 

[BigG]

I have a Rem Model 14 Pump Rifle that dates from the 1910's and 20's and chambered in proprietary .32 Remington. It is total machined forgings and is take down so it can fit in a small space. Weighs a ton, though.

 

[AuthorityDenied]

I've been thinking hard about picking up the remington 7615p at my lgs. Seems like it would be a handy little critter/ shtf rifle.

 

[Owen]

There is a pump .22 at my LGS, don't have a .22 rifle yet, thinking about picking it up for under $200.

Do it. Pump .22s are a blast!

 

[nipprdog]

I've been thinking hard about picking up the remington 7615p at my lgs. Seems like it would be a handy little critter/ shtf rifle.

If you didn't already grab it, it's probably gone. In case it's not;

1. Price?

2. Scope rail?

3. Ghost ring rear sight?

4. Stock?

I recently found one for $475 with the rail,ghost ring,box, and manual, in LNIB condition. From what I've seen on Gunbroker and Guns America, I stole it.

I took it last Sunday to a range, for a local forum group "get together/9/11 tribute".

One of the quotes; "It was the fun gun of the day".

 

[Boomie]

I inherited a Remington 760 in .35 Remington (amongst other guns). The thing doesn't look impressive but it runs very reliably and is pretty accurate. It's also very light and points very well. I've not taken it hunting in the years I've had it but if I ever get a chance to hunt hogs I definitely will.

Anyone know where to get extra mags for it? I don't want to carry extra but I get nervous only having one - if it drops and gets lost the gun isn't useful anymore.

 

[Panzercat]

My take:

A pump rifle is going to be almost as complex as a semi-auto but still makes me cycle the action manually. What's the advantage?

Bolt guns are simple and reliable and cheap to make. If you're going to pay more why just not get a self loader?

BSW

Not buyin' it. A pump gun is no more complex than a lever. Shotguns are extremely popular and used for applications requiring accuracy. Likewise, the levergun is alive and well in spite of the bolt action being reliable and cheap.

Frankly, I'm thinking more in the direction of entrenched market through history, not because everything else is so ZOMG superior. Pump guns as non-shotguns never caught on. In fact, if i recall the lore, the Lightning was more or less forced out of the market.

 

[Snowbandit]

I have three of the pump rifles, all Remington. The 572 is .22 LR and gets used the most around the farm and for small game. The 7600 in 30-06 is my favorite deer and elk rifle anymore and an older 760 in 300 Savage does back up duty. Any one of them is more accurate than I am.

 

[pumpgun]

i love my pump guns. this is one of my favorites.

rem 7600 35 whelen factory carbine. rarer than rare.

 

[Hocka Louis]

All Purpose?

If you are looking for a gun that tries to balance the reliabilty of manual cycling with very fast follow-up/firepower, the pumps might be the way to go. Foraging duty? .308 pump and extra-round mags go together well, especially in unknown circumstances!

 

[AK_Maine_iac]

i love my pump guns. this is one of my favorites.

rem 7600 35 whelen factory carbine. rarer than rare.

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I am jealous............

 

[DM~]

I didn't read all the answers here, but i've seen pump rifles built in everything from .223 on up to and includeing magnum cartridges. What more do you want???

DM