Why no pump rifles?

[Hookeye]

The "market"....

is a silly thing.

Check an auction site and see what a 760/7600 regular is going for.

Is that pricing due to Big Green no longer making them (perceived collector value)..... maybe nostalgia.....or something else?

How many 870 and 700s are out there? How much new stuff does the market need?
Used guns don't really evaporate.

Know I don't want or need a new 870 or 700. And my 760 from 1963 runs great.
Am not a collector and have downsized.

Which actually puts me more in the market for a 7600.
A .308 synth rig for a "do all".

BTW, Cerberus hosed Big Green. Recovery from that....may never happen.
Last listing on Sportsmans Warehouse had 7600 (no longer avail) at over 900 bucks.

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting...ction-rifle-30-06-springfield-185in/p/1707688

Wow, Big Green makes the 700 again............and in 6.5 CM too!
Big whoop dee doo. 700 and 870 standard models..........IMHO aint gonna save em.

Only 870 I'm interested in, is a 20 ga Special Field. And GB prices are pushing a grand.

For a used 870.

I said screw it and got a new Browning Citori LOL

 

[Hookeye]

Another thing on market.....

Lesser margin on higher volume?
Or more on less?

Restarting Remington........machine type and availability?
Maybe 700 and 870 tooling was in good shape and ready to go.
Or they invested in new but just for those.

870 and 700 models may be the "walk before they can run".

If Rem does well with those, then maybe they will do other models.

Also..............how many hunters and shooters are getting older and downsizing?
How do auction sites and the web in general affect the market?

Used to be regional influence was a thing....................not any more!

 

[Chuck R.]

The "market"....

is a silly thing.

Check an auction site and see what a 760/7600 regular is going for.

Is that pricing due to Big Green no longer making them (perceived collector value)..... maybe nostalgia.....or something else?

How many 870 and 700s are out there? How much new stuff does the market need?
Used guns don't really evaporate.

Know I don't want or need a new 870 or 700. And my 760 from 1963 runs great.
Am not a collector and have downsized.

Which actually puts me more in the market for a 7600.
A .308 synth rig for a "do all".

BTW, Cerberus hosed Big Green. Recovery from that....may never happen.
Last listing on Sportsmans Warehouse had 7600 (no longer avail) at over 900 bucks.

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting...ction-rifle-30-06-springfield-185in/p/1707688

Wow, Big Green makes the 700 again............and in 6.5 CM too!
Big whoop dee doo. 700 and 870 standard models..........IMHO aint gonna save em.

Only 870 I'm interested in, is a 20 ga Special Field. And GB prices are pushing a grand.

For a used 870.

I said screw it and got a new Browning Citori LOL

I agree.

I've been looking for a 760/7600 for a while to bore out to a .35 "something" and cut down to be a carbine, just for the heck of it to use on drives. I've lost out on 7 or 8 auctions (so far) when they went above $1K, which was more than I want to put into a rifle I was then going to heavily modify.

I spent the last couple weeks working an exercise in PA, home of the so called " Amish Machine Guns". I must have hit every gun shop in a 50 mile radius looking for one. The couple I did find were all over the $1K mark.

I still have an alert set on GB with daily Emails, so I'm literally watching every 760/7600 that goes on auction there. For a non-popular, antiquated design, for some perverse reason they command a premium. There's one forum I belong to that has a thread dedicated to pump rifles and deer hunting. By last count it's up to 136 pages, 2717 posts and has been alive since 2015.

Some guys at least like the things. I'm not giving up yet, but a lightweight BLR in .358Win is looking better every day..

 

[Hookeye]

Ive posted on that other forum's thread.
Kinda like my 760 .35 rem.

Wanted a Grice carbine 7600 synth but they were pushing a K before things went silly.

Alas, I still want a Ruger #1A or RSI done in
35 rem.

 

[Gun-Reck]

I like Remington 1100s just fine. Do help when doing triples on doves and geese (compared to 870) LOL

Back when I was younger, 1100s were a lb heavier and $100 bucks more.
THOSE seemed to be the major reasons why folks went with 870s.

I still have an 1100 Magnum, it runs non magnum stuff fine if lead and 1200 FPS or more.

IMHO, people tend to have issues w semis due to poor maintenance or ammo.
Or poor technique.

I had a 742 that ran and shot fine. Sold it to a big guy, and he said it jammed, w same ammo that ran fine for me.
Went to the range and indeed, I ripped em off without issue.

He was big, and soft. My guess is pillowy shoulder caused his problem.

Have 870 Wingmasters in both 12 and 20 ga.

Actions slick as glass.

Easy to maintain, too - they field strip down to five(5) pieces, receiver/barrel/bolt/bolt carrier/pump.

Would really like a rifle just like them, and am disappointed that they are not currently available in quality/quantity.

 

[Hookeye]

My beef w an 1100 is the weight. Not mechanical complexity or reliability.

Run and gun turkey 1st day w my 1100 SP, switched to 870 Supermag the next day LOL

Big difference between being 40 and being 60 !

 

[J-Bar]

If pump rifles were more stable and accurate than lever actions, we would see them used by the cowboy action shooting champions in the major matches.

But we don't.

1873s and an occasional 1866 win the matches.

 

[Varminterror]

It was not the market that selected them for extinction but simple corporate policy not to manufacture something they cannot sell for their preset profit margin. Pump guns by their nature contain more parts and are more expensive to manufacture. It is that simple.

This is like saying, “Wooly mammoths weren’t poorly suited to survive as the ice age ended, but simple global climate change which stopped them from living.”

Pump guns didn’t perform well enough against competing designs for consumers to pay the price necessary to make their manufacture profitable, so they died. It just is what it is - I love shooting all kinds of firearms, but like Col. Whelen said, “only accurate guns are interesting,” and as much subjective fun as they were, folks standing in front of a rack, looking at an $700 pump rifle, a $450 levergun, a $350 AR, and a $250 bolt gun - with the spectrum of precision improving significantly at the back end of that list, it’s natural to see why they went extinct.

Leverguns, pump guns, stock mounted tube mags, gallery guns, single shot break actions, tang mounted ladder sights, manual transmissions, floorboard highbeam controls, all kinds of stuff I like has gone extinct. Call it Darwinism, call it Capitalism, but the laws of nature are what they are.

 

[Varminterror]

If pump rifles were more stable and accurate than lever actions, we would see them used by the cowboy action shooting champions in the major matches.

But we don't.

1873s and an occasional 1866 win the matches.

I shot a Lightning and a Thunderbolt Clone for a short time - the targets are big, it’s speed that wins, and pump guns aren’t faster, AND choking on rounds left and right REALLY isn’t fast. I messed with the Lightning for a long time (a smith myself), replaced and rebuilt a lot of parts, sent it out for more work, and it still couldn’t run as fast and as reliably as my ‘66.

And acknowledging further my own subjective preferences - I enjoyed shooting Warthog loads from my 44mag Marlin and Vaqueros considerably more than I did shooting mousephart 38 loads from my ‘66 and 32H&R Single Sixes. But, objectively, I was MUCH faster with my “gamer kit” than with my modern model set.

 

[9x56MS]

Ive posted on that other forum's thread.
Kinda like my 760 .35 rem.

Wanted a Grice carbine 7600 synth but they were pushing a K before things went silly.

Alas, I still want a Ruger #1A or RSI done in
35 rem.

Remington did make the 600 in 35 rem but not very many of them.

 

[InTheSwamp]

The "market"....

is a silly thing.

It's the silly thing that dictates what sells or not.

 

[Gun-Reck]

From what have seen from the RemArms FieldMasters and their reception, would expect a 7600 rifle version to follow.

 

[Hookeye]

Remington did make the 600 in 35 rem but not very many of them.

They did the Model 7 in a few versions too. IIRC even a KS.

I think the .35 rem a 150 yd and under cartridge, good for woods hunting whitetails. Within that, a pump gun seems to be the choice.

Think a .35 Whelen would be a cool dark timber elk rig .

 

[Hookeye]

It's the silly thing that dictates what sells or not.

Yup. Lots of junk seem rather popular.
Flood of cheap stuff, domestic and imported.

 

[Hookeye]

BTW found a Grice 7600.synth carbine .35 rem today online. Supercool but not cheap.

Have a 760 that shoots around 1 moa w Hornady factory ammo.

Rather have a custom #1 RSI if gonna go 35 rem crazy LOL

 

[9x56MS]

BTW found a Grice 7600.synth carbine .35 rem today online. Supercool but not cheap.

Have a 760 that shoots around 1 moa w Hornady factory ammo.

Rather have a custom #1 RSI if gonna go 35 rem crazy LOL

Never seen a cheap 35 Whelan of any kind.

 

[film495]

when shooting galleries were a thing, pump rifles owned shooting galleries. must have been a reason.