Why I don't trust a Glock

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You really think a manual safety is so much of a complicated mechanism that only someone well-trained with the weapon will be able to manipulate it?
It could easily befuddle someone who's never shot anything but a Glock Fo-tay. I gave a friend--smart guy, knew revolvers and 1911s--a P7 once without instruction (unloaded, pointed safely) and asked him to make it go click. He'd never seen one before. It took him a full minute. And of course he dropped the mag first. :D

To me, the worst thing about Glocks is the "pull the trigger to disassemble" feature. The disassembly directions should read:

  1. Check that the magazine is out of the gun, and that the chamber is empty.
  2. Now, check it again. I mean it. Carefully, this time!
  3. ....[etc.]
 
Why not put a Cominolli Safety on it? Joe Cominolli makes a "1911 like" thumb safety for glock pistols. I have used one on a g27 I owned and they are marvelous devices. Good luck in your handgunning, Mick

glocks don't need safeties. use the one between your ears.
 
seriously... these discussions illustrate exactly why there are thousands of handgun designs available out there. Find one you like and move on.
 
That's true, unless I'm the unfortunate victim of someone else's negligent discharge, then I'd really wish that pistol had 8 safeties and a lock

Or better yet, wish that the pistol had an owner that simply observed the 4 rules.

We could start blaming the inanimate objects instead of the owner and requiring more safety devices...wait...california already tried that and it doesn't work... :neener:
 
That's true, unless I'm the unfortunate victim of someone else's negligent discharge, then I'd really wish that pistol had 8 safeties and a lock

It's not the number of safeties or locks that prevents ND's .......
 
That's true, unless I'm the unfortunate victim of someone else's negligent discharge, then I'd really wish that pistol had 8 safeties and a lock

yeah, you're right. that's why 1911's never have ND. EVAAAAAR. :rolleyes:

if you don't like glocks for whatever reason, fine. don't try to tell me they're unsafe because they go off when the trigger is pulled. and safeties wouldn't stop NDs. if a person is untrained enough to have an ND, who's to say that they would be trained enough to remember to put the safety on?
 
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Well, we will never know since it's impossible to know why something didn't happen.
Sort of like saying "I've created or saved a million jobs!"

Right now I'm on the Obama diet, I've lost or not gained 200 pounds.
 
I agree with the OP. That incident would have been much less likely with a DA/safety gun.

If you're not smart enough to use a safety you shouldn't be carrying a gun.
 
More items than a finger can depress a trigger. Its not unheard of at police qualification shoots when a stray raid jacket drawstring gets hooked upon holstering. That's not included in the four rules.

Thumb and grip safeties reduce that threat.
 
Glock owns the police market. Ask yourself why this is. OK, I'll tell you. Because administrators are interested in many things, among them, costs. But there is one thing they are more interested in than anything else. More than officer safety. More than public safety. More than criminals being deterred. This one thing that matters to them? LIABILITY. IF Glocks were more dangerous, if they were prone to more accidents, if they were not easy to train people with, if they were not predictable and safe, THEY WOULDN'T USE THEM. If you hate Glocks that's just fine. But don't pretend that they are unsafe, inaccurate, melt, ruin breakfast, scare the dog, or whatever other stories seem to be made up about them. What is this thread, number 700 in a series?
 
If you're not smart enough to use a safety you shouldn't be carrying a gun.

If you are not smart enough to know how to carry a gun safely without a safety, you shouldn't be carrying or owning a gun

The safety is between your ears and no place else
 
yeah, you're right. that's why 1911's never have ND. EVAAAAAR. :rolleyes:

if you don't like glocks for whatever reason, fine. don't try to tell me they're unsafe because they go off when the trigger is pulled. and safeties wouldn't stop NDs. if a person is untrained enough to have an ND, who's to say that they would be trained enough to remember to put the safety on?
Not trying to tell you anything. And I have nothing against Glock pistols. I've as much as stipulated that I, personally, don't feel safe carrying one, and I don't carry one accordingly.

But, if we go back to the original link wherein the Glock was negligently discharged by an apparently untrained owner, is it conceivable that an engaged manual safety, or an opposing force safety (a la XD), have prevented a ND?

Viewed though the eyes of the victim, that doesn't seem like an unreasonable question to ask, I think.
 
There's always a way to make sure a gun doesn't go off when the trigger is pulled. Unload it, put it in a locked case, then put that case in a safe. If you treat a Glock this way they are most always safe.

I don't know what else to say. They function as double action revolvers with semi auto properties. No safety there either. Some folks will never accept them. But as I said, if there were LIABILITY or SAFETY issues, no police agency would use them. There aren't, and they do.
 
I Know because...

The Handgun in question was a 9mm Glock with an adjusted 3 1/2 trigger pull. How do I know this? I know this because;

Did I own the gun? Had I ever handled the gun before? Did I know the gun was loaded? Did I know the safety was off? ...NO... to all the above.

Have I ever handled firearms before and do I know about Firearms Safety? ...YES... to that.

I did NOT drop the handgun! I was told the handgun was Unloaded, so naturally when I picked it up from the Lockbox, the extra weight caught me a little by surprise. I had the handgun in my hand, at an angle to the floor away from me and turned it to one side looking for the safety, clip release, something. As I turned the handgun to the other side looking for the same it STARTED to slip from my hand.

A persons instinct when something starts to 'Slip' from their grasp, is to Clench their hand. As in the case where you reach for a glass of water, have your hand and fingers actually touching it, around it, but somehow the glass still slips from your grasp.

Received a Court Summons yesterday, court date is soon with an attached $500.00 ticket. I have never been in criminal court before (Never even had a speeding ticket), and I am not looking forward to it... not to mention the fact that I Lost My Job earlier this month... It has been a BAD month!.

What happened was NOT a 'Mistake', it was an 'Accident'...there is a difference between the two. Not looking for comments, sympathy, empathy... Just telling the story and I'm Sticking To It!!!

RamDragon64
 
I always felt my Glock erred on the side of being easier to fire than not, which could be a good thing in many circumstances I suppose. It's the main reason I sold it, not because it wouldn't go bang when needed, more about going bang when not needed.


I've never owned or shot a glock but I do have a Kahr CW9 and feel the same way about it's trigger. The trigger pull is very light weight and it does make the gun more dangerous. I've heard all the arguments about the user being the problem but no one's perfect and I want every safety advantage I can get.

One of my primary carries is a Sig P250 sub compact. Very long trigger pull which makes the gun much safer than a glock.
 
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But, if we go back to the original link wherein the Glock was negligently discharged by an apparently untrained owner, is it conceivable that an engaged manual safety, or an opposing force safety (a la XD), have prevented a ND?

Viewed though the eyes of the victim, that doesn't seem like an unreasonable question to ask, I think.

That is how we end up with unneeded items like giant loaded chamber indicators on rugers, magazine disconnects, locks on revolvers and on and on and on.

Follow the 4 rules and everything works out for the best.

I think smith and wesson has a good model for their m&p line. You can get one with a thumb safety and a mag disconnect if it makes you sleep better at night, or you can order one with no safety and no mag disconnect.
 
The Handgun in question was a 9mm Glock with an adjusted 3 1/2 trigger pull. How do I know this? I know this because;

Did I own the gun? Had I ever handled the gun before? Did I know the gun was loaded? Did I know the safety was off? ...NO... to all the above.

Have I ever handled firearms before and do I know about Firearms Safety? ...YES... to that.

I did NOT drop the handgun! I was told the handgun was Unloaded, so naturally when I picked it up from the Lockbox, the extra weight caught me a little by surprise. I had the handgun in my hand, at an angle to the floor away from me and turned it to one side looking for the safety, clip release, something. As I turned the handgun to the other side looking for the same it STARTED to slip from my hand.

A persons instinct when something starts to 'Slip' from their grasp, is to Clench their hand. As in the case where you reach for a glass of water, have your hand and fingers actually touching it, around it, but somehow the glass still slips from your grasp.

Received a Court Summons yesterday, court date is soon with an attached $500.00 ticket. I have never been in criminal court before (Never even had a speeding ticket), and I am not looking forward to it... not to mention the fact that I Lost My Job earlier this month... It has been a BAD month!.

What happened was NOT a 'Mistake', it was an 'Accident'...there is a difference between the two. Not looking for comments, sympathy, empathy... Just telling the story and I'm Sticking To It!!!

RamDragon64

You are going to get comments, but you don't have to worry about the sympathy or empathy part.

You still made several mistakes. The main of which being that you finger was inside the trigger guard. That thing could have had a 1lb trigger, still wont go off if your finger was in the right place.

By the sounds of your story, you are not familiar with pistols at all. You should not have handled a weapon that you do not know how to operate. As far as someone telling you that it was unloaded, you never take that as a fact. All guns are always loaded. I myself will not take possession of a weapon from somebody if they have not cleared it in front of me first. If they try to hand it to me to "check it out" without checking its condition, I will refuse it and ask them to check. When they check and hand it to me, I check it again myself.
 
There's always a way to make sure a gun doesn't go off when the trigger is pulled. Unload it, put it in a locked case, then put that case in a safe. If you treat a Glock this way they are most always safe.

I don't know what else to say. They function as double action revolvers with semi auto properties. No safety there either. Some folks will never accept them. But as I said, if there were LIABILITY or SAFETY issues, no police agency would use them. There aren't, and they do.
I agree that police departments would not deploy Glock pistols as widely as they do if they were inherently unsafe.

I don't know precisely what firearms training police officers undergo before being turned loose on the job, but, just from what I've overheard at the range, it sounds like they receive extensive training and must qualify before they are ready for the field.

Now lets examine the minimum qualifications for lawfully owning and carrying a Glock, or any other handgun, just like a trained police officer does, in Washington State, lets name him Jon Doe and assume he's never owned or handled a handgun:

Jon must be an adult and a resident of WA.
He must have a clean, or laundered, criminal record.
He needs to have about $600 to buy the gun, holster and ammo.
He needs exactly 5 days of patience while the background check clears.

So, there is a chasm of Grand Canyon proportions between these two individuals when it comes to firearms proficiency.

Whereas an additional safety on a service pistol may be a hindrance or even a life-loser for a policeman, it may also be the one thing that keeps Jon Doe out of trouble, assuming he's smart enough to use it.

And of course, this is not an either-or scenario, it's a continuum, heck, some members here may even be better trained and more proficient than police officers.
 
What happened was NOT a 'Mistake', it was an 'Accident'...there is a difference between the two. Not looking for comments, sympathy, empathy... Just telling the story and I'm Sticking To It!!!
I've made similar mistakes, they are mistakes. It was an accident if the end user had no way to be blamed. Few things in life are accidents. Consider it an accident if you will, but there was contributory negligence attached. Been there. :)

The main of which being that you finger was inside the trigger guard. That thing could have had a 1lb trigger, still wont go off if your finger was in the right place.
I agree totally. EDIT:: Or it could have a 20lb trigger...same ending, it won't go off without a finger or other object in the trigger guard.

A persons instinct when something starts to 'Slip' from their grasp, is to Clench their hand. As in the case where you reach for a glass of water, have your hand and fingers actually touching it, around it, but somehow the glass still slips from your grasp.
I disagree. When something slips, I let it slip. Better to let it fall and pick it up. No matter if it is a knife, a gun or a glass of water.

Myself said:
1. A falling knife has no handle.
2. A falling gun has 1,000,000 triggers.

(If it falls, let it fall...just pick it up...catching it is a recipe for disaster.)

Been there, done that and I have the scars to prove it. Thankful that I'm the only one with the scars to tell the story in my case. :)
 
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All a deliberate shooter will ever need is the safety between their ears; but a firearm can't be built with enough safeties to prevent an idiot from shooting themselves or someone else 'accidentally'. You could put a combination lock and a bike chain on the thing, and some moron would still manage to 'accidentally' fire it.
 
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