R.W.Dale
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So do mine. Let me know how that worked out for us after this shakes down.
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So do mine. Let me know how that worked out for us after this shakes down.
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blaisenguns
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At the press conference with the Sherrif, he said it was used. I have no citation for that. Later on I heard on CNN it was a 30rd mag, but that could be false.
slim76
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Rocketmedic I disagree with you because you are wrong on this issue.
Right now a man may be planning on running over his ex with his car when she leaves for work Monday. Evil and tragic if carried out. But I'm not responsible because I also own a car. I don't need to be punished and have my rights restricted because of his evil actions.
A guy in China killed 20 some kids with a knife at an elementary school. I own knives. It would be evil to punish me for his evil deed. It would be evil to punish a law-abiding good person like me because of the evil that other people do in this world. It would be wrong and evil and terrible tragedy to infringe on my god-given inalienable rights to let some people feel like they were making a difference...when they really aren't.
You don't have the right infringe on my rights to make yourself feel better, until the next crazy person commits a crime. You seem to think I should feel some sort of guilt about this tragedy. Why would I? I wasn't involved.
Right now a man may be planning on running over his ex with his car when she leaves for work Monday. Evil and tragic if carried out. But I'm not responsible because I also own a car. I don't need to be punished and have my rights restricted because of his evil actions.
A guy in China killed 20 some kids with a knife at an elementary school. I own knives. It would be evil to punish me for his evil deed. It would be evil to punish a law-abiding good person like me because of the evil that other people do in this world. It would be wrong and evil and terrible tragedy to infringe on my god-given inalienable rights to let some people feel like they were making a difference...when they really aren't.
You don't have the right infringe on my rights to make yourself feel better, until the next crazy person commits a crime. You seem to think I should feel some sort of guilt about this tragedy. Why would I? I wasn't involved.
Sam1911
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I do not believe that. You're basically claiming that 99% of women are completely irrational, as we agree that gun control couldn't and can't solve this kind of problem. So you're saying that over 158,000,000 women can't think that through?
Deanimator
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Indeed they do.
The voice of pro-gun lobbyists are the loudest and most powerful voice we have. If you keep donating, they will keep fighting. Anything posted here is just hot air.
Rocketmedic
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Do you seriously think the NRA will be able to stand against the political opinion of the majority of Americans? No.
They will take the money of ostriches like Deanimator and go with the winds of change to preserve the 2nd Amendment and their own power. Their lobbyists and Congressmen will bargain and agree to do something, because the alternative is to be seen doing nothing, and twenty dead kindergartners, VT, Aurora and Columbine are going to be haunting the halls of Congress for a good long while.
Deanimator will pay to make me right, and when that day comes that the AWB is made permanent and so many of you complain and bemoan the fates of your ARs, high-capacity magazines and "easy" gun-buys, some of us will remind you that you refused a seat at the table, refused to acknowledge change, and refused to adapt, and thus saw your right to keep and bear arms die.
Compromise is the only option. Did the dinosaurs who stood fast when the asteroid hit survive?
They will take the money of ostriches like Deanimator and go with the winds of change to preserve the 2nd Amendment and their own power. Their lobbyists and Congressmen will bargain and agree to do something, because the alternative is to be seen doing nothing, and twenty dead kindergartners, VT, Aurora and Columbine are going to be haunting the halls of Congress for a good long while.
Deanimator will pay to make me right, and when that day comes that the AWB is made permanent and so many of you complain and bemoan the fates of your ARs, high-capacity magazines and "easy" gun-buys, some of us will remind you that you refused a seat at the table, refused to acknowledge change, and refused to adapt, and thus saw your right to keep and bear arms die.
Compromise is the only option. Did the dinosaurs who stood fast when the asteroid hit survive?
R.W.Dale
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Do you believe that a majority of these women think the current situation is completely satisfactory? Do you think the status quo is just fine?
Come on Sam you're a sharp cookie look past the idealistic rhetoric and look at the BIG picture. Your and my views ARE NOT the only rational ones. Just cause they are for us doesn't mean it is for everyone
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Rocketmedic
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*The death toll in the China attack on the same day was 0. Lots of injuries, some serious, but none killed.
@ Sam. That building was a fire trap. Could that same operation have succeeded at Sandy Hook? I doubt it.
There is no perfect fix, but if we clean our house and present a socially-acceptable front to the American people, we may not lose what we have fought so hard for. I'll trade high-capacity magazines for universal CCW- would you?
@ Sam. That building was a fire trap. Could that same operation have succeeded at Sandy Hook? I doubt it.
There is no perfect fix, but if we clean our house and present a socially-acceptable front to the American people, we may not lose what we have fought so hard for. I'll trade high-capacity magazines for universal CCW- would you?
R.W.Dale
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Are you really naive enough to believe the court isn't influenced by popular opinion too?
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Deanimator
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You would be utterly astonished at just HOW misogynistic the average anti-gunner is.
Back in the '90s, there was a Brit in usenet who stated that women shouldn't be allowed to carry guns because he was afraid that he'd be "mistaken for a rapist" and shot. I replied:
"How is it that you act around strange women that you could EVER be 'mistaken' for a rapist? My advice to you is to put down that butcher knife and pull up your pants. Do that and you'll be just fine."
As I said elsewhere, one of the keys to winning this war is giving the anti-gunners every possible opportunity to be themselves. Then just shine a million candlepower spotlight on them every chance you get.
blaisenguns
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Dude!! Seriously? How is that even aplicable? I like dinsaurs too, but that was an act of NATURE. You cant compromise with Nature. The subject is about men, and what we and our contemporaries may do.
Deanimator
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I'm not trading ANYTHING for ANYTHING.
But it's a moot point anyway, since those to whom you would capitulate would NEVER assent to "universal" SHALL ISSUE CCW.
But you already know that, DON'T you?
I have learned from experience where the power lies.
slim76
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Rocketmedic:
Never compromise with people who are wrong. That's a bad idea.
I'm supposed to compromise on the 2nd Amendment when that exact compromise will in effect destroy the 2nd Amendment.
But that's really what this is about, isn't it.
No, I'd rather march on Washington first.
Talk to my representatives.
Remind them who they represent. Have some nonviolent sit-ins. That sort of thing
Never compromise with people who are wrong. That's a bad idea.
I'm supposed to compromise on the 2nd Amendment when that exact compromise will in effect destroy the 2nd Amendment.
But that's really what this is about, isn't it.
No, I'd rather march on Washington first.
Talk to my representatives.
Remind them who they represent. Have some nonviolent sit-ins. That sort of thing
The Bushmaster that he left in his car?
You have a picture of it that you looked at? Link to that please?
RX-178
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(Bold added for emphasis)
The major flaw in this logic is the belief that this crime was committed with just 10 minutes of prep time.
Mass murderers do not just 'snap' and burst into the nearest school guns blazing. They develop delusional fantasies that they play back in their minds over and over, for weeks, months, and even years. They begin to plan out their fantasy, and some even start to gather at least the initial materials necessary to carry out their fantasy. They probably don't know that they are eventually going to kill, some of them might even be telling themselves 'but I'll never actually do it'.
They start effectively performing surveillance (even by something as simple as walking, or driving by more often), determining when and where is the best time for their fantasy to take place.
The 'snap' is just the moment that the killer makes the decision: NOW is the time.
Mass murderers display patience, intelligence, and methodical planning when they decide to take the lives of innocents.
Sam1911
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OMG! That's AWESOME! Rocketmedic, can I steal that for my sig line?
I'll admit, debating with you is frustrating, but that line almost makes it all worth the effort. That's a gift! I don't think I'll ever forget that gem!
Gotta hear John Belushi intoning that as part of his famous speech about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor...
BEAUTIFUL!
Comedy gold!
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The problem is threefold.
Any gunowner is automatically seen as dangerous/evil. Period. If Fred Rogers (RIP) buys a Ruger 10/22, they'll want tsa agents in the land of make believe. The problem is perception. Forty years ago, people could drive to their high schools with their hunting rifle in their truck window. What has changed?
Second, I'm sure thy would love to have us at the table...as long as we agree with their proposals. When we try to hold our ground, they'll wave these children's corpses in our faces and call us heartless. We all ((I hope)) wish that this never would have happened, but it did...and we know that no gun law will prevent a future incident, and will only hurt law abidiing citizens.
Finally, as many people are pointing out, we need to figure out how to stop the crazy. We can't. We could invade people's privacy with invasive medical tests and psychology exams...violating our rights. Their rights. Also, consider...who's to say that the desire to own a gun isn't branded as crazy?
Any gunowner is automatically seen as dangerous/evil. Period. If Fred Rogers (RIP) buys a Ruger 10/22, they'll want tsa agents in the land of make believe. The problem is perception. Forty years ago, people could drive to their high schools with their hunting rifle in their truck window. What has changed?
Second, I'm sure thy would love to have us at the table...as long as we agree with their proposals. When we try to hold our ground, they'll wave these children's corpses in our faces and call us heartless. We all ((I hope)) wish that this never would have happened, but it did...and we know that no gun law will prevent a future incident, and will only hurt law abidiing citizens.
Finally, as many people are pointing out, we need to figure out how to stop the crazy. We can't. We could invade people's privacy with invasive medical tests and psychology exams...violating our rights. Their rights. Also, consider...who's to say that the desire to own a gun isn't branded as crazy?
Rocketmedic
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And the reaction will be the same- will those of us who trot out the 1994 talking points be able to stand before the bodies of those kids and point out how more guns in an elementary school could have helped? Will you even get the chance to open your mouths before you are booed out of the debate?
Mark my words. Without compromise, we will be irrelevant. We will lose concealed and open-carry, we will lose high-capacity magazines, we will lose "assault weapons". We will probably lose semi-automatic fire and detachable magazines. We may lose handguns and rifles.
Doubt it? Ask an Australian or a Brit or a New Zealander. Ask a German.
People who are willing to compromise are the only shot at life the 2nd Amendment has.
Mark my words. Without compromise, we will be irrelevant. We will lose concealed and open-carry, we will lose high-capacity magazines, we will lose "assault weapons". We will probably lose semi-automatic fire and detachable magazines. We may lose handguns and rifles.
Doubt it? Ask an Australian or a Brit or a New Zealander. Ask a German.
People who are willing to compromise are the only shot at life the 2nd Amendment has.
Rocketmedic
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The Bushmaster that fired the same rounds that killed those children? Yeah, that one. Per the ME.
krupparms
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To those of you don't understand how things work! POTIUS Issues illegal gun ban & and then what? Do you not read or understand the 2amd. The People would not go along with it! BARAK OBAMA DOSE NOT WANT TO GO DOWN AS THE PRESIDENT WHO STARTED THE War between the government & The People! He may not be the best president we have had but he is not insane! You have gone over the edge if you believe that nonsense! Sorry just the truth! And JMO!
That is far from definitive at this time.
You are going off half cocked before the actual facts of the case, RE: Firearms used, have been publicly released
Also, you said they "looked to be" 30 round magazines.
On what are you basing that?
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