zoom6zoom said:
Hell no. And I believe it's illegal for them to ask for your social, too.
Even if I didn't give them my social on the form, the university police have access to the school's computer database and can look it up in 2 seconds going off my name.
akodo said:
I too believe it is illegal for a government entity to require a SSN that isn't directly related to putting money into SS or taking it out, and illegal for a private entity to demand the same. They can ask, but cannot refuse based on it's absence.
Simply write "This form is in violation fo the law" on it and turn it in.
Or simply fill out the form with the parts you want, and leave the parts you disagree with blank, which would include SSN and serial number of firearm
Ha, when I picked up the form, the only specific thing they said was "Make sure you get the serial number."
Prince Yamato said:
Yeah, sure. The reason they want you to register is for security. If someone goes on a rampage while you are walking to and from the shooting range and you are somehow caught up in the middle of something and brought in (and you have a gun on you) they can look at their records and say, "oh, this guy was going to the indoor gun range. He goes there frequently." No, it's not 100% fool-proof, but it's not total infringement either. Relax.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Ben Franklin
The range is only open Mondays and Thursdays 7-9 PM so it would be rare to have an active shooter on campus then. The campus is deserted so there would be no victims.
Prince Yamato said:
Think of it this way, you can actually carry a gun and fire a loaded gun "on campus" now.
I can already do that and just rent one of their guns. I've done that half a dozen times. The registration is for privately owned firearms.
JImbothefiveth said:
I think I would in this case. That said, you just have to register the guns you're going to use, right?
Right, just the ones you want to take to the range. Not every one you own.
Eightball said:
No, I would not. Their draconian "rules" and BS policies would more than answer the question for me. I'm not handing out sensitive personal information to campus weenies on a power trip because they wear a shirt that says "SECURITY" on it, and I'm even less keen on providing that info to a wannabe police force--they're the LAST people who would need to know anything about me or my firearms, as they'd be the FIRST people to turn over that info, IMO.
The more I read posts like this the more strongly I feel with going with my gut: HELL NO. It's gonna warm up in a month or two and there's a few outdoor ranges within 30 minutes. Indoor ranges less than an hour.
They're not campus weenies (well, who am I to say), they're fully sworn police, and since it's a state university, the university police have a little more jurisdiction than even the local police do. It's just the general "attitude" that I get is what turns me off.
I mean, I understand the liability and Cover-Your-Ass type stuff angle, but my libertarian leanings really don't wanna sacrifice my privacy for this.
I think my final answer is I'll still use the campus range every now and then but only go there to rent
their guns (free, just gotta buy their ammo or bring your own). That way I can still keep 100% of my privacy but still get some practice in. I've actually been driving 45-90 minutes to good ranges, so I still have options and the desire to practice.