Would You Stay Or Go?

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I did my one retreat and regroup when we left California and ended up in Texas.

I don't have another move in me. So at that point I'll fight it out. Depends on your current situation.
 
All I can say is that I sure hope as many people stay as possible. If all of us retreat every time an election cycle goes against us, pretty soon we'll have no chance of a majority of non-gun-antagonistic people in either house of congress. It's best for our rights (and democracy as a whole) to keep as many states and congressional districts purple as possible.
 
I’d probably fight for a period and see what happens. But my job is located 10 minutes from Kentucky and 30 minutes from Indiana, so I have other options and would still be able to stay close to family and work if Ohio ever went anti-gun. That's about as far as I'd be willing to move though.
 
I have a 13 year old and two 10 year old kids. College $$$ is on the horizon for them all.

My wife can’t retire for at least another 15 years. If she leaves now and heads to a “free State” she will make 1/3 her current salary-benefit package. If I move, it’s 1/4.

I’m stuck here watching my gun rights disappear, my tax rates soar, the electricity rationed in the summer and gas in the winter (“Flex-alerts”), my commute times stretch, my gasoline prices approach Hawaiian levels, the sanctuary state run by San Francisco liberals tossing out more bones to felons, illegals and the dregs all on the taxpayers backs and my overall quality of life deteriorate...until I’m able to pull it all up and move. When I can, I will.

Stay positive! :thumbup:
 
I'm going to sounds nuts to just about everyone here, but I am from Tennessee and I have thought about moving out west maybe even to California. While I do enjoy Tennessee's wilderness, the west has some of the best national parks our country has to offer and I would love to live closer to them. I am also growing to dislike small town Tennessee life. It used to be our motto could be "more cows than people", but now you can describe most of small town middle Tennessee more clearly by saying "more methheads than regular folk." The fact that I have a BS and may be about to start an MA program is also wasted here since the highest paid people in my county are Walmart managers (seriously, average annual income for my county is around $18,000 and a friend of mine is making $70,000 a year as a Walmart co-manager). I am a heavy supporter of the second amendment and would love to see everywhere be at least as pro RKBA as Tennessee, but I could live somewhere that is not if there are other reasons to be there and small town Tennessee is getting worse and worse.
 
6.8KT said:
Seems like a case of out of the frying pan and into the fire.

The Pacific NW still has a majority population that is fundamentally capable of maintaining some form of enlightened Western civilization -- if only the right images would flash on the TV screen to snap them out of their mind-controlled stupor. While there are a tiny percentage of rabid leftists and true believers up there (antifa types), they're not really capable of much real violence.

Most west coast lefties are just in it for the social media likes, virtue-signaling, misguided compassion for who they are told are the downtrodden, and to fit in with crowd. It's pathological altruism, but it's largely superficial. They're just brainwashed dupes who either do have a big heart, or like to pretend to.

Not so in the Southwest including Texas. Heretofore tempered by a strong economy, sufficient welfare, and a general political apathy among this cohort, but waiting just below the surface, is the capability for a kind of political extremism and ultra-violence unfamiliar to Americans. These semi-literates could easily be convinced to support a commie dictator, and sell away their rights and their futures, if only it meant some free stuff for awhile. They could easily be convinced to go on a bloody offensive if they were to endure any sort of privation.



Nothing has changed in that regard.
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So you don't like Rednecks. That's pretty clear. I think you're 100% wrong on the PNW and antifa. I lived in Portland 25 years. I remember the "little Beirut" years in Portland. I remember the crap in Seattle. The know-nothing antifa types are attracted to the liberal pot laws and government support they get in the PNW.

The people here in Texas are polite, cultured, intelligent, and Conservative.

Don't forget the "majority" of the population in both Oregon and Washington voted to give up their Second Amendment Rights.
 
I defected from NJ 30 years ago. Not so much because of guns but because the state's government was increasingly petty. The congestion, taxes and my place of employment was demanding wage and benefit concessions. The factory closed a few years later so moving was inevitable.
If Florida gets much more 'progressive' where could one go that has nice hot humid summers and no snow winters? Georgia? Alabama? Texas?
Weather is important to me, I'd rather sweat than shiver which I'll be doing here tomorrow.
 
Texas10mm said:
So you don't like Rednecks. That's pretty clear. I think you're 100% wrong on the PNW and antifa. I lived in Portland 25 years. I remember the "little Beirut" years in Portland. I remember the crap in Seattle. The know-nothing antifa types are attracted to the liberal pot laws and government support they get in the PNW.

The people here in Texas are polite, cultured, intelligent, and Conservative.

Don't forget the "majority" of the population in both Oregon and Washington voted to give up their Second Amendment Rights.
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Don't feel bad. According to him (the post may have been deleted) me being a Christian Conservative means I have a below average IQ. Since I read my Bible every day, go to church every Sunday, listen mostly to Christian music and also listen to podcasts from a number of preachers on a daily basis, making me really Christian, my IQ is probably immeasurably low.
 
Texas10mm said:
The people here in Texas are polite, cultured, intelligent, and Conservative.
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I grew up in Austin. I wouldn't describe Austin as being "conservative," even back in the 1960's, when I was there. Texas had three parties: conservative Democrat, liberal Democrat, and Republican. But even the liberal Democrats, back then, were not antigun. Returning to Austin is one of my options if Virginia becomes intolerable.
 
I have moved many times over the last 40ish years. In context with this thread, if Florida became THAT hostile (and by the time it has, IMO, the entire country would be Socialist), I would look elsewhere, as in an other country. That said, those who say they would move strictly because of some guns laws are, IMO, being a tad disingenuous. There is a lot more to total quality of life than the ability to own guns or a particular type: Jobs, benefits, proximity (or distance!) to family and friends, climate, schools, and overall cost of living, etc. are all part of the mix .

I have spent time over the last few years as retirement starts to moving somewhere where not only is the weather nice, but the cost of living and the constant political bickering, hatred, and self-destruction isn't going on. Whether I can convince Mrs. P to move is something altogether different! But she is the one who urged a few moves we have made so I'll take a wait and see attitude.
There are some countries that have decent weather and economies, good health care and lower costs of living. It is definitely something to consider as this country slides ever faster towards Socialism and the tyranny that follows.
 
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I have made it clear with the wife, if I can’t shoot then I can’t blow off stress which means I can’t survive.

If it comes down to a fight or flight, I’m fighting as I go. I will move, but I won’t be quiet about it.
 
I stayed in WA. I was considering a move but family came first.

I don't expect I'll have much left in 10 years but by then I won't care.

I'll just be another outlaw with a bad attitude.
 
Spats McGee said:
I'd have to get licensed in any other state before I could work as an attorney.
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What's the matter? You don't think another bar exam would be fun? lol

As for me, I'd probably stay. All of my family is here. Also, I'm in law school and working in the legal field, so I'm making good connections in my career field.
It would be hard to uproot and leave.
 
Riomouse911 said:
I have a 13 year old and two 10 year old kids. College $$$ is on the horizon for them all.

My wife can’t retire for at least another 15 years. If she leaves now and heads to a “free State” she will make 1/3 her current salary-benefit package. If I move, it’s 1/4.

I’m stuck here watching my gun rights disappear, my tax rates soar, the electricity rationed in the summer and gas in the winter (“Flex-alerts”), my commute times stretch, my gasoline prices approach Hawaiian levels, the sanctuary state run by San Francisco liberals tossing out more bones to felons, illegals and the dregs all on the taxpayers backs and my overall quality of life deteriorate...until I’m able to pull it all up and move. When I can, I will.

Stay positive! :thumbup:
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So with all of those increases where you live, perhaps your move might actually SAVE you some money; especially if you move to a state where you might not have an income tax; there are good colleges with inexpensive rates for in state students (or they have a lot of financial assistance for instate students), your utility, fuel and tax rates are lower, your housing costs are less and with a short commute, your STRESS level is less.
One cannot just look at salary alone and say one place is better or worse. It takes some serious number crunching to determine if a move is the best choice
 
The question in my mind is; How long before there is no place to run? Demographics are changing, values and morals are changing. Basically society is changing. Can we stop it? I doubt it. Could very well be that in 100 years gun owners could have gone the way of the dinosaurs. 2A or not.

I live just 5 minutes from the Illinois border and have lived here since 1980 when I moved from Illinois where I grew up. I moved way beck then to escape the Chicago Political Machine that has been spreading North. I live on a dead end street that has 15 houses on it and each one is owned by someone that at one time had ties to Illinois and mostly Chicago. I am one of the relative new comers to the street and we will be here 20 years this March. My house is about paid for and to move now would not be a sound decision.
Yet the whole area keeps expanding with new subdivisions with a large percentage of the buyers coming up from Illinois and Chicago. Yes they are bringing their politics with them!
 
Figboot said:
I'm going to sounds nuts to just about everyone here, but I am from Tennessee and I have thought about moving out west maybe even to California. While I do enjoy Tennessee's wilderness, the west has some of the best national parks our country has to offer and I would love to live closer to them. I am also growing to dislike small town Tennessee life. It used to be our motto could be "more cows than people", but now you can describe most of small town middle Tennessee more clearly by saying "more methheads than regular folk." The fact that I have a BS and may be about to start an MA program is also wasted here since the highest paid people in my county are Walmart managers (seriously, average annual income for my county is around $18,000 and a friend of mine is making $70,000 a year as a Walmart co-manager). I am a heavy supporter of the second amendment and would love to see everywhere be at least as pro RKBA as Tennessee, but I could live somewhere that is not if there are other reasons to be there and small town Tennessee is getting worse and worse.
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You'd like Utah, especially for National Parks
 
kmw1954 said:
The question in my mind is; How long before there is no place to run? Demographics are changing, values and morals are changing. Basically society is changing. Can we stop it? I doubt it. Could very well be that in 100 years gun owners could have gone the way of the dinosaurs. 2A or not.

I live just 5 minutes from the Illinois border and have lived here since 1980 when I moved from Illinois where I grew up. I moved way beck then to escape the Chicago Political Machine that has been spreading North. I live on a dead end street that has 15 houses on it and each one is owned by someone that at one time had ties to Illinois and mostly Chicago. I am one of the relative new comers to the street and we will be here 20 years this March. My house is about paid for and to move now would not be a sound decision.
Yet the whole area keeps expanding with new subdivisions with a large percentage of the buyers coming up from Illinois and Chicago. Yes they are bringing their politics with them!
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I watched that happen in northern NV, southern UT, western CO; most were transplants from CA wanting to get away from that mess only then trying to institute it where they moved to. It is amazing the insanity they bring and want to cling to.
 
I'd go, if at all practical and/or possible (and I understand, sadly, sometimes it's not). Life is short and I don't want to spend mine occupying the shoes of a subservient, living in a state that hates me and my kind if there's other ways (moving to a "free state") to live freely as our Founding Fathers intended.
 
George P said:
One cannot just look at salary alone and say one place is better or worse. It takes some serious number crunching to determine if a move is the best choice
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I'm pretty sure that most of the 100,000+ Californians that have moved to the Boise Valley here in Idaho in the last 20 years didn't suffer much financially. On the other hand, due to influx, the cost of housing in the Boise Valley has gone through the roof, the traffic on the freeways is reminiscent of southern California, and because of increased population in the Boise Valley, Idaho as a whole is turning purple politically.
Nevertheless, as far as I'm concerned, more pro-rights folks are welcome here. People like myself need pro-rights folks to continue the fight against the anti-rights jerks that are moving here...I'm getting too old.
But I guess that doesn't help you much Good Ol' Boy. I mean, if you're thinking of leaving VA because you're as tired of the fight as I am, it won't help much for you to move here. I'm afraid kmw1954 is right:
kmw1954 said:
The question in my mind is; How long before there is no place to run? Demographics are changing, values and morals are changing. Basically society is changing. Can we stop it? I doubt it. Could very well be that in 100 years gun owners could have gone the way of the dinosaurs. 2A or not.
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