XD/XDM Flaws..

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That guy was an idiot. I've had my XD9 since 04, and sometimes went well over a thousand rounds before cleaning it and it still performed very well despite being fed nothing but the cheapest ammo and dirty handloads. I liked it so much I bought an XD40 with is the most comfortable 40 I've ever fired and completely changed my opinion of the 40.
 
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So the other day I was at a store and there was this couple, looking at handguns. They asked to see the xd9sc and the guy behind the counter almost went off the hook about how big of a POS that gun is. Im standing there with my xdm 45 as my ccw thinking i'm your huckelberry. But he ran down this list of problems and flaws, which did make me second guess my recent purchase.. He pointed out

How many police forces are issued this gun, none!
Its made in croatia.. POS
Its not really a Springfield armory gun, its a sub contracted POS
If carried cocked it has a fully tentioned striker (not safe)
He said "get one grain of sand in that grip safety and the gun is paralyzed"
Springfield armory spends more money on advertising than all others
Springfield armory lied and tried to say the xd was made in America..

So after all that I was like hmm, I think i'll share that with my group and see what they say..
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The guy behind the counter is an idiot.Ignore him and shop elsewhere.
 
The salesman should give his opinion if asked, but still tend to what the customer asks for.
@ David E, I would have liked to challenge him but I didnt feel I had the facts I needed.
 
However Springfield really has never directed its sales towards LE such as Glock and M&P does.
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Probably because they know they can't compete.

Law Enforcement and Military contracts are the Holy Grail of service pistol manufactures. If a company doesn't even enter trials, it's a bad sign for their pistol.
 
cwduke08 said:
So the other day I was at a store and there was this couple, looking at handguns. They asked to see the xd9sc and the guy behind the counter almost went off the hook about how big of a POS that gun is
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I started out with 1911/Sig 226 and back then you couldn't sell me a polymer pistol regardless of the price.

Match shooting is what proved to me that you should select a pistol by the holes it produced on target and not by what name is on the slide or what material it was made from.

Telling someone simply an entire product line should be avoided is like saying all polymer pistols are not accurate. :eek: I am sure there are many XD/M owners who would love to have a chat with that sales person. :evil:
 
Odd.

The 1911 has a grip safety too and is also carried fully cocked. I wonder if that design is a POS too?

I've had an XD sub-comp that I've carried for (counts) eight years. It's never hiccuped once.

What are the Croatians doing wrong that make guns from their country bad?
 
Well, I've got an XD9 and although I don't shoot it as well as some of my others, I have never had a single issue with it. Shoots well in rapid fire and deliberate aimed shots. Think maybe that sales guy had a bug up his a**
and deserves no notice.YMMV.
 
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@ David E, I would have liked to challenge him but I didnt feel I had the facts I needed.
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Right, you don't challenge him if you don't have the actual facts to do so, but in that case, if feasible, I'd ask questions that would force him to back up his statements.

"Single grain of sand locks it up? Wow, never heard if that.....how often has that really happened?"

"Springfield lied about making it? Then I wonder why they put 'Made in Croatia' on all of them?"
 
I have an XD-40 that I bought in 2007, probably have close to 5000 rounds through it now. Its been a flawless pistol, very accurate, and the ergo's are comfortable for me.

This guy is full of crap, I'd put my XD up against a Glock, anytime.

Hey Reaper, Ruger makes outstanding pistols, yet they have a very limited presence in the LE market. The LE market means nothing to me.
 
I believe it's "The OLDEST name..."

If you buy an XD thinking it's made in America based on the ads then cry foul when you discover it's not, eventually you're going to learn to look at what you're buying a little closer.

See right there? It says "made in Croatia" right on top of the slide.
 
The only problem that has popped up with my XDm .45 4.5 is that a couple of the mags,when fully loaded,will not eject from th mag well when the mag release is activated,or when you try to depress it and its stiff as a board.
The gun has been flawless with 230gr hardball and LRN.Very accurate and a usuable street trigger,nice sights and great ergos for a hi-cap .45.
 
There is no arguing that SA uses deceptive marketing to make people believe their products are of American manufacture.
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Hence the "MADE IN CROATIA" lettering on all four of mine? Its not hidden inside the grip or anything like that.

Springfield Armory is rightfully pointing out they've been in operation since the 1700s.
 
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Hence the prominately positioned "MADE IN CROATIA" lettering on all four of mine?
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Yeah...the massive conspiracy I alluded to before. It's reverse-psychology. Make it so obvious that folks will overlook it.

Springfield Armory is rightfully pointing out they've been in operation since the 1700s.
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Well, no. Springfield Armory, Inc. -- the commercial company that makes all those M1As, 1911s, and imports the xD/xDM line -- doesn't have anything besides the name in common with the original Springfield Armory itself. That part is, a bit sadly, just a catchy name/
 
How many police forces are issued this gun, none!

false!!!!!! this gun was designed specifically for the croatian military so there's at least one military that uses it. also I asked this question specifically at the firing line and found out that at least 5 police departments issue the XD or XDM throughout the US. are any of these major PDs like NYPD or LAPD? no but the fact remains that they are issued in the united states as a service piece.




Its made in croatia.. POS
does this shop keeper realize that Croatia is a 2 hour train ride from Austria where his precious glocks are made on the exact same equipment by employees who are payed almost identical amount of euros?


Its not really a Springfield armory gun, its a sub contracted POS
so it's an import...who cares? who else imports guns....oh yes, beretta, sig, FN herstal even COLT, imports firearms!

If carried cocked it has a fully tentioned striker (not safe)
as opposed to glocks that have the same trigger pull without the added safety of a grip safety?

He said "get one grain of sand in that grip safety and the gun is paralyzed"
really? he hasn't read about an off-the-shelf XD9 that shot 17,000 rounds and then went through the 1,000 round glock torture test(which included immersion in sand) and then fired an additional 4,000 rounds and still worked when the journalist ran out of test ammo and had to write the results.

Springfield armory spends more money on advertising than all others
really? I've seen advertising on XDtalk.com and that's it...I can think of many more that advertise way more
Springfield armory lied and tried to say the xd was made in America..
they say right on the handle that they are made in CROATIA!!!!! I seriously hope you didn't stay silent while that guy was spouting off.
 
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Law Enforcement and Military contracts are the Holy Grail of service pistol manufactures. If a company doesn't even enter trials, it's a bad sign for their pistol.
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So, if a manufacturer doesn't have a big LE or military contract their
product(s) are to be avoided? Is that your conclusion?

Does that apply to Colt, Ruger, CZ, Kimber,
etc. as well? What a totally inane argument.
 
If carried cocked it has a fully tentioned striker (not safe)
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as opposed to glocks that have the same trigger pull without the added safety of a grip safety?
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Actually, the glock's striker is not fully cocked until the trigger is pulled. The xD's (and the M&P's) is. The striker-block internal safety should provide sufficient fail-safe, but some folks just don't trust it.
 
false!!!!!! this gun was designed specifically for the croatian military so there's at least one military that uses it. also I asked this question specifically at the firing line and found out that at least 5 police departments issue the XD or XDM throughout the US. are any of these major PDs like NYPD or LAPD? no but the fact remains that they are issued in the united states as a service piece.
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OK, BUT
isn't the XD/XDM on the approved list of most police departments for off duty carry?
 
Actually, the glock's striker is not fully cocked until the trigger is pulled. The xD's (and the M&P's) is. The striker-block internal safety should provide sufficient fail-safe, but some folks just don't trust it.
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I'm aware of the difference between a glock/M&P striker and a XD but I was just saying that with that striker block the glock is is just as likely to go off since most accidental discharges are caused by pulling the trigger.
OK, BUT
isn't the XD/XDM on the approved list of most police departments for off duty carry?
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I cant comment for MOST PDs or off duty use but I know my local sheriffs dept allows them for duty carry and we have a few officers opt to do so. in the for mentioned thread discussing PD usage, we found at least 6 depts had officers that were allowed AND opted to do so. a lot of depts(not some, not most, but a lot) allow them. I have heard a lot of people claim that MOST PDs do not allow single action only weapons and it's just not true. among the top three most carried guns for police officers is still the 1911. the XD is not a true SAO gun but because of the fully retracted striker, many PDs classify it as such so if a PD allows a single action pistol, odds are that they'll allow the XD/M
 
Shadow 7D the XD/XDM is not on our approved list of off duty carry weapons. The higher ups are worried that officers will carry less than standard weapons. Funny thing is that by policy I can carry a p3at but not a xd. I am not knocking the p3at as it has served me well. I just cant understand their logic. By the way my department is a Glock fanboy and their attitude toward weapons is similar to some of my expierences at gunshops.
 
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