XD/XDM Flaws..

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I'm still trying to wrap my head around why some people hate the XDM so much. It's got great capacity, excellent ergonomics, it's accurate, reliable, and if you have a problem with it (which you probably won't), it's backed by SA, which has some of the best CS out there. Did I miss anything?
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you missed the extremely high bore axis that is so horrible that it makes my XDM45 recoil softer than a steel framed 9mm :D
 
In general, all of the XDs, Glocks, Sigs, and Berettas I've shot over the years have been fine reliable pistols. As to which to own, I think it is mostly a matter of personal taste rather than firearm performance.
 
There can be no doubt that SA downplayed the Croation origin of the xd when it first hit the market (again). I bought an xd when they first came out years ago, got home and was surprised to find out it wasn't made by SA. I didn't notice the "made in Croatia" at the gunshop and was under the impression it was made by SA. Gave it a fair shake anyway, but it turned out to be a steamy pile of crap that I quickly sold.
 
the original XDs that came here were original HS2000s. there was not a single mark that was made to even insinuate that it was a American firearm. HSP started stamping them XD around the time they changed the name to HS9. I wont argue though that the early first generation XD9s had issues. they did have bugs that needed worked out however by the time the XD45s hit the US all of those issues had been corrected.
 
I like my XDm 3.8 .40 very much.

Despite the high bore axis the recoil isn't as snappy as the .40 Glocks I've had (dual recoil springs?).

People can dislike some things for any reason.
 
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I had an XD9 5'' for my first handgun. It was a dream! I used it to shoot my qualifier for my CCW in Florida and it shot all of the black on the target (I'm no William Tell!) I think when I get back to the states I'll be buying another XD, except I'll get the 4'' and in a duo-tone because they look slick.

I will concede one point the clerk said, I do have some reservations about grip safties. I should think that getting anything in there would cause problems, and it's one more thing that could fail.
 
I will concede one point the clerk said, I do have some reservations about grip safties. I should think that getting anything in there would cause problems, and it's one more thing that could fail
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they seem to work fine in 1911s.
 
Dr.Mall Ninja said:
they seem to work fine in 1911s.
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I'm not sure why people are so against 'em. It's the only "safety" I DO like. I like that it's not something you have to actively and intentionally disable before the gun will fire.

As a habit when I holster my gun, I keep my hand clear of the grip safety. It gives me double assurance that if my shirt happened to get stuck in my trigger guard, it's not going to fire the gun.
 
After he finished his anti-Springfield rant, I think I'd have offered to buy one if he'd discount Springfield products to help get undesirable guns out of his inventory...
 
I've posted on several forums asking if anyone had ever had a grip safety fail. There was only anecdotal evidence, such as "I have a friend who saw it once".
There were no first-hand accounts at all. I've even tried to cause a failure by using a poor grip. No failures. The XD has been put through the same test and more, than the one the Glock folks are so proud of. It passed with flying colors. Defeated by a grain of sand my? No way.:fire: Not in any realistic setting.

The grip safety is practically transparent. Its automatic. A realistic firing grip deactivates it.:banghead:
 
How many police forces are issued this gun, none!

false!!!!!! this gun was designed specifically for the croatian military so there's at least one military that uses it. also I asked this question specifically at the firing line and found out that at least 5 police departments issue the XD or XDM throughout the US. are any of these major PDs like NYPD or LAPD? no but the fact remains that they are issued in the united states as a service piece.
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How many police forces are issued this gun, none!
FALSE, though its not as common as Glock, M&P, or even Beretta there is a few that carries the XD. However Springfield really has never directed its sales towards LE such as Glock and M&P does.
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I am curious. Which specific major police department(s) in America actually issues a Springfield XD or XDM pistol to its officers as a duty sidearm?
 
I am curious. Which specific major police department(s) in America actually issues a Springfield XD or XDM pistol to its officers as a duty sidearm?
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Honestly all that information would show is that Glock bids lower than it's competitors.
 
Each of these "flaws" are either a matter of opinion, a matter of preference, or simply implied flaws, rather than proven flaws. The guy was a moron.
 
I just plain like the SA emblem even if they did have to add Croatia to it.
The Glock emblem looks like Pac Man chugging OCK.
I bet a statement like that would of made that employee go out of his mind.
 
LawScholar said:
Not really. Even with Glock's ultra low bids, there are still a number of departments issuing Sigs and HK. There should be at least one issuing XD.
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Why should that be the case? These agencies don't request a gun maker send them a bid. SA doesn't appear to even have an LE marketing department while Glock, S&W, HK and Sig spend massive amounts marketing to that type of customer.

I just don't see how you can read anything into there not being large scale use of these guns by LE agencies when the seller doesn't seem to be going after that market.

It's a meaningless piece of information. There may be tons of flaws with the XD/M line of guns, but whether or not large agencies use them doesn't tell you much since you don't even know if SA tries to sell them that way.
 
It's a meaningless piece of information. There may be tons of flaws with the XD/M line of guns, but whether or not large agencies use them doesn't tell you much since you don't even know if SA tries to sell them that way.
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It may be "a meaningless piece of information" or not, but at least two posters have claimed, or certainly implied, that there are several police departments in America who issue Springfield XD/M pistols to their officers and I'm still curious as to
...Which specific major police department(s) in America actually issues a Springfield XD or XDM pistol to its officers as a duty sidearm?
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TexasRifleman said:
It's a meaningless piece of information. There may be tons of flaws with the XD/M line of guns, but whether or not large agencies use them doesn't tell you much since you don't even know if SA tries to sell them that way.
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I think you're right, but I also think there's a lot more to why Glock has become almost ubiquitous with LE. Massad talks about it in this awesome article. And it comes down to what's going on with the police in NY. Triggers.

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Opposing the concept, the then-chief said sure, but the autos adopted would have to be DAO just like the revolvers he preferred. Beretta, SIG, and S&W saw no need to make such pistols for one department, and it looked as if MPD would be stuck with the wheelgun -- until BATF ruled the Glock pistol to be double action only.

The rest is history. Stuck with keeping his word and hoisted by his own petard, the Miami chief had to allow the Glock, which was in fact adopted. Miami became the flagship department of Glock's fleet, and the Austrian pistol was now off to a fast start in the race that would see the Glock ultimately take a 65percent share of the American police handgun market.
 
but at least two posters have claimed, or certainly implied, that there are several police departments in America who issue Springfield XD/M pistols to their officers and I'm still curious as to
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Yeah, I suspect those folks are mistaken. Allowing the use of the XD is one thing, but I can't see any big department issuing them. A big chunk of the money for departments with issued guns is in armorer training and spare parts contracts. I just don't think Springfield Armory is set up to deal with sort of thing as part of their core business. Small deparments who don't have armorers etc I can see, but none of the big guys will use a manufacturer without all the logistical support stuff.
 
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