XD/XDM Flaws..

[Ben86]

So after all that I was like hmm, I think i'll share that with my group and see what they say..

Sounds like a load of BS, which is not uncommon from gunshop employees.

If you want to buy the gun I think you should wait until he is working and get him to help you buy the gun just for the hell of it. Tell him you looked into all his accusations and found them to be false, then sit back and watch the fireworks.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

The only reason that so few police departments carry or authorize the XD/XDm guns is that ATF classifies them as single action.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Naw, just wait for him to open his mouth, and shut him down with the facts
point by point

and ask to see the boss, ask him if he knows the idiot is running off customers.

 

[thefamcnaj]

Ill informed and bias gunshop workers are poisioness to the gun community sometimes.

 

[LawScholar]

Here's where there is a list of agencies either issuing or apporoving the XD.

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/leo-talk/153649-any-agencies-issuing-xd-xdm.html



It does not say "Made in USA". it says "Made in Croatia". The USA is immediately behind the words "Springfield Armory", which is a USA company. "Geneseo, Il" is the same size as the "Made in Croatia". Don't accuse SA of being deceptive because people don't completely read things, or have difficulty comprending the words... Is it deceptive that the headquarters isn't in Springfield, but actualy is in Geneseo?

Many Glock products are made in the USA now. Are they being deceptive because some still thinks they do all thier work in Austria?

So you seriously don't think there is any strategy behind the name "Springfield Armory U.S.A."? That's marketing 101. American-made is a selling point. The name of the company is an extremely obvious strategic decision.

Again, love the guns, not a fan of the marketing.

And no, Glock isn't deceptive because their made in America guns say "USA" on the slide, not Austria.

You're right that Croatia is printed on the gun, but does Johnny Gunshop Customer pickup a gun and examine the frame or the slide?

They are great, high-quality guns manufactured in Croatia marketed with heavy suggestion - though not outright lie - of manufacture in the United States to make them more palatable to U.S. consumers. My perspective, that's just the way it is, and if not an overtly dishonest practice, it's not a fully honest one either. That, at least, seems obvious.

 

[REAPER4206969]

The average American probably doesn't even know what a "Croatia" is.

 

[LiveLife]

The average American probably doesn't even know what a "Croatia" is.

Well ... maybe not but a "good guess" would be a country other than USA?

 

[fallout mike]

I read that the costs to make a glock is $36.

 

[MyGreenGuns]

RE: "The first name in American firearms"?
If I remember correctly, Springfield Armory was the FIRST American armory. Therefore they would be "the first name in American firearms", even if they are no longer American made.

Croatia is on the gun twice. USA is on it once, as is IL. I know where Croatia is.

I hear all the problems people have had with their XD's and it makes me LOVE mine more. Mine works flawless. I've never had problems with it.

As far as it not working when it gets dirty. *Waves BS flag* Google "XD 20,000 round torture test", they followed the "Glock test" that all the Glock nuts love to brag about.

 

[KenW.]

So you seriously don't think there is any strategy behind the name "Springfield Armory U.S.A."? That's marketing 101. American-made is a selling point. The name of the company is an extremely obvious strategic decision.

Don't ALL companys put their name on the product they are selling?

Where was your Ford made? Mexico or Canada? Or assembled in Canada from parts made in the USA and Mexico? Are those nations okay since we're on the same continent?

lets petition SA to move manufacuring here, ala Glock and FN.

 

[PvtCowboy]

XD and XDMs are fine pieces of hardware. I'd bet my life on mine. that's why i carry one! I just feel bad those two people will miss out on knowing that because of that artard at the gun counter.

 

[LawScholar]

Don't ALL companys put their name on the product they are selling?

Where was your Ford made? Mexico or Canada? Or assembled in Canada from parts made in the USA and Mexico? Are those nations okay since we're on the same continent?

lets petition SA to move manufacuring here, ala Glock and FN.

Maybe I haven't expressed enough that I have no problem with foreign made products. My favorite brand is Beretta of Italy. I have a problem with uber-American marketing slant by a company selling an excellent Croatian product.


For what it's worth, a drive a Honda that was 70% manufactured in the United States.

 

[gearhead]

I think the primary issue most people have with the name and marketing is that a company that imports firearms appropriated a name that implies that the company has more history and is more tied to American arms than it really is.

 

[fxstchewy]

I have Three XD's and i have three Glock's, i have had one failure in one of my Glocks, my G26, i think it was ammo related but, i have never had a failure of any kind with my XD's, I like both of them.....

 

[kimura]

The only reason that so few police departments carry or authorize the XD/XDm guns is that ATF classifies them as single action.

No, not exactly. Cruise some other forums and you'll see that LE Agencies have tested them, they just haven't done as well as Glock or Smith and Wesson. Apparently parts breakage comes sooner with the XD.

I've shot one and it's ok though I can't think of any reason why I would buy one instead of a Glock or M&P, unless you just want one, which is fine. I personally prefer Glock and M&P, but that's a personal choice.

 

[KenW.]

Maybe I haven't expressed enough that I have no problem with foreign made products. My favorite brand is Beretta of Italy. I have a problem with uber-American marketing slant by a company selling an excellent Croatian product.


For what it's worth, a drive a Honda that was 70% manufactured in the United States.

I own Jeeps........ with metric hardware.

 

[evan price]

My Sigs were made in W. Germany. Then let's consider H und K, or Smith & Walther(Wesson)?

 

[Madcap_Magician]

The average American probably doesn't even know what a "Croatia" is.

I know now not to try and match rum and cokes with one of their Army's machine gunners...

 

[Tcruse]

Here's where there is a list of agencies either issuing or apporoving the XD.

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/leo-talk/153649-any-agencies-issuing-xd-xdm.html



It does not say "Made in USA". it says "Made in Croatia". The USA is immediately behind the words "Springfield Armory", which is a USA company. "Geneseo, Il" is the same size as the "Made in Croatia". Don't accuse SA of being deceptive because people don't completely read things, or have difficulty comprending the words... Is it deceptive that the headquarters isn't in Springfield, but actualy is in Geneseo?

Many Glock products are made in the USA now. Are they being deceptive because some still thinks they do all thier work in Austria?

I know I would pay extra for a US made Glock, they are just not easy to find. I have heard that from a lot of people. So, I doubt that anyone would feel cheated if they discovered they got a US made Glock. On the other hand Springfield owners would probably do not feel a good when they find that there is no history with the curren SA and the gun is mostly a new label on a less that high end gun with a high end price. In all likely hood the xd will provide a good value when all is said and done but still I do not like the sales approach.

 

[dcarch]

a less that high end gun with a high end price

What are you talking about? The XD/XDM series is just as high value and quality as any other polymer framed/striker fired handgun on the market today. And compared to many, many other products on the market, the street price of about $600 is not even close to a high end price.

 

[batmann]

XDM's are fine guns and my biggest complaint is the high bore axis and I prefer Glock's for that reason. I have shoot most of the stricker
Gun store sales people are either very good or very bad and you got a bad one, but unless I missed something (likely) I saw nothing him pushing a Glock.
One thing I always keep in the back of my mind is we (gun people) tend to know the facts about some firearms, but GS people must know all the facts about all the firearms they sell. To find out how much they know, I will usually ask a question I know the answer to just to see how they reply.

 

[tahunua001]

I just dont understand why the XDM is such a hated design.
1. croatia is far from a 3rd world country. they are a member of both the UN and NATO. they have troops stationed on NATO bases around the world and I even shot my M9 qualification 2 lanes over from a Croatian conscript(junior enlisted equivalent) who was shooting his HS2000 qualification. they have a army, navy, and airforce which is more than some of these smaller eastern med countries can boast. and they have a arms manufacturer than can supply their armed forces with general fielding weapons(EG battle rifles and sidearms).
2. people say that no one wants to get a product made in croatia because it's a politically unstable area yet we have done more joint training exorcises with croatia than many more politically stable countries.
3. no one uses HS produkt guns but 3rd world countries and yet someone just provided a link showing that Witchita PD, Cleveland PD, Beverly Hills PD, Groton PD, and a few state law enforcement agencies issue it in addition to the Croatian military.

additionally HSP makes an assault rifle used by Croatia, and is also used by France. try telling me that France is a third world country!

the bias against XD/Ms is nothing but a bunch of product line bigots that say everything but what they own is garbage.
my mentor, a career LEO, called me a numbskull when I told him that I bought a XDM instead of a glock.
my small arms instructors all claim that the only guns worth having are Berettas.
I once tried arguing with my cousin(a veteran of the marine corps) that Sig Sauer is not the only handgun manufacturer worth owning and even my own brother insists that the XDM is the ONLY handgun that is worth a dern and has called me a waterhead many times for planning on buying a ruger.

I give all arms manufacturers an equal chance and I put HSP products up in the top 25%. Springfield is a little deceptive, for a while I thought that they actually were a civilian company that bought the Springfield weapons plant and started it back up... oops but anyone that has ever looked at a picture of an XD, no less held one should be able to tell that it is not an American gun.

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

I know I would pay extra for a US made Glock, they are just not easy to find.

why?

they pop up on gunbroker for obscene prices all the time. they're built exactly the same as austrian ones, but there's always people willing to pay more for because they think it's somehow "special".

 

[tahunua001]

they pop up on gunbroker for obscene prices all the time. they're built exactly the same as austrian ones, but there's always people willing to pay more for because they think it's somehow "special".

because many people don't realize that even though it's made in america the only money that goes back into the American economy is what it takes to run the factory and all profit still goes back to austria

 

[dcarch]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why some people hate the XDM so much. It's got great capacity, excellent ergonomics, it's accurate, reliable, and if you have a problem with it (which you probably won't), it's backed by SA, which has some of the best CS out there. Did I miss anything?