You Asked for it, You Got It; .30 Super Carry.

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Just seen on S&W board, a new iteration of the .32 hideout pistol.

13458 - SMITH SHIELD EZ 30 SUPER CARRY 10RD W SAFETY BLACK

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Smith & Wesson is excited to introduce ytheir S&W® Shield™ EZ® in a new caliber! Offering the Shield EZ chambered in Federal® 30 Super Carry™ the Shield EZ pistol features an 10+1 round capacity and a 3.675” barrel, ships with two 10 round magazines that feature a load assist tab for quick, easy loading, as well as a picatinny-style equipment rail to accommodate accessories. The pistol also features an optimal M&P pistol 18-degree grip angle for a natural point of aim, white-dot front and adjustable white-dot rear sights, and a light, crisp trigger!
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http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/667852-newest-caliber-ever.html#post141351086

Unfortunately, there is nothing said about ballistics and the round is not shown on the Federal www.
 
Not that an enhanced performance .30/.32/8mm semi-auto round is a bad idea, but I do question the validity of the source posting info over on the S&W forum.
 
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Jim Watson said:
January Fool's Day?
There are a couple of dealers who have it listed and a couple of other places with the ammo listed although that all jumbled in with .30-06.
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I guess we will know soon. Dealers picking it up is a good sign that its not just creative imagination. 8mm Roth-Steyr would be a good choice as the case.
 
Rule3 said:
Who "asked for it"??

Sounds bogus to me

Coming soon!
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The concept of getting almost or equal 9mm performance out of an optimized .32ish cartridge, allowing for a higher capacity carry platform on the same footprint, has been discussed quite a bit. A 100 - 115 grain HST generating 300 - 350 fpe would definitely be viable.
 
.455_Hunter said:
The concept of getting almost or equal 9mm performance out of an optimized .32ish cartridge, allowing for a higher capacity carry platform on the same footprint, has been discussed quite a bit. A 100 - 115 grain HST generating 300 - 350 fpe would definitely be viable.
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Was this not a very similar story to what was told with 327 Federal, just substitute 357 Mag for 9mm?

They usually have to raise the pressure pretty high to get that performance from the smaller caliber and that makes them hard on hearing. I like the concept but in practice they are noising little cartridges.
 
No ballistics, but the rather shaky ammo ads show 100 gr bullets.
Davidson's www has gotten very sluggish, I bet from people looking for them to order.
 
mcb said:
Was this not a very similar story to what was told with 327 Federal, just substitute 357 Mag for 9mm?

They usually have to raise the pressure pretty high to get that performance from the smaller caliber and that makes them hard on hearing. I like the concept but in practice they are noising little cartridges.
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Take a look at this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8mm_Roth–Steyr

Almost 300 fpe in 1907 out of a less than 19mm long 8mm straight case. I would think modern powders could bump that just a bit without the .327 blast furnace.
 
Hope its more 7.5 Frenchy than 32NAA. If they go bottleneck they should just chamber it for 7.62x25.
 
Sorry, I don't see any manufacturer stopping production for a "NEW" and "UNPROVEN" round.

I love new and wildcat rounds, but, this is not the time for crazy newness!!
 
.455_Hunter said:
Take a look at this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8mm_Roth–Steyr

Almost 300 fpe in 1907 out of a less than 19mm long 8mm straight case. I would think modern powders could bump that just a bit without the .327 blast furnace.
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8mm Steyr is a fairly high pressure cartridge even if it's 1907 (remember 9x19 is older 1901). 8mm Steyr pressure is a touch over 30,000 psi (2100 bar, using modern CIP transducer measurements). It achieved that historic ~300 ft-lbs of muzzle energy from a 5.1 inch barrel. To maintain that energy level in a modern CCW size weapon your going to have to up that pressure. Maybe not to 45 ksi like 327 Magnum but its going to be at least 35 ksi if not closer to 40ksi to maintain that energy level in a ~3-inch barrel. 327 Magnum can manage just over 400 ft-lbs from a 3-inch revolver but is 45 ksi. That does not mean the cartridge is not a valid concept but the idea its going to be higher pressure and nosier cartridge that its larger caliber brothers. The pressure does not bother me as much as the noise.

Also as we can to these smaller calibers the capacity increase does not add up, especially in a single stack. In the length of a 10rd 9mm single stack I only get one more round of 8mm Steyr.

-just rambling
 
.455_Hunter said:
The concept of getting almost or equal 9mm performance out of an optimized .32ish cartridge, allowing for a higher capacity carry platform on the same footprint, has been discussed quite a bit. A 100 - 115 grain HST generating 300 - 350 fpe would definitely be viable.
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That's nice but who "asked for it"?? What "market"??

Is ammo just going to be magically available??
 
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Rule3 said:
That's nice but who "asked for it"?? What "market"??

Is ammo just going to be magically available??
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Stuff like this is for creating new markets. Might be neat but we need some images. A light recoiling round (7.65 French type) in something the size of a Mini Subcompact holding 15-17rd flush fit magazine would be interesting.
 
mcb said:
8mm Steyr is a fairly high pressure cartridge even if it's 1907 (remember 9x19 is older 1901). 8mm Steyr pressure is a touch over 30,000 psi (2100 bar, using modern CIP transducer measurements). It achieved that historic ~300 ft-lbs of muzzle energy from a 5.1 inch barrel. To maintain that energy level in a modern CCW size weapon your going to have to up that pressure. Maybe not to 45 ksi like 327 Magnum but its going to be at least 35 ksi if not closer to 40ksi to maintain that energy level in a ~3-inch barrel. 327 Magnum can manage just over 400 ft-lbs from a 3-inch revolver but is 45 ksi. That does not mean the cartridge is not a valid concept but the idea its going to be higher pressure and nosier cartridge that its larger caliber brothers. The pressure does not bother me as much as the noise.

Also as we can to these smaller calibers the capacity increase does not add up, especially in a single stack. In the length of a 10rd 9mm single stack I only get one more round of 8mm Steyr.

-just rambling
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All good discussion points.

The capacity advantage has to be enough to make it worthwhile. I am curious what could be done with a P365 size mag?
 
Here is the ammo:

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Hoping it's a straight walled more powerful .30 instead of some bottlenecked .32 NAA type round.

A full size duty pistol in .30 FSC could be really interesting. Very high capacity and mild recoil, and more potent than any .32 ACP.
 
I'm sure that a good stiff drink and a nice 1911 would clear this up but is it wrong that I kinda want to see this in a full size single stack target pistol?

Like a Ruger mark with a little more pop?
 
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