Your View on President Bush

[nvshooter]

Lost freedoms?

Please elaborate as which exact freedoms have been lost. If I missed it, would someone please direct me to the wikipedia article as to when the Constitution was amended to reflect these lost freedoms...

 

[cbsbyte]

Personally I believe we all would have been better off with Gore winning in 2000. The AWB would not have sunset but that is really the least of our worries. Bush as done more damage in eight years than any of the other worst Presidents combined.

 

[budney]

Hasn't Padilla been tried, or scheduled for a trial?

After three years of sleep deprivation, loud music and other "non-torture," yes: the administration decided to charge him in order to prevent SCOTUS from ruling their conduct unconstitutional. Wonderful.

Let's keep a little perspective; Padilla is not a good guy.

He's innocent until proven guilty. Whoops, I didn't mean that. Back before the American republic died, he would have been innocent until proven guilty. Now, you're guilty by reason of being accused.

--Len.

 

[budney]

Bush as done more damage in eight years than any of the other worst Presidents combined.

I don't know if I'd go that far. He's at least tied with Lincoln for worst President ever, but I'm not sure I'd say he's as bad as Lincoln, Roosevelt and Wilson combined.

--Len.

 

[Tommygunn]

He's innocent until proven guilty

In the eyes of the law. That doesn't mean we can't reasonably believe he is a criminal or terrorist. If he's "innocent until guilty" police wouldn't even be able to detain him as a "suspect." Padilla was caught red-handed.
I wouldn't convict him and sentence him without a trial either, but that's why the law considers one innocent until proven guilty. We are free to use our own judgement.

 

[wQuay]

The ONLY reason I voted for him in '04 was that he had a clue, granted not much of one, regarding Islamic fundamentalism/terrorism (it's one and the same). He understands that they want to crush western society and convert everyone to Islam by the sword.

To quote The Economist:

One irony of the “war on terror” is that Mr Bush's hyperventilation worked against him in terms of getting boots on the ground: neither his own countrymen nor his allies were sure enough that they were really under threat. (And why should they be? An American-led West spent four decades tussling with a nuclear-armed empire that stretched from Berlin to Vladivostok; al-Qaeda is still small beer.)

Radical Islam is a serious threat capable of killing thousands of Americans. But they are NOT a threat to our survival, requiring the suspension of our liberties, the invasion of multiple countries, or out-of-control defense spending to defend against.

 

[md7]

I supported him in 2000, and voted for him as a lesser of 2 evils in '04. Given the choice we had, I would vote for him again over Comrade Kerry.

The only 2 positive things he has accomplished, IMHO, are lowered taxes, and good SCOTUS picks. I support fighting Islamic fundamentalism, but don't know if Iraq was the best course of action to fight them. However, we are in Iraq and I put my support behind our soldiers and their mission. I want them to be both safe and successful.

There are alot of really bad things Bush has done too. I do not believe in trading in my freedoms for a "safety blanket" called the Patriot Act. No thanks, I'd rather keep my freedom and place my faith in the Lord for my safety rather than let Big Brother keep an eye out for us. Don't get me started on the border. Bush has done nothing on that. No Child Left Behind is a joke. I guess we commoners don't know how to educate the young ones in our own communities. Bush has created a huge beaurocratic government that spends billions. And why aren't we utilizing our own natural resources? We have Alaska, oil under the Great Lakes, and off the Cali coast. We don't have to depend on foreign oil.

 

[cbsbyte]

I don't know if I'd go that far. He's at least tied with Lincoln for worst President ever, but I'm not sure I'd say he's as bad as Lincoln, Roosevelt and Wilson combined.

Got me there, though which Roosevelt? Teddy was a imperialist who wanted to greatly expand American power, very MO as Bush I &II. Wilson was a naive idealist who actually was not that bad on domestic issues. Franklin greatly expanded the reach of the Government. Same with Lincoln. But Bush still beats at least two of them together.

 

[budney]

I'm thinking of Franklin.

Wilson was determined to get the US into WWI, which changed a run-of-the-mill European war into an utter rout. So some borders would have been redrawn, but that's nothing new. How many times had Alsace changed hands before WWI? Thanks to Wilson, Germany was not only defeated but utterly humiliated and subjected to ruinous reparations. The treaty of Versailles paved the way for Hitler and WWII.

--Len.

 

[camslam]

Voted for him twice because of the alternative.

Between the spending, poor management of the war on terror, trying to legalize 20 to 30 million illegals, and all of the scandal attached to his administration, it is time to move on. With all due respect, the man is jack ass and I wonder who is advising him.

The problem is I don't see much better in the future until we can get away from the dominant 2 parties.

 

[cbsbyte]

Yes, but Wilson had an Idealistic view that Germany should have been helped after the defeat and not burdened with paying for the damages of the War. Britain and especially France, hurt Germany by crippling its industrial base. This lead to high unemployment, inflation and the destruction of the entire German economy.

 

[whited]

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I don't know if I'd go that far. He's at least tied with Lincoln for worst President ever, but I'm not sure I'd say he's as bad as Lincoln, Roosevelt and Wilson combined.

This is my exact opinion also. Toss in Truman and Johnson, and you have
a many-headed devil all devoted to the same cause. The last 150 years
have really offerred up some horrific specimens of tyranny, deception,
extortion, and mass murder.

Bush has simply been more bold-faced with his lies than his monstrous
predecessors, which detracts from his already evil legacy.

 

[SWMP40]

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Worst ever

 

[Tommygunn]

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[budney]

Yes, but Wilson had an Idealistic view that Germany should have been helped after the defeat and not burdened with paying for the damages of the War.

Yeah, that's why I go back and forth whether Wilson was evil or just a complete boob.

--Lem

 

[Prince Yamato]

Personally I believe we all would have been better off with Gore winning in 2000. The AWB would not have sunset but that is really the least of our worries.

Oh, you've GOT to be KIDDING me. The AWB was a MAJOR gun point and was a BIG worry. With that out of the way, we've paved the way for removal of other gun restrictions. We'd never have had the Zumbo incident if the AWB hadn't sunset. We'd never have the FN-90 or newer caliber guns (at least in AW form) for civilians. Saiga-12 with hi-caps? Forget it. All the new AKs? Nope. Yeah, Gore would've been great. You'd be registering your new NFA single action pistol and monthly allotment of 50 bullets with the federal government right now.

 

[budney]

Oh, you've GOT to be KIDDING me. The AWB was a MAJOR gun point and was a BIG worry.

I agree. The big question is, since when do we have to choose between our 2A rights and our habeas corpus rights? Why does it have to be either/or? Would you rather be hanged or drowned?

 

[shadowalker]

I had high hopes for him, but the second time around was forced to pick the best of two horrible candidates, which is still a bad choice.

I think he is a good man I just don't think he is qualified to run the country, and don't think he is a conservative on many issues. I have been happy with him for his stand on embryonic stem cell research, the tax breaks, not renewing the high capacity ban, and a few other issues.

By and large though his out of control spending, fondness of China, constant attempts of erosion of rights, patriot act, real ID act, lack of action on immigration, apparent inability or lack of desire to let us fight to win in Iraq and steadfast determination to create scandals by choosing people poorly and constant mishandling of the media have destroyed all confidence in him.

I hope there is a good candidate in 08, I haven't seen one yet.

 

[30-06 lover]

I voted for him, only because I wanted Kerry less. Bush has no clue what the people wants, only what he wants. Since voting for Bush in 2004, I have regretted not voting for Michael Badnarik.
-Mike

 

[jselvy]

I hope there is a good candidate in 08, I haven't seen one yet.

Ron Paul our last best hope for constitutional government

Jefferson

 

[budney]

I hope there is a good candidate in 08, I haven't seen one yet.

PSSSSST! Ron Paul!

 

[GTSteve03]

Ron Paul our last best hope for constitutional government

PSSSSST! Ron Paul!

Didn't you hear? Ron Paul has absolutely no chance of winning. Don't even think of voting for him.

See, this other guy here, he's got a chance. Yeah, he might be the lesser of two evils but he's electable.

And people wonder why things don't change...

 

[Tim James]

Worst President ever? Sorry guys, when even modern liberal Democratic scholars rank him as merely the 6th-worst President of all time, then it's time to hit the history books!

[EDIT] The surveys of random adults on that page are absolutely hilarious -- over 100 people actually think Bill Clinton was the best President in the history of the United States. Tribalism at its best. And one more thing: I get a kick out of reading all the anti-Abe articles out there at the libertarian sites. I may not buy it all, but I definitely don't think he's the absolute #1.

 

[bogie]

Just keep in mind that the strategy of the Democrats is an easy one...

"Vote for anyone but a Republican."

That's their message. Their candidates are fighting it out, and they'll end up with a single one. Republican candidates, on the other hand, are weirder than the moonbat fringe...

If the Republican party had the sense, it'd tell the Pat Robertson crowd to go take a hike. Lose the "far right" stuff, and just try to stick with common sense.

In the mean time, well, we're probably going to end up with Hillary in office. And all you "I hate Bush" folks who were influenced by the "anyone but a republican" crowd will piss and moan.

At least the ones who really want someone in office who isn't gonna REALLY screw our civil rights... Patriot act, what have you - we've been at war since the first world trade center bombing. Problem is we are acting like it is something we just watch on TV. There is a block of countries who want to see the rest of the world subjugated back into the middle ages. And every time one of you geniuses starts insisting that they would NEVER use the nerve gas or bio weapons they developed, or the atomic stuff they ARE developing, we are one step closer to having our beaches used only for fishing instead of watching women get sunburnt... That's a Bad Thing...

 

[Mac45]

Don't like a LOT of the things he's done, but if presented with the same choices, I'd vote for him again.