Your View on President Bush

What do you think of President Bush?

  • Great President, Would vote for again.

    Votes: 92 17.5%
  • Great President, No freaking way.

    Votes: 76 14.5%
  • Horrible President, Thank god its over.

    Votes: 357 68.0%

  • Total voters
    525
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My stance isn't reflected in the choices.

W's got his heart in the right place, and his head up his kiester.

A better way of saying it is generally the right ideas, horrible, horrible execution.
 
Don't like a LOT of the things he's done, but if presented with the same choices, I'd vote for him again.

Wow!

A REALIST!

You're a rare breed around here.

I'll see you, and I'll raise you a "I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it, because he's not running again. I'm more concerned with who and what are next."
 
geekWithA.45 said:
W's got his heart in the right place, and his head up his kiester.

A better way of saying it is generally the right ideas, horrible, horrible execution.
I'm not sure about that. He definitely thinks government is the answer to a lot of things in a statist way. It might be more accurate to say that he campaigned on the right ideas, but followed through with very few of them.
 
Ron Paul

I would vote for W again. Gore is an idiot. Kerry is, well, Kerry. What more needs to be said.

Ron Paul is the only candidate that will tell you up front what he will do if elected.

I know, that is hard to imagine coming from a politician. I hear constantly that politicians can not be trusted. Here is your chance, folks. IMNSHO, the only other GOP candidate that I would vote for is Thompson, and that is based on what he did and said while as a Senator from TN. He has not even comitted to running.

A post pointed out that Thompson is smooth, well rounded. I agree, but what are you going to do?

Two options.

Vote for Ron Paul, knowing that what you see is what you get.

Or.

Vote for someone else where what you see may not be close to what you get.


Much better than choice between lesser of two evils.

Anygun
 
I can't believe that people are saying that Bush is "still bedder dan dem dere dems." How can that even be possible? 30 years from now when your grand-kids are patrolling 3 borders in Iraq and 6 borders outside, the oil is still under tribal control, California/Nevada/New Mexico is called Aztlan, and there are government security cameras in your home (for your safety), remind yourselves that Bush was "still bedder dan dem dere dems!"

Also remember that all the power this administration grabbed will be potentially wielded by "dem dere dems" in the very near future. That sounds very much like a Negligent Discharge to me.

Also, from what I've read Bush didn't actually lower taxes, he got a re-fi loan. I know that $300 may have bought you a few more boxes of ammo, but in reality your kids bought 'em for you. Happy Father's Day!
 
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I don't think foreign policy would have been much diff. if the a Dem was elected last term. Both parties are spending us into oblivion. I promised myself I wouldn't vote for either again, but Ron Paul looks very promising. I believe he really stands for what most Americans want, he just realized the Libertarian party wasn't going to get him there.
 
I get a kick out of reading all the anti-Abe articles out there at the libertarian sites. I may not buy it all, but I definitely don't think he's the absolute #1.
He's the one who officially destroyed the republic. Before Lincoln, it was, "The United States are..." After Lincoln, it was, "The United States is..."

--Len.
 
This went from "Bush sucks!" to "Lincoln sucked!" in a mere 4.5 pages.
It was inevitable: Bush is the second president in history to suspend habeas corpus. Guess who the first was? Parallels between Bush and Lincoln are uncanny. I'm careful how I say that, though, because people think I'm complimenting Bush.

--Len.
 
RealGun,
That's over the top, especially on a gun forum. We've done okay actually, thanks to the GOP.
I'm not talking about the GOP's reputation on gun forums. I'm talking about the GOP's reputation out there in the electorate, which, no thanks to him, is somewhere just above tapeworm and just below whale excrement. Do you disagree?
 
he promised to sign into law a ban on assault weapons if passed by congress. That pisses me off but...

I prefer him very much to the alternative in his original race and the second race. I can't help but think gore or kerry would have been much worse for our liberties. They both would have been overjoyed to sign into law a ban on any weapons that their compatriots could have muscled through congress.
 
Undoubtedly the worst President of my lifetime, and will probably remain such.

I guess you were born after Carter, then huh?

Limpest. President. Ever.

The only US president to entirely and completely fail to respond effectively to an invasion of soveriegn US soil.

Long may his name be shamed.
 
the GOP's reputation out there in the electorate, which, no thanks to him, is somewhere just above tapeworm and just below whale excrement. Do you disagree?

Actually, I don't think it's changed that much. What did change had more to do with corrupt politicians in Congress than Bush, even, believe it or not.

There is a core group of people who believe that the only problem with American government is that the Democrats aren't in every single office in the land. Some of them are even ostensibly intelligent. I have talked with some.

(The same can be said of some Republicans, of course. And need I even mention that most third-party members believe that even more strongly about their parties?)

Then there's a core group of people who are serious Conservatives. Note that said group helped shoot down Bush's baby, the Immigration Bill. God knows if that bill was good or not. The Senate tried to shove it through faster than anyone could read it, so the safe bet for me is, "No! If the bill was so good, then they would have released it to the public, and it would have 'sold itself.'" Similar groups shot down Harriet Miers and DPW. These were all Bush defeats, handed to him by the Conservative grassroots.

So, in Bush's disapproval ratings, you have those who never DID approve of Bush, simply because he was a Republican; you have those who disapprove because he ran as a Conservative, but that turned out to mean nothing but lipservice to social conservatives; you have those who reserved judgment and decided they don't like him or the job he's doing.

Note that Congress' ratings are even worse!

I think that the GOP has lost some of its luster -- among its BASE, no less -- because it continued to support Bush when he veered far from conservative principles, not simply because Bush ran as a Republican.

It's a fine line, but it's an important one. Ron Paul, for example, whatever the outcome, won't lose votes because he has R by his name, IMO. He's distanced himself from Bush, consistently, where Bush has distanced himself from libertarian/Goldwater Conservatism, Constitutionalism, whatever you want to call it.

That's a good thing, if you support Ron Paul, for example.

I think many in the general public have loosened party affiliation vs. say 50 years ago. Many more people are registered Independent, DTS, symbolic third party, whatever. I think people are seeing parties more and more as "necessary evil" marketing machines, but not principled ideological groups.

Parties have been losing trust. This is another step; that includes both Bush the Republican and the Democratic Congress at the moment.
 
I don't know anybody that votes the "straight party ticket" anymore but I remember it used to be a choice on the ballot.

Jefferson
 
I don't know anybody that votes the "straight party ticket" anymore but I remember it used to be a choice on the ballot.

I remember hearing a lot more people self-identify as a "Democrat" or "Republican" when I was a kid.

Now I hear politically-aware people say they're "conservative", "fiscally conservative", "socially liberal", "progressive", "libertarian", etc. I seldom ever hear someone assign themselves a party affiliation in conversation, even if they might believe that one party or another is generally a better choice.
 
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The lesser of two evils...

is still an evil.

I voted for Mao because I wanted Stalin less? This is simple stuff.

The right to abstain is as important as the right to vote.
 
I voted for Mao because I wanted Stalin less? This is simple stuff.

Simply silly, actually. Mao never ran against Stalin.:rolleyes: That was never a real choice that any real person had to make.

What about the Germans in the 1930s who supported Hitler's opposition? You know, they kinda sucked, too. But they really were better than Hitler.

It's easy to "prove" a simplistic principle, when you don't have to apply it to the real world.

The only thing that's "simple" is that simplistic statements teach us nothing about how to act in the real world.
 
This went from "Bush sucks!" to "Lincoln sucked!" in a mere 4.5 pages.

some of us started at "Lincoln Sucked!"

The only US president to entirely and completely fail to respond effectively to an invasion of soveriegn US soil.

much as i hate to disagree with you, geek45, clinton did nothing after the first world trade tower bombing. and none of them have done anything about the millions of illegals waltzing across the borders.

but, i'll grant you carter's suckage.

by my count, i'd rank them from worst to not-quite-worst...

lincoln
clinton
bush jr
carter
then captain "great society"

(edit: if bush had managed to get that immigration bill passed, i'd bump him up to the #2 spot in front of clinton)
 
taliv, Nixon kinda sucked, as well.

Woodrow Wilson genuinely sucked. Got us into WW I, when there was simply no reason to take sides other than WASP racial identity. That, in turn, kept us OUT of WW II until the last possible moment. Fewer lives would have been lost on all sides had we jumped in, in 1938. But thanks to Wilson, the American people would not do it, or even believe the horror stories coming out of Germany. They thought it was all just a repeat of Wilson's lying propaganda.

FDR sucked, until WW II. WW II hid a multitude of sins. There's a new book out that's intriguing.

Bush I was no slouch for suckitude.

Hell, I'm thinking Ford rates way up there as a recent great President, given his competition in the past 40+ years.:p

It's easy to criticize, though. I'm not even RUNNING for office.
 
Dumber than dirt

I can't believe how many of my countrymen are dumber than dirt. As a result, we're all going to be dead, or slaves, or dead slaves real soon.

Case in point: the idiotic proposition that "W may have some problems, but he's better than the other guy." WAKE UP!! What you're really saying is that you like the puppet on the right hand better than the puppet on the left hand. The Republicans AND the Democrats are both completely owned and operated by the international banks and the multinational corporations. Our government is no longer ours--we've been taken over by criminals who have nothing but contempt for what we, the people want.

We have one hope: RON PAUL IN 2008 -- A real conservative, and one of a pathetically small handful of Republicans who isn't a RINO
 
The Republicans AND the Democrats are both completely owned and operated by the international banks and the multinational corporations. Our government is no longer ours--we've been taken over by criminals who have nothing but contempt for what we, the people want.

We have one hope: RON PAUL IN 2008

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ROTFLMAO

Full disclosure: I just sent a donation to Ron Paul's campaign. But I still laugh at this sort of hybrid between looney-leftie and libertarian. Gotta love Humboldt, though.

BTW if you have thought about it, donate now. Tomorrow is when they first count donations and donors. If you want the press to take Ron Paul seriously, TODAY is your day to help do it. Tomorrow is too late to make an impression. I'm dead serious. Your $25 carries a lot of weight right now.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate

Whether or not I think he has a chance to win, I do care about making a showing that the press and with every politician out there will notice. A lot of donors and donations will get attention, as they have with Obama.
 
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