In Light of the Recent Shootings....

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Armored farmer said:
At least you'r right about that
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I left out an operative word in my last post - "said by ME...." Referring to my following statements, which took liberty in expanding upon your statements. Not trying to imply YOU are the cynical, pessimistic, conservative libertarian, but referring to myself as such.
 
GBExpat said:
I will not speculate regarding situations that could arise in which I might find a need for the rifle over the pistol, but, at a minimum, having it readily available would provide me some comfort.
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And my contention is that a rifle in your truck, outside of an attack while you are occupying said, is not "readily available," and such distinction drives along a hard line between a defensive shooting and an offensive attack, or a civilian interference. As Sam said, I've never heard an argument for a realistic scenario in which, "run to my truck and get my AR" was the appropriate response.
 
No change for me in what I carry.

My wife and I have changed where we go and what we do in the last few years though. We don't go to any soft spots and stay away from mass gatherings. Sure the occasional trip to Walmart or another retail/grocery store is done, but they are not in major areas.

We are happy just living a simple life being country bumpkins and socializing with a few other country bumpkins.
 
Sam1911 said:
Ahhh. While that gets us to a different current news story, I'll make the following aside:

Just for a quick head-check, foreign-born terrorists have killed something around 3,030 US Citizens since 1975. Including the events of 9/11.

That's about 1/3 the number of citizens as have died strangling to death in their own bedsheets and pillowcases.

And in a nation with a current population of 323,100,000, ... it's probably wise not to get too awful alarmed at apparent rising trends in any such events.
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So true!

For me, it's a slight change for times when I go to...say... a MLB game (which is fairly rare) or a parade (which is even more rare)... or a food tasting street fair... I now tend to walk where I can move behind parked cars or those concrete K-rails.

I'm not in the least worried about a terrorist running me and 50 other people down when I go to the grocery store.

Again, the recent events, I don't perceive to increase my risk much at all and whether I carry 7 rounds or 17, overwhelmingly imo won't make a difference.

For the most part, for me, it's pretty much status quo in terms of being 'prepared for battle'.
 
I posed this very question about a year ago. {give or take} Maybe not this forum, but somewhere.
I usually carry a 8+1 single stack now, with an extra mag. Like many others, I try to avoid large gatherings. I also try to stay out of Philadelphia as much as possible. Cities just creep me out. Too many people, too close together.
I cut my teeth with handguns shooting revolvers. But I never practiced reloading them, so I pretty much stick with semi autos.
I used to just carry a J frame and no speed loaders.
I'm too old to run very far, so I might have to ''stand my ground''.
 
That should be a sufficient reason, since I'm not critical of how or what you carry.
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Oy. See that's the sort of thing I was talking about every time we have one of these conversations folks start to get really sensitive about the subject.

I mean,"Hey I just want to have a rifle with me," is a valid enough reason to have one.

But if anyone asks that we start to discuss how that might be useful or effective in a violent scenario, unfortunately some folks start to feel like they are under attack, and instead of discussing it plainly react very defensively.
 
Varminterror said:
And my contention is that a rifle in your truck, outside of an attack while you are occupying said, is not "readily available," ...
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<shrug&smile> So in the "highly unlikely" event that I will find myself caught up in some kind of deadly attack while in/near my truck (if I have a rifle inside) I will be, perhaps, better prepared to respond with longer-range, more-precise shots.

For me, the Texas church & the congressional ball park attacks reinforced the idea that having a longer-range, precision capability available would not be a bad thing ... even if all I end-up doing is handing that rifle to an under-gunned police officer. :)

We are never in such a terrible situation ... until we are.
 
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Sam1911 said:
Oy. See that's the sort of thing I was talking about every time we have one of these conversations folks start to get really sensitive about the subject.

I mean,"Hey I just want to have a rifle with me," is a valid enough reason to have one.

But if anyone asks that we start to discuss how that might be useful or effective in a violent scenario, unfortunately some folks start to feel like they are under attack, and instead of discussing it plainly react very defensively.
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How about this,....?

President Trump announced that the good Samaritan that shot and wounded the Texas church murderer, "grabbed a rifle from his truck" and neutralized the threat.

That's pretty plain.
 
Holy cow, it's also totally wrong.



The Good Samaritan fellow grabbed a rifle, yes but he grabbed it out of his gun safe in his house. And he wounded the guy, but the guy was able to drive away and eventually killed himself.

Gads that's embarrassing. I know most people won't ever really stop to care whether the president said something true or something false, so it probably really doesn't matter in the end, but I wish he had gotten the story right.
 
I have not changed anything in light of the recent shootings. i was present at the two largest terrorist attacks in this country. I refuse to live in fear.
 
The last thing we need is to devolve to a "Trump said" thread...

With that being said, I don't think that I am particularly likely to significantly up-gun my carry habits for comfort. I literally forget that my TCP is in my pocket at times, because it carries really easily. That gun is something that I have on me constantly, to the point I have to remind myself to take it out when I need to. That means that I'll have it if/when I need it. I don't think that this would be true of a significantly larger pistol if I CCW it. I can open-carry, but I really don't want to open-carry in a lot of the places I go or things that I do. Thus, I don't see myself carrying a bigger gun frequently. Maybe a SCCY or some other 9mm, but I dunno- it's not as high a priority as some other things in life.
 
Sam1911 said:
Holy cow, it's also totally wrong.



The Good Samaritan fellow grabbed a rifle, yes but he grabbed it out of his gun safe in his house. And he wounded the guy, but the guy was able to drive away and eventually killed himself.

Gads that's embarrassing. I know most people won't ever really stop to care whether the president said something true or something false, so it probably really doesn't matter in the end, but I wish he had gotten the story right.
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Not only did he grab it out of his house, but he had to load a magazine before going into battle...

Here is the word from the Hero's Mouth...
 
Armored farmer said:
As for some of you, the only reason I carry my AR under the back seat of my pickup is because it gets uncomfortable iwb by the end of the day.
That should be a sufficient reason, since I'm not critical of how or what you carry.
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Nor am I of you and I hope I don't come across that way. More power to you... and for you. Theres that remote chance you might be saving my but some day.

My only critical-ness is in my 1st post in this thread has to do with the "why" the increase in armory carried.

It seems some people in one thread will howl at the gun banners saying that this type of event isn't getting more common - 'leave my guns alone'. Then in another thread say they're packing more heat because of the recent events.

Imo, by far and large for the average person, if the recent events are the deciding factor for packing more heat, then to some degree it's validation of the Anti's claim that it's getting so much worse to the point that 'something must be done'.

The difference being that 1 wants to pack more heat and the other wants no one to have any heat.

Imo, they are blowing it out of proportion; hence the reason I don't perceive the need to change when or what I carry all of the sudden.

When I feel they are right and not blowing it out of proportion, then I'll change.


If I lived in that town, I'd probably have a rifle in the truck; because of feral hogs not because of the recent events.
 
Varminterror said:
I was referring to the implied reality following the mindset in which MULTIPLE RESPONDENTS ABOVE have stated they're considering keeping an AR/AK/M1Carbine in their vehicle, using the example in this particular thread, a guy sitting in church, a gunman kicking in the door. As is often said, a gun in the truck doesn't do you any good when you're not in the truck, so the implication for the majority of these scenarios invalidates the proposition of extra weapons or extra ammo stored in the vehicle. Whether you find yourself leaving danger, accessing the weapon, then returning, or noticing danger from a safe position and subsequently inserting yourself into said danger, the premise behind a vehicle-stored firearm is dodgy at best. Many folks like to think, myself included, we'll step up and play hero if we ever see evil unfolding, but really, there's an assumption of liability and potential for increased disruption through bystander interference.

What's the plan here for all of these respondents above, copied here below, in keeping a weapon or ammunition off-person in the vehicle? Outside of the select scenario where they are attacked while occupying the vehicle, the implication is they intend to leave security and enter themselves into the dangerous situation which they were not otherwise involved:
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Speaking for myself (repeating myself, from my original post) I have a 9 shield on me CCW (open carry not legal in Fl, and spend MOST of the year in what most people call "summer wear", so I "settle" for 8 rounds of 9mm HP). IN ADDITION to the shield, I have Glocks (23, and 19L) loaded and available in my 2 vehicles- these give me full size handguns with higher magazine capacity should an event occur that the 8 rounds of 9 HP aren't sufficient AND I'm in a vehicle. Usually, there are some type of long guns in the vehicles as well, especially this time of year (hunting season). They are cased and loaded, but they are present. I don't consider this "tactical folly" by any means. In fact, I am better armed than the local police IN a vehicle, and only slightly less well armed when not in the vehicle- because their guns hold more than 8 rounds.
 
I was thinking of upgunning but if someone is going to do armor they'll probably go III+ instead of IIIa I would think, and I don't think any pistol loading can breach III+. For ease of concealability I carry a shield 9mm with a couple of extra mags on sunday morning and an HK usp 40 compact with a spare mag otherwise.

Just for fun I'll *try* to see if I can get my gen2 glock 20 tuckable with a couple of mags, with the right ammo that can breach IIIa. But I don't typically don't wear a jacket at church.
 
I'm less concerned about printing and concealment anywhere but work. I carry a fullsize Glock 34/41 or 1911 much more often. My way overkill .300BLK AR15 is back on home defense duty. My Mossberg is a bad choice for my new location, but it stands ready to go as well. So yeah I've changed, to fullsize pistols far more often than before. That's about it.

I don't plan on having long guns accessible in public. I may build an AR15 pistol and keep it's magazines in a "separate container" for a truck gun. But leaving guns in cars is a serious safety failure in my household, so it'll be rare to have access to it. Because that means loading up every day and putting it away every day.

Remember when Israel had a terrorist attack, almost every weekend? That's Americas future.
 
Armored Farmer asked:
In light of the shootings that have plagued our country lately, has anyone been compelled to change their carry habits?
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No.

After I retire, my approach to carrying concealed will probably change; but it will be to carry less.
 
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