Rebirth of the 32 ACP?

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The .32 NAA is neat. But held back by its fat 380 form factor and rather dated platform (a tiny metal backup gun.)
The .32 NAA is a different creature than both .32 and .380 ACP, it's more powerful and higher velocity. Any .380 could be converted to .32 NAA with a barrel change (like .357 Sig and .40 S&W), but nobody is bothering to do it because the ammo situation for .32 NAA is down to one load made by Hornady.

I'd love to have a .32 NAA in the LCP, but I've resigned to the reality that it's never going to happen and .32 NAA is destined to fade into obscurity.
 
The .32 NAA is a different creature than both .32 and .380 ACP, it's more powerful and higher velocity. Any .380 could be converted to .32 NAA with a barrel change (like .357 Sig and .40 S&W), but nobody is bothering to do it because the ammo situation for .32 NAA is down to one load made by Hornady.

I'd love to have a .32 NAA in the LCP, but I've resigned to the reality that it's never going to happen and .32 NAA is destined to fade into obscurity.

I think if I had to choose between an LCP and a P32, I’d rather have the LCP -but in .32naa. But only if there were at least 3 hot defensive loads available. It’s compelling. The P32 is compelling for its even smaller size, and .32acp as a whole is compelling because of the numerous very nicely made, nicely handling old guns in it, that could be more viable defensive choices if the ammo could be made to be comparable with modern .380 from a self defense standpoint.
 
For EDC I'll take the 380 P3AT variant over the P32. I can shoot the 380 just as effectively: the P32 has less muzzle flip, but my LCPII has actual sights.

There are lots of 32acp pistols that are just plain fun to shoot, though.

When a new shooter is bored with 22 autos, it's time for them to try the Beretta 81, or maybe the Colt 1903.

My friend's teenaged daughter would have happily shot my Model 81 50 more times the other day, but that was all of the ammo I brought for it.

I have some other fun 32acp handguns, but the Model 81 is probably my current favorite.

(factory grips)

(Altamont grips)
 
I remember reading a while back. That bodyguards in certain countries can only carry 32 and smaller handguns due to laws. So they practice a triple tap. Head, neck, and chest.
 
I think if I had to choose between an LCP and a P32, I’d rather have the LCP -but in .32naa. But only if there were at least 3 hot defensive loads available. It’s compelling. The P32 is compelling for its even smaller size, and .32acp as a whole is compelling because of the numerous very nicely made, nicely handling old guns in it, that could be more viable defensive choices if the ammo could be made to be comparable with modern .380 from a self defense standpoint.
Well, that defensive ammunition is going to have to come from European sources because they're the only ones who seem to load .32 ACP to it's full power while the US companies (that aren't boutique makers) all load it low for some reason.
 
Another thing I just thought of that may be playing into the 32 interest is the large volume of surplus berettas recently hitting the market. I should have jumped on that but I didn’t.

That was one of the best surplus deals in a looong time and may end up one of the best ever. People really shied away from them pre Covid because of the caliber. They are awesome guns. We just transferred one from an importer that was selling them for $199 with a $400+ price tag....not a lot of guns double in value in a year.
 
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About the time I turned 21, there was a import flood of European police surplus .32’s at bargain prices. Having always wanted a Walther PPK, I picked up a French Manurhin PP in .32 for $175…the gun show was full of them back then.
That PP became my first carry pistol. I bought a Bianchi #3 “Pistol Pocket” IWB holster, and carried it quite a bit.
It was 100% reliable with anything I loaded it with, and proved very accurate, even out to 25yds.
I stupidly traded it away… and of all the firearms I regret having traded away, that PP tops the list.
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Like you I had both a Walther PP and a Manurhin PP in.32 ACP. Both guns were like new and in great shape (the Walther was a police trade-in though it looked brand new in the box), and they were around $200 for either one of them. Sold the Walther to my brother as he collects older pocket autos and eventually traded the Manurhin for something that I can't even recall what it was.

Wouldn't mind having either one of them back.
 
I know Pocket carry has sure gained in popularity over the past few years and with that came the renewed interest in smaller firearms that fit that definition. The legitimacy of the .380 ACP as a self defense caliber has been debated ad nauseam but probably still is in the forefront of the most popular pocket pistols but that's not the OP's topic.

As most of us know during the past few years there has been an active discussion, both pro and con, on how viable the .32 ACP and to some extent the .32 SW Long rate as real world defensive calibers. At the root of the this, I believe, was the introduction of reasonably priced new micro pistols in this caliber and renewed interest in full size & compact used and surplus handguns made available, again at reasonable prices, by popular online firearm vendors. I previously never owned a pistol in .32 ACP but that changed in 2017 when I bought a CZ 50 followed by a Beretta 81 double stack. I'm a big fan now. I shoot both fairy well and much of the .32 ammunition available today is far superior to what was available 25 years ago.

Most of the time my EDC is a S&W Model 36 Chiefs Special. I find that it conceals well and for 30 years I've become comfortable with a OWB snub at my 4 o'clock. I have a nice holster for the Beretta but have yet to carry it outside my property. Not that I'm concerned about it's capabilities I'm just not comfortable with it.....YET

I would like to add that I don't concern myself with what caliber firearm someone chooses to carry. It's a personal preference. Be it a .22, .32, .380 or whatever you will never hear anything negative from me about your decision on what you use or can afford for self defense.

This is Chris Baker's gel tests of all pocket pistol calibers from .22 LR to .327 Federal Magnum.
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/pocket-pistol-caliber-gel-test-results/#32ACP
 
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I've been carrying a P32 for ten years now, though usually as a second gun. While traveling to and from my NPE work site, it's been an only gun, with eleven rounds on board.

The Ruger LCP MAX, also holding eleven rounds, is changing that somewhat, but the P32 is still so ludicrously easy to carry that I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon.

I do also own two other guns capable of firing .32ACP ammo (LWS-32 Seecamp, and CZ-70), but have yet to fire either.
 
I've carried the P32 (first gen, early 013XX serial) the year they came out. Though I still have it, I replaced it with the latest incarnation that I prefer.

I used to carry nothing but S&B FMJ but about a year ago I converted to Underwood's 55gr +P Extreme Defender. The P32, being a locked breech, is plenty strong enough for this load and my P32 loves them.

My two P32s along with a somewhat similar-sized Taurus TCP
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The belt clip really makes difference
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If you go back and look at the gel tests shown in post #7, the greatest penetration is from FMJ bullets and hollow point bullets that did NOT expand when entering the gel. I believe this test says more about the inability of certain OTS (off the shelf) ammo to do the job we expect of them.

IMO, it does not show/prove that the .32 acp is a man stopper.

IME its not about 32 ballistics; what is not being posted is behind what is.

What gets posted is performance of 32 acp in gel, general advocacy.
What does not get posted is willingness or ability to carry a larger pistol and that is relative.
If one advocating carry of 32 acp carries it wherever, whenever ("bad area" / area of perceived greater threat) that speaks for its self.
However, if 32 is only carried in "good area" but a larger caliber is carried in "dangerous area" / greater anticipated threat - speaks for its self too.
What appears to be caliber advocacy has unposted clothing and/or location factors behind it, more often than not. ;)
 
I developed affection for the Seecamp LWS-32 pistol, as a deep hide-out gun, long ago, probably the early Nineties, a time when I was really “into” compact autos. What I liked about the Seecamp design was that the trigger pivot point was located rather far forward, relative to some other tiny pistols, and it had a large trigger guard opening, so that it did not require me to use a special, “just so” positioning of my trigger finger. I could just draw-and-fire, without special attention to holding the little weapon in a special way, or positioning my trigger finger in a special way. The long-stroke DA trigger pull was a good fit, for me, as I had been diligent in developing DA revolver skill, as a police cadet, and rookie, starting in 1983/1984, when DA revolvers were mandated. Plus, of course, this was relatively affordable Old World craftsmanship.

OTOH, I knew that .32 ACP did not become the Hammer of Thor, just because it was fired from a little gem of a pistol. The main early role, for a Seecamp pistol, in my life, was a specific pocket, in a jacket that was issued to me, by the PD. When a different jacket became standard, it did not have a suitable pocket. Another place I sometimes carried a Seecamp pistol was inside a nylon fabric ankle pouch, though, notably, my usual ankle-holstered gun was a J-Frame, and then, later, an SP101 revolver. For a while, I carried a Seecamp in the right rear pocket of my uniform trousers, in a pocket holster. This was not about the .32 ACP, but about the excellence of the weapon, itself.

Except for that ankle pouch, which I used only occasionally, I was mostly carrying the Seecamp while at work, as a third handgun, a deeply-carried “hide-out” gun, what was sometimes called “Onion Field insurance,” from the book and movie title. The “Onion Field Incident” story was very much a part of police survival training, back in the day.

Then, for a quite long time, a number of years, I did not carry a Seecamp pistol. The third gun faded, in importance, as it seemed more important to retain my first and second guns, and to NEVER allow myself to be taken as a hostage. Thugs and gangsters were no longer taking prisoners, it seemed. When the asking prices rose, due to scalping by speculators, I was able to sell my LWS-32 to a dealer, for what I had paid, new. (That may well have been about the same time I was starting a high-end 1911 phase.) Eventually, as asking prices declined, to nearer the MSRP level, I bought another LWS-32, new. Nostalgia was part of it, by then. Plus, I developed a renewed appreciation for owning niche handguns, again.

In retirement, I have developed an interest in small-frame .32 revolvers, but that is for another section of the THR forums.
 
Managed to get one of the CZ83’s in 7.65 a couple years ago. Like the Beretta 81 and the Bersa Firestorm, it is boringly reliable and accurate. Also managed to purchase a Sig P230 in 7.65, picture later…..

For my pocket carry, it is either the Kel Tek P32 or a Beretta Pico in 380.

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Another thing I just thought of that may be playing into the 32 interest is the large volume of surplus berettas recently hitting the market. I should have jumped on that but I didn’t.

i would be interested in J. M. Browning's thoughts when he introduced the .380 only nine years after having invented the .32 ACP
I think it was a direct response to requests from police looking for more power. Think the frame and slide are basically the same, so - he was able to squeeze the .380 basically into the same designs that were out there. I don't think it was civilians saying they needed a higher power round. Same with .38 Special and .357, police continue to keep asking for higher and higher power cartrdiges. This was seen as the answer to many things, but - skill and training and tactics seem to get lost in the wind in such discussions. Browning from my understanding continued to carry .32ACP ...
 
I think it was a direct response to requests from police looking for more power.
Browning's US customers--Colt, Remington, and Savage--sold almost entirely to civilians. Almost all police officers in this country used revolvers.
Think the frame and slide are basically the same, so - he was able to squeeze the .380 basically into the same designs that were out there.
Yep.
I don't think it was civilians saying they needed a higher power round.
That was my question: what were Browning and the pistol producers thinking?
 
That statement assumes a singular attacker and 100% hit ratio.

Yet, 32 acp is not what you carry if going to a perceived "dangerous area" :
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...is-it-for-you-to-carry-everyday.892813/page-2
"When traveling to dangerous areas or the Mojave, I carry my Glock 19 Gen 4 with Streamlight TLR-1 in a Safariland rig with two magazines"

Yes, that is very true. But I keep a P32 loaded with hot Euro service loads when I can’t carry anything else.
 
i would be interested in J. M. Browning's thoughts when he introduced the .380 only nine years after having invented the .32 ACP
I think it had more to do with wanting a rimless case to reduce issues with loading the magazine and also to get a bigger bullet into a blowback pistol. Everything 100+ years ago was that bigger is better, they certainly didn't have the equipment to be able to test ballistics like we do today.

If .32 ACP had the same type of defense ammunition that .380 has today we'd see the same 1.5x expansion diameter, the same less than 12 inches of penetration in most loads, but the ones that do expand and penetrate would be like the Fiocchi ammo that has minimal expansion, but goes more than 12 inches deep. What more would one want or need from a 7oz pocket pistol?
 
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