No weapons allowed

Last time I encountered one of those signs was at Buffalo Wild Wings. I left my pistol in the car and told my wife to enjoy it because it was the last time I'll ever return. I emailed the company also with no response.

I vote with my dollars and unless it's somewhere I must enter, I visit the next best option.

I won't go in unless it's a business that can not allow guns by Illinois law. I'll then leave it at home or in the car. I'll give my money to businesses that don't discriminate against us.

We have threads that touch on this question A LOT. Very often. REALLY often, in fact.

The obvious answer is it depends on your state laws (as we won't host discussions here about breaking the law).

Further, it depends on whether the site has some form of security screening or not.

Beyond that the question really devolves into various personal preference questions based on each person's opinions of "property rights," theories about WHY a place might have put up that sign really, and even morality and "upbringing."

At that level the question really starts to get touchy, personal, even judgmental sometimes.





(Around here, the signs mean nothing at all, and are treated accordingly. I can only recall seeing one in the last year or three anyway.)

Those signs blind me and I can't see them I normally don't back after that.

I think that carrying weapons routinely creates a kind of psychological dependency. I live in Virginia, but for 30 years I worked in the District of Columbia (parts of which are notorious high-crime areas). The entire District is a "no weapons allowed" zone, and on top of that I worked in a secure government building that was doubly a "no weapons allowed" zone. (Plus I traveled overseas in countries where weapons ownership/possession was highly frowned upon -- meaning that they put you in jail and throw away the key.) So under such circumstances you get used to not carrying and you adjust your behavior accordingly. This is actually somewhat liberating.

In FL those signs carry no weight of law. You can be asked to leave, and if you refuse, you are charged with trespass. Certain locations are a no-no, similar to most states, so for a place like BWW, I would carry (However, since their anti gun policy is well known, I do not go anyway)

I have not noticed a sign posted at the local Buffalo Wild Wings here in Connecticut, but I did see one at a location in Virginia. I asked to speak with the manager and I told her that it was the last time I would order there. I would have walked out if I wasn't collecting a phone-in order for 15 people.

If we don't let these businesses know that No Guns = No Money, nothing will ever change.

AlexanderA said:

This is actually somewhat liberating.

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So is being naked in public, homeless, and/or jobless. Heck, when I worked in corrections there were inmates who were happiest in prison, liberated from the stress of providing for themselves.

As for me. I find having alternatives liberating. Sometimes I choose a 9mm, others a .45acp.

I do admit, sometimes if a sign isn't on the front door or in a very noticeable area, I don't go searching for the No weapons allowed posting.

Like at a theme park this past summer. I told my wife I retain the right to plausible deniablity

I don't read signs so they don't bother me

I don't read signs so they don't bother me

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This might be even better: I don't read so they don't bother me

I'm also in Florida. I carry pretty much wherever the law has failed to prohibit me to do so.

The last time I saw a "no firearms" sign at a private business was in August of 2013, at Chuck E. Cheese's. I carried anyway as I brought my then-five-year old inside.

I was there again with her about a year later (a month or so ago), and the sign was nowhere to be found.

A new community playground is also so posted, but it was built as a joint venture between the community and the elementary school on whose property it sits. Because state law prohibits carry on school grounds, I do not carry when I take here there.

Signs ---- what signs ?

Honestly,I do not "read" the doors to any place I am entering.

IF there is a magnetometer to check if I [ or ANY others ] are armed ,then I will do what I must IF there is still a plan to enter.

Otherwise I can honestly say that I do not EVER read door signage as I expect it to be advertising.

Of course I practice Concealed Carry,so I doubt I would be asked to leave if that was against their policy.

In Texas, assuming it's not a venue in which weapon carry is otherwise prohibited by law (for example, courtrooms, many Federal facilities, the secure area of an airport, etc.) any such sign has to meet very specific criteria, detailed in section 30.06 of the Texas Penal Code, in order to be enforceable by law.

Things may differ in the other 49 states.

I won't knowingly break a law regarding the carrying of weapons, but I've never been a stickler for rules that don't have force of law behind them.

Teachu2 wrote:

Originally Posted by AlexanderA

This is actually somewhat liberating.

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So is being naked in public, homeless, and/or jobless. Heck, when I worked in corrections there were inmates who were happiest in prison, liberated from the stress of providing for themselves.

As for me. I find having alternatives liberating. Sometimes I choose a 9mm, others a .45acp.

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It depends on the realistic threat level. I choose to live where the threat level is very low. By not carrying a gun, I don't have to worry about breaking the law by unwittingly straying into the District or Maryland, or the numerous places around here (post offices, schools, etc.) where carrying is prohibited. This is what I meant when I said "liberating." If I found myself living in a high-crime area, I would prefer to move to a less stressful environment, rather than routinely starting to carry a gun. This is all part of the complex formula called "quality of life." Life is too stressful to load yourself with added stress.

In Kansas I ignore it.

Kansas State Law is very specific about the type of sign and where it must be posted to be legal. Just a "no weapons allowed" sign is meaningless.

Curiously enough a business may prohibit open carry but allow concealed carry as the Warren Theaters do.

Med you can have a gun with you on school grounds IF you are in your car waiting to pick your kid

Signs in Virginia do not carry the weight of law with them. You could ignore them but if you are discovered having a gun with you they can ask you to leave. If you refuse then after the police arrive you can be charged with tresspassing but nothing for violating the no gun sign.

Like scaatylobo mentioned, I do not scan the entrances of retail establishments for signs. The only "sign" that I may sometimes look for is the hours of operation, since I like to do my shopping very early to avoid crowds ... I dislike crowds.

Black Knight said:

Signs in Virginia do not carry the weight of law with them. You could ignore them but if you are discovered having a gun with you they can ask you to leave. If you refuse then after the police arrive you can be charged with tresspassing but nothing for violating the no gun sign.

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Same here in NC.

As Concealed Carry permittees, we are held to a higher standard, supposedly as the more law-abiding and responsible of those who choose to carry. 2A amendment rights aside for the moment, we should obey the signs out of deference for the albeit misguided motives and questionable rationality of those who posted the signs in the first place. If these signs offend our sensibilities, and violate our interpretation of 2A rights, then we should just speak with our wallets, after, of course, making a statement to the store owner that he's cutting his own throat on several levels. One is the obvious loss of revenue from the increasing population of CC permittees,, and another is the eventuality that he's going to wish like hell one of us was in his store the night he gets ripped off at gunpoint by some low-life crack head needing another fix.

I ignore them. Except at work. Those idiots have one posted at every door, which is probably somewhere in the area of 100 doors. It's an eyesore.

I work at at a large vegatable canning and freezing plant. During the height of the season there are 100's of seasonal migratory workers there. Most are good people, dont get me wrong, but at least a few exibit questionable behavior every year. Even if the signs made a difference, us full time employes are outnumberd by people who cant even read them anyway.

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When a sign is posted No Weapons Allowed, and you are carrying what do you do? Go in or bring your weapon to the car.

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If I happen to actually see such a sign, I would either leave my pistol in the car or not go in.

I think that carrying weapons routinely creates a kind of psychological dependency. I live in Virginia, but for 30 years I worked in the District of Columbia (parts of which are notorious high-crime areas). The entire District is a "no weapons allowed" zone, and on top of that I worked in a secure government building that was doubly a "no weapons allowed" zone. (Plus I traveled overseas in countries where weapons ownership/possession was highly frowned upon -- meaning that they put you in jail and throw away the key.) So under such circumstances you get used to not carrying and you adjust your behavior accordingly. This is actually somewhat liberating.

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That's the zebra-at-the-waterhole philosophy -- "the crocodiles and lions will get some other zebra, not me."

Florida

The Sunshine state also passed a pro 2A statue that local government agencies & county/city officials couldn't pass new anti gun laws or post new signs that refuse lawful CCW or guns.
There are noted exceptions: hospitals, jails, court buildings, police stations, etc.
New bills may modify gun owners & license holders to fully carry on college-university campus locations.
I used open & CCW in PA on a trip in 2013. I went on the Clarion University main campus without incident.
To me it's not a major issue.
If I were in a business that asked me to leave & had a posted sign, Id go.
I would not scream & yell.
I've carried guns in uniform & concealed into places. Most people either don't notice or don't care.
If you storm around like tactical Ted or like a Mall Ninja, you might get some remarks.