Jim Rau
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I just wish Marlin would offer a good lever gun in 350 Legend.
Absolutely!does that mean I can tell the wife its his fault?
.45winmag, or 450 bushmaster, Mini would be a must have....I have often thought it would be really interesting for Ruger or some other major manufacturer to resurrect the .44AutoMag, .45WinMag or something similar and chamber it in semi-auto, magazine fed rifles. Something like the original Police Carbine in a gas operated .44AutoMag with 20-30rd magazines and a low power variable scope would be awesome.
You can already find plenty of $400-600 357 or 44 mag leverguns and singleshots.
Those Rossi would sometimes be in the 450 range here, now tho you MIGHT get one for 550.Not sure what point you are trying to make. There are plenty of 44 mag and other straightwall rifles in the price point. People just aren't rushing out to dump their shotguns in favor of them yet. New shotguns are cheap. Sorry to say but low cost is a big part of the hunting market.
Single shot under $400
https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/he...magnum-break-open-rifle#repChildCatid=5025693
Lever under $600
https://www.classicfirearms.com/rossi-920442013-r92-lever-action/
I just wish Marlin would offer a good lever gun in 350 Legend.
No one was arguing otherwise. Most of the hunting market (and gun market in general) is low end. There are plenty of nicer options for more money, however convincing people to spend more does not always work out. The original question was whether or not a bolt gun in a straightwall deer legal cartridge for $400 or so would be met with strong demand. At least from what I've seen in the general hunting community, I think the majority of shotgunners would not be flocking to the store to swap since we already have some options available which they apparantly are not using. To bring over big market share will need to have either a huge perceived advantage (traditional bottleneck centerfires) or be enticingly inexpensive. Budget hunting shotguns and rifles are mostly well under $300 out the door.After shipping and FFL, a mediocre-quality rifle with bad sights, for $590.
Your theory has already been proven wrong in the current market. The Ruger American .450's have sold like hotcakes. As I said, your pricing schedule is way out of date. Entry level rifles are mostly over $400.The original question was whether or not a bolt gun in a straightwall deer legal cartridge for $400 or so would be met with strong demand. At least from what I've seen in the general hunting community, I think the majority of shotgunners would not be flocking to the store to swap since we already have some options available which they apparantly are not using. To bring over big market share will need to have either a huge perceived advantage (traditional bottleneck centerfires) or be enticingly inexpensive. Budget hunting shotguns and rifles are mostly well under $300 out the door.
As I said, your pricing schedule is way out of date. Entry level rifles are mostly over $400.
My American Ranch .450, which is certainly an entry level rifle and exactly the kind we're talking about here, was $450. As I said, these guns have sold extremely well in straight-wall states. Hell, it was a high volume dealer in a straight-wall state that got them made in the first place. The cheapest .450 is going to be the Mossberg Patriot, which will still run $350 without catching a special sale. The sub-$300 guns are going to be high volume models in common bottlenecked chamberings. Which is off topic.Weird that the local Academy store has a bunch of 770 for $259, Axis for $279, Compass $299, Patriot $299, 783 $299 right now. ADLs and Americans are $379. All of them had sales or rebates for $30-75 off during hunting season. Maybe stores price higher in your neighborhood?
A lightweight .44 would be much more pleasant to shoot, be more than enough for 150yds, more easily shot with subsonics and then there is that all-important use of carbide dies and a roll crimp. A .44 levergun is pleasant to shoot in volume. A 16" .450 with a muzzle brake, not so much.IMO, theres a market for cheaper non-auto loading pccs (that arnt singles), but it would be relatively small.
Again IMO, guys that would BUY a straight walled bolt simply because of hunting regs, are also probably more likely to go to straight wall rifle rounds, simply because they are more powerful. Why buy the .357 when u can get another 500fps from the legend, or the .44 when there is the bushmaster.
I used a straightwall in Illinois for 12 seasons. It just came in a 7-1/2" barrel six shooter versionIf Illinois ever started allowing straight walled cartridges, I'd pick up one for deer if I could. Heck, I'd do a single shot if I needed to.
I totally agree, as a general fun shooting gun a .44 is much more pleasant, and plenty capable enough. It just seems to me that most folks would buy the bolt gun for low cost, and possibly more performance, and probably skip the .44 bolt and spend more on a lever gun for pretty much everything else.A lightweight .44 would be much more pleasant to shoot, be more than enough for 150yds, more easily shot with subsonics and then there is that all-important use of carbide dies and a roll crimp. A .44 levergun is pleasant to shoot in volume. A 16" .450 with a muzzle brake, not so much.
Im finding 9mms on ammo seek for 20¢ a round, 38s for 40¢, .357s for 50¢, and .350 legends for 55¢The beautiful thing about .38 S&W, and to a slightly lesser degree .357, is the extremely low cost ammo. .38 is the cheapest centerfire ammo available, and out of a long barrel, even $.25/round LSWHP will expand to 50 yards or more. If someone is an actual shooter, a .357 carbine makes a lot of sense, especially if it could be chambered in a Ruger American for less than the cost of a decent upper.
Certainly no $200-$250 guns as you originally mentioned
The beautiful thing about .38 S&W, and to a slightly lesser degree .357, is the extremely low cost ammo. .38 is the cheapest centerfire ammo available, and out of a long barrel, even $.25/round LSWHP will expand to 50 yards or more. If someone is an actual shooter, a .357 carbine makes a lot of sense, especially if it could be chambered in a Ruger American for less than the cost of a decent upper.