Looks like there may soon be more Constitutional carry states

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I’ll do you one better. We had a presiding judge in south Alabama that carried a M29 in a shoulder holster under his robe. Many of our judges pack J frames in ankle holsters when at work.
I remember watching TV once and seeing Gov. Fob James pull out what appeared to be a J-frame out of a desk drawer. He just sat it on his desk, found the paper he wanted underneath then put it back and closed the drawer. So casual and passive it was like he was just using it for a paperweight.




I am surprised the AL Sheriff's opposed to it didn't slow it down at all.
I fully believe when they (the Sheriffs association) teamed up with Moms Demand Action the same politicians who support law enforcement didn’t want to be associated with a straight up gun control group.
If the Sheriffs association hadn’t joined up with them, I don’t believe it would have passed at all. They destroyed what little credibility they had and revealed they are, among other things, a gun control group and a anti gun politician want last long in AL, out of the Birmingham areaway.
 
Nebraska is trying.........again, but I think Tom Brewer is the only one in Lincoln with enough guts to push for it.
 
Are you sure it is on his desk? Both the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate have to sign the bill before it goes to the Governor. That doesn't necessarily happen the same day the bill is passed. What day they sign the bill will be mentioned in the House and Senate Journals.
Local TV stations here in Cincinnati are reporting that the bill cleared the legislature and was sent to the governor's desk the middle of last week
 
I'm 100% in favor of legal carry both open and concealed. But having said that I know people that I would not feel comfortable with them having a gun without proper training first for their own personal safety.What was that movie line? "You'll shoot your eye out" lol
 
Local TV stations here in Cincinnati are reporting that the bill cleared the legislature and was sent to the governor's desk the middle of last week
Sweet. Of course I'm going to renew my permit right now but it will still be useful for buying firearms at an FFL or for reciprocity in other states.
 
I fully believe when they (the Sheriffs association) teamed up with Moms Demand Action the same politicians who support law enforcement didn’t want to be associated with a straight up gun control group.
If the Sheriffs association hadn’t joined up with them, I don’t believe it would have passed at all. They destroyed what little credibility they had and revealed they are, among other things, a gun control group and a anti gun politician want last long in AL, out of the Birmingham areaway.

My county Sheriff has been very quiet about his stance on CC being passed but found he is against the measure. As far as AL goes, there are not very many CC permits in my county. About 7.3% of the county have permits if my math is right. With such a low number, I don't think gun owners will sway his reelection chances very much.
 
I'm 100% in favor of legal carry both open and concealed. But having said that I know people that I would not feel comfortable with them having a gun without proper training first for their own personal safety.What was that movie line? "You'll shoot your eye
I was just informed that DeWine signed it. It sounded like it goes into effect this month. He has exceeded my expectations on this issue.
 
It’s crazy here in Texas. Constitutional carry passed and there is no difference in daily life. It’s like everyone forgot we were supposed to revert back to Wild West gun slingers overnight. I guess the scare campaigns failed on this one. :thumbup: But with the latest cold bug going around.......... half the population is oxygen deprived with tight fitting diapers as they attempt to drive, alone in their cars.

Yup! The legal gun owners are just doing what they always do, although I only know a few people who have started daily carry since the law passed, since all to thers already had the CHL. OTOH, the convicted felons who have not been prosecuted for illegally carrying firearms in the past, continue to shoot up the city, and if caught, it seems they are still not being charged with firearms law violations. I've only heard of one so far this year, it took him using a Glock 17 illegally converted to a G18 "machine pistol" and a 50 round drum and wounding four HPD officers who acted very bravely and got their man, by the way. Also one of the few reports of those "korean" 50 round drums actually firing 50 rounds :)

And the all O2 deprived Branch Covidians driving around are making the streets and freeways very dangerous.
 
I was just informed that DeWine signed it. It sounded like it goes into effect this month. He has exceeded my expectations on this issue.
I keep looking for as current information as I can get and everything still has it on his desk waiting. Do we see any credible news release the bill has been signed into law?

Ron.
 
I keep looking for as current information as I can get and everything still has it on his desk waiting. Do we see any credible news release the bill has been signed into law?

Ron.
No. The deputy that's in charge of fingerprinting, background checks and CCW permits told me that he signed it when I was getting my permit renewed today. I can't find anything to substantiate it either but she would probably be privy to this info.
 
I was just informed that DeWine signed it. It sounded like it goes into effect this month. He has exceeded my expectations on this issue.

When DeWine signs bills, a press release gets posted here:

https://governor.ohio.gov/media

Unless a bill is passed as an emergency bill, it doesn't take effect for 90 days and not 90 days from signing but rather 90 days after the Secretary of State "journalizes" the bill.
 
I'm 100% in favor of legal carry both open and concealed. But having said that I know people that I would not feel comfortable with them having a gun without proper training first for their own personal safety.What was that movie line? "You'll shoot your eye out" lol
What do you consider to be "proper" training? I'm not aware of any state that requires what I would consider to be "proper" training to get a CC permit. I say this as someone who was a CC instructor for several years.
 
What do you consider to be "proper" training? I'm not aware of any state that requires what I would consider to be "proper" training to get a CC permit. I say this as someone who was a CC instructor for several years.

I know you were not asking me to answer that question so forgive me in advance for offering my perspective as a long time CWP NRA Certified Instructor here in SC which is a state that has a training requirement .... here goes.

Proper Training in this state is defined by first instructing the student in the Laws concerning the possessing of the permit and the carrying of the concealed firearm and the acceptable standards for employing said firearm in a life or death situation. So the training aspect of the course is first instructing, then testing, on situational scenarios in which a firearm may be brandished or put into action. Safety also plays into the course requirements.

Where actual shooting is concerned, there is a proficiency element but actual shooting styles and mechanics are not a part of our course here ... not the one which paves the way towards a CWP application. Some do offer separate courses on handgun proficiency and I have suggested such courses to many whom habe come through my Permit classes.

I teach the laws concerning concealed carry. I am heavily based in scenario instruction. I stress safety. I test on all of these things and on basic proficiency which includes a very liberal accuracy standard and a reload standard. Part of the safety training that I stress are holstering, drawing, carrying on safe and safely, when and how to draw and present the weapon ... but honestly many students need more training on sight picture, front post shooting, immediate action drills, trigger discipline, etc.

From my perspective the Training requirement here in SC is not out of line. I feel it is justified. I didn't used-to feel that way but having had so many go through the class I now realize how many misconceptions there are out there, how many people are unsure or hesitant who have a ron of questions ... and it never fails that there are always one or two in a class who do not take it seriously, they think they know everything, they are unsafe or they simply should not be handling firearms until they receive some basic trwining.

I have had people come to the class with a borrowed firearm who have never fired a firearm in their life. I have had people come to the class who do not know how to load a revolver ... who have loaded a magazine backwards and have stuff so jammed-up .... I've had people shut their eyes when shooting ... let their handgun jump out of their hands from slight recoil ... I've just about seen it all (knock on wood).
 
When DeWine signs bills, a press release gets posted here:

https://governor.ohio.gov/media

Unless a bill is passed as an emergency bill, it doesn't take effect for 90 days and not 90 days from signing but rather 90 days after the Secretary of State "journalizes" the bill.
I know how it works. I'm relating what was said by someone who is actually intimately involved in the CCW licensing process and has been for at least a decade.
 
A bill is a document by which a member of the General Assembly proposes to enact a new law or amend or repeal an existing law. The term “bill” is used to refer to the document from the time it is drafted and delivered to the member until it is considered and approved by both the House and the Senate. After passing both houses, a bill becomes an “act” and must be presented to the Governor for acceptance or rejection. If accepted, or if the Governor does not take any action for ten days, it becomes a “law.”

So actually the governor can veto the bill in which case with enough votes it can be overturned and become law or the governor can let sit on his desk for ten days and it becomes law withoug the governor's signature. We have seen the latter happen before.

I know how it works. I'm relating what was said by someone who is actually intimately involved in the CCW licensing process and has been for at least a decade.
Maybe someone intimately involved got it wrong. Pretty sure when and if the governor signs off on this bill everyone will know about it. The bill was passed 02 March 2022 and indications are DeWine will likely sign the bill despite opposition from the Fraternal Order of Police, Hamilton County Sheriff Charmaine McGuffey and others — emphasized law enforcement opposition to the legislation and characterized it as a threat to the general welfare.

Also in Ohio the process at present is not CCW but referred to as CHL, you get a concealed handgun license. Just trivia. So anyway as of now unless he signed it a short bit ago the bill remains unsigned. That is all there is to it.

Ron
 
I know you were not asking me to answer that question so forgive me in advance for offering my perspective as a long time CWP NRA Certified Instructor here in SC which is a state that has a training requirement .... here goes.

Proper Training in this state is defined by first instructing the student in the Laws concerning the possessing of the permit and the carrying of the concealed firearm and the acceptable standards for employing said firearm in a life or death situation. So the training aspect of the course is first instructing, then testing, on situational scenarios in which a firearm may be brandished or put into action. Safety also plays into the course requirements.

Where actual shooting is concerned, there is a proficiency element but actual shooting styles and mechanics are not a part of our course here ... not the one which paves the way towards a CWP application. Some do offer separate courses on handgun proficiency and I have suggested such courses to many whom habe come through my Permit classes.

I teach the laws concerning concealed carry. I am heavily based in scenario instruction. I stress safety. I test on all of these things and on basic proficiency which includes a very liberal accuracy standard and a reload standard. Part of the safety training that I stress are holstering, drawing, carrying on safe and safely, when and how to draw and present the weapon ... but honestly many students need more training on sight picture, front post shooting, immediate action drills, trigger discipline, etc.

From my perspective the Training requirement here in SC is not out of line. I feel it is justified. I didn't used-to feel that way but having had so many go through the class I now realize how many misconceptions there are out there, how many people are unsure or hesitant who have a ron of questions ... and it never fails that there are always one or two in a class who do not take it seriously, they think they know everything, they are unsafe or they simply should not be handling firearms until they receive some basic trwining.

I have had people come to the class with a borrowed firearm who have never fired a firearm in their life. I have had people come to the class who do not know how to load a revolver ... who have loaded a magazine backwards and have stuff so jammed-up .... I've had people shut their eyes when shooting ... let their handgun jump out of their hands from slight recoil ... I've just about seen it all (knock on wood).
Thanks you answered the question aimed at me.I know someone from work who bought a semi-automatic pistol and did not even know if the safety was on in the up position or off in the up position.
I wouldn't hand car keys to someone who's never driven and say here go drive I would expect him to learn how to operate a motor vehicle first same thing applies to guns as far as I'm concerned
 
Thanks you answered the question aimed at me.I know someone from work who bought a semi-automatic pistol and did not even know if the safety was on in the up position or off in the up position.
I wouldn't hand car keys to someone who's never driven and say here go drive I would expect him to learn how to operate a motor vehicle first same thing applies to guns as far as I'm concerned
My point with the question was that, IMO, no state required CCW course that I know of comes even remotely close to being sufficient training for someone to competently to carry and possibly use a gun. Responsible people should go far beyond that. Very few do.

That being said, I'd be interested to see if anyone could come up with any evidence showing that either firearms accidents or unjustified homicides occur at a higher rate in states that don't require training for carry than in those that do. I suspect that there isn't a significant difference, if any.
 
So actually the governor can veto the bill in which case with enough votes it can be overturned and become law or the governor can let sit on his desk for ten days and it becomes law withoug the governor's signature. We have seen the latter happen before.


Maybe someone intimately involved got it wrong. Pretty sure when and if the governor signs off on this bill everyone will know about it. The bill was passed 02 March 2022 and indications are DeWine will likely sign the bill despite opposition from the Fraternal Order of Police, Hamilton County Sheriff Charmaine McGuffey and others — emphasized law enforcement opposition to the legislation and characterized it as a threat to the general welfare.
Maybe. Maybe something funny is going on. I'm just relaying what she said as I found it a curious thing myself. I think he'll sign it if he hasn't already and I think some Ohio police are overreacting to this just like some Ohio police overreacted to the original CCW law in 2004. As I recall, there were some very resistant officers back then to put it mildly. I went ahead and got my permit anyways as it's free for me and, more importantly, it's a matter of convenience. Were I too have an encounter with law enforcement, I would still inform them as a courtesy and it isn't worth making a fuss about it although, that being said, I'm happy the legal requirement was removed. Next I would like to see the force of law taken away from signage.
Also in Ohio the process at present is not CCW but referred to as CHL, you get a concealed handgun license. Just trivia. So anyway as of now unless he signed it a short bit ago the bill remains unsigned. That is all there is to it.

Ron
It's pretty typically referred to as CCW actually.
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From the Ohio Attorney General's publication:
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Just read Georgia Senate passed cc Bill. The same unfounded claims being thrown around. Criminals are the ones doing the shooting and ignore the laws that we have to follow. We are a country of ignorant people who don't learn from history.
 
No. The deputy that's in charge of fingerprinting, background checks and CCW permits told me that he signed it when I was getting my permit renewed today. I can't find anything to substantiate it either but she would probably be privy to this info.
The deputy is mistaken. DeWine hasn't signed it yet, and even when he does, it'll take ninety days to go into effect. The time period specified by the Ohio Constitution is ninety days, and this bill certainly didn't get the three-fourths vote to make it an emergency bill.

I'm confident he'll sign it, though. As with stand-your-ground, he made a campaign promise and he's pointed out issues with the idea that you need a permit to carry concealed but not to carry openly. DeWine is really stupid on many issues, but something he has a knack for is seeing the need to correct double standards in our criminal code.

We shall see. "Show me, Mr. DeWine."
 
I think some Ohio police are overreacting to this just like some Ohio police overreacted to the original CCW law in 2004. As I recall, there were some very resistant officers back then to put it mildly.
I used to know Mike Tussey, one of the police officers who went to the Statehouse in 2003 to testify in favor of the concealed handgun license bill. Apparently, the reason that the concealed handgun license law in Ohio was written only allow you to carry handguns concealed, was to get the Ohio Highway Patrol Association to support the bill in addition to the Buckeye State Sheriff's Association.

Nice guy. I wonder what his stance on constitutional carry is, though from my conversations with him on gun laws, I imagine he'd be in favor. Sorry, getting off-topic here.
 
That is common. Shouldn't be, but it is. In Ohio, it's a license to carry a concealed handgun only. No other weapon. I think that's what Reloadron was getting at.
Right. The rifle thing is kind of stupid but that's a battle for another day. I don't think a cop killer would be influenced to not carry a rifle in his vehicle because it's illegal. In Texas, there are no laws regulating carrying a rifle in the vehicle. You can have your AR15 loaded, concealed or in plain sight and within reach as you drive down the road. It would be interesting to see how many cops were shot by law abiding people who were lawfully carrying rifles in their vehicle for carrying out lawful purposes. Again, a fleeing bankrobber probably wouldn't be swayed by any law that prohibits carrying a rifle in his getaway vehicle. A law abider just isn't going to get into a firefight with a cop over a 66 in a 55.
 
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