Done got disarmed.

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Yes, they know you have a CCW

AzAndy-

your CCW is coupled with your drivers license number in the NCIC database, and your DL is cross referenced with any vehicles you have registered in your name.

So the second he calls in your tag number, the first thing that will pop up on the dispatcher's screen is a response from DMV that the registered owner of that vehicle has a CCW. And that will be one of the first things they tell him on the radio.

So yep, they DO know you have a CCW before they approach the vehicle.
 
Ramius, in Arizona, whether or not the officer sees that information, as I understand it, depends upon which screen he looks at when he calls up your info. It doesn't necessarily show up on the first screen in blinking red. It may vary depending upon the officer's jurisdiction, as well.
 
Cheese and crackers, Prescott is my heaven! I am going out there for a friend's 50th birthday and 4th of July, as usual I'll be wearing a .45 on both hips , I DO have an AZ CCW (and a Calif. LEO card) but I will be going fast with a $1000 worth of anti radar in that radar happy neck of the woods!
 
I was curious as to whether your tires are oversized. Have you checked your speed against those roadside radars lately? (Although these are for around 30-35 mph, usually. Zooming through one at 55 just to check your speedometer at 55 is not a good idea, since I guess they're usually only in residential areas.)

I think maybe you caught a break. Don't like the idea of having a closed firearm handed to me, and normally if this happens even at a gun shop or show, or with an individual, I'll ask them to open the action and make sure it's clear.

But not with a Police Officer.

They may not always be right, but they're never wrong.

It's the law here in CO to surrender one's firearm on request of a Commisiioned Peace Officer, and I guess that's ok, I'll go along with it, but just routinely checking the serial number irks me. Carts. Horses. Innocence. Guilt. Just bugs me is all, though I'll never let it create an "attitude" on my part.

I'm not implying youhad an attitude --seems you handled it appropriately --just saying that howsomever I'm irked, I'll be cheerfully cooperative.

[brag] I too, have not been stopped for about thirty years... so watch, tomorrow I'll get tagged for malicious mopery or something.[/brag]

--Terry
 
VARifleman: I would advise saying that you don't think that's good for either person's safety as the officer is not familiar with either that gun, holster, or location.
Come on, rifleman, you know that cops are the only ones really qualified to handle firearms. :evil:
 
Total friggin harassment. Pulled over for bogus speeding, then lied to by a sworn officer about the reason. Fished, groped, disarmed, and then warned to not do something that you didn't.

I would be pissed. I have nothing even remotely high road to say about this.
 
The first concealed carry class I ever went to was conducted by a Fort Worth police officer. In this class we were taught that we had to inform the officer if we had a permit and to hand it over along with the driver's license and if we didn't and he ran our license and saw that we had a permit and hadn't told him we were in violation. He also said that in his case when he stops someone and they have a permit and show it to him he feels much more at ease since this person has obviously had a background check and is one of the good guys.
 
I have only been pulled over 2x in AZ. The first was years and years ago, and I was from another state but did not have my pistol with me at that moment. The state I was from required immediate notification of LEO upon being asked for identification, so I handed both to the officer. He asked me why.

The second time, I had lived in AZ for years, and did not bother showing it to him. And had several guns in the car. No issue.

I've been pulled over one time when the officer asked "if I minded if he held onto my pistol while we were stopped." I said, no problem, pulled it, unloaded it, and handed it to him through the window. Kept the ammo in my lap.
 
There are pro-gun cops and anti-gun cops. And unfortunately, an individual department's hiring criteria can play a big role in that ratio with more and more rookies, it seems, having little prior experience with firearms. I don't always admit on internet gun forums that I'm LEO, because too many of them have members that despise police. Some even have discussions with titles like "good cop, bad cop" where people air their grievances. I read them and cringe at every "bad cop" post. I'm a firearms enthusiast who supports the second ammendment--not the "hunters and sportsmen" interpretation, but the INDIVIDUAL right to keep and bear arms. So it pains me when people who share my enthusiasms and ideals consider me the enemy because of what some other idiot in blue did. And I usually keep my profession to myself on these forums so that my posts may be judged on their merit alone. But someone asked for an LEO member's opinion on the disarming of CCW motorists on traffic stops, and I couldn't resist.

When I stop someone for a traffic violation with the intent to issue a citation, I do appreciate it when they inform me that they are armed and have a CCW right off the bat. It puts me at ease--especially if they've already retrieved their license. I usually say something like, "No problem. Thanks for letting me know. I'm not going to ask you to surrender your firearm. All I need you to do is, without reaching or pointing, tell me where your handgun is. Okay, so there won't be any misunderstandings, please keep your hands where I can see them at all times, preferably on the steering wheel. The reason I stopped you was...." The way I see it, a person who has bothered to obtain a CCW is usually basically law-abiding and is not likely to shoot a cop. But whether I think he would or not, I certainly don't want anyone I've stopped, CCW holder or not, to put his hands on his weapon--even to hand it over. So I'm NOT going to ask him to give me his handgun. There are some exceptions, and I think that some officers may be disarming all motorists they stop with the following in mind:

In my state, a traffic stop is technically a misdemeanor arrest, The officer observes a misdemeanor in the form of a traffic violation and stops the offender. And usually, the officer issues a citation in lieu of continued custody. Sometimes, however, the officer has to take the driver into custody--the decision to do so usually arising out of a discovery that the driver's license is revoked, there is a warrant outstanding, etc. And this discovery isn't usually made until well after the initial face-to-face with the motorist. In my experience, the demeanor of a stopped motorist can change dramatically when informed that he's under arrest, and I would be more at ease if the man I learned I had to arrest had been completely disarmed prior to that discovery.

So I guess some officers prefer to disarm everyone they stop at the beginning of the stop as a routine practice before moods change and the driver has a chance to think too much--just in case they end up having to take the driver into custody. I guess it makes sense to them from an officer safety point of view. But unless I search the driver and the car thoroughly, I can't assume that the driver is disarmed just because he surrendered a handgun to me. And I'm not willing to insult hundreds of CCW holders for an officer safety habit that is, arguably, less safe than just keeping everyone's hands away from all weapons. And in my experience, I'd have to disarm many hundreds of CCW holders unnecessarily before I encountered one that actually had to go to jail. In fact, in over 17 years as a police officer, I have yet to stop a CCW whom I had to take to jail. I guess that says a lot about the character of most CCW's, doesn't it? So I do not routinely disarm CCW motorists. But police officers are subject to a myriad of department rules and regulations that make little sense, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if some departments had an SOP requiring CCW disarmament at all traffic stops. So please don't necessarily hold it against the officer.

Does the posession of a CCW by the driver affect my decision to write a ticket? No, none at all--nor should it. But I have had to set a few drivers straight who loudly complained that the only reason I ticketed them was because they were armed. I dislike writing tickets. I really dislike writing tickets to nice people. But it is part of my job, so I try to be impartial about it. Those of you who just got a warning citation, did it bother you at all that your chances of having to pay a fine seemed to depend heavily on the mood or whim of the police officer who stopped you? I'm sure you were glad he let you go with a warning, but would you have assumed some sort of prejudice on his part if he hadn't?
 
johncantiusgarand :

Boy, you must be pro-2A with a handle like that. I never knew his middle name.

Welcome aboard, if you haven't been welcomed before.

And thanks for your insights, especially about a lot of procedures being dictated by the Department.

It's a good reminder.

--Terry
 
Why do you people preach concealed is concealed and then hand over your CCW info when it's not required?

Stop it. All you are doing is inviting more problems.

Especially in this situation when I'm wondering why you were pulled over to begin with.
 
I can never get a clear answer to this question. Even my CCW instructor left me a little confused. I don't drink, so I seriously doubt that I'd be pulled over for something like that, but if I ever get pulled over for speeding is it advisable to tell the officer up front that I have a CCW or wait until asked. I'm in VA by the way. Thanks in advance...
 
I agree with P-32. I dont care if im shown your permit or not, but if I am made aware we have some things to talk about. I want to know what your carrying and what caliber. Do I want to see it?, deponds on if ive seen what your carrying before:).

Personally if someone hands me a ccw permit I think law abiding citizen. Do I need to disarm u during the stop? nope.

Officers are trained to secure weapons during training in most situations is why you see alot of this stuff. Im more worried about the criminal that is not going to tell me anything. And alot of officers have never shot a gun before the academy.

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I agree with the assessment that the officer must have been a rookie. I've been pulled over by Prescott police and AZ DPS and the only time I was ever disarmed was when my wife and I were pulled over because they mistook us for a couple fugitives with a similar description.

Even one time I was stopped with a pile of evil black rifles in the back seat, the officer seemed more curious than concerned.
 
I can hardly believe he reached into your pocket to get the gun. If he had accidentally fired it, while still in your pocket, think of the injuries you may have received. Many newer officers have not had any training with revolvers.
And, as pointed out earlier, he was not in control of you or the situation.

lawson4
 
1. Is it really safer to disarm someone during a simple traffic stop? Seems to me that the unnecessary handling of guns is just asking for trouble.

Many states do this, I know Florida does, not so much as to dissarm you as to run the serial to make sure it isnt stolen (not that you would tell him you had a gun if it was :)) also it puts them at ease, some states their back up might be miles away ( more so at night on the highway)

2. Is it really a good idea to, having taken a gun from a person, unload it? Ditto unnecessary handling.

Again this depends on the officer, mabye he isnt comfortable with you drawing the loaded gun for him

3. Should a police officer, having presumably been the recipient of at least some basic training in the handling of firearms, hand a revolver to its owner with the cylinder closed? Much picking of nits, I know, and it's not really a big deal to me... but still, that ain't right. I like the courtesy of having a firearm's state of unloadedness (or otherwise!) immediately obvious when handing it to me.

Mabye not the safest bet, I know here in florida, they do not hand the gun back to you, they put it in your back seat, magazine removed (on auto loaders) and the magazine emptied, then they will politely say "would you mind not loading that until I have left" at least thats what the cop did when I was stoped ;)

4. Since the officer involved seemed to have some concern about firearms in his presence, should it not have crossed his mind that the bulging range bag into which he was dumping my cartridges might contain other firearms? (And it did: a Springfield 1911, Kel-Tec .32, and a Romanian TTC-- I didn't think about that at all, I was just concerned with letting him know about what I had on my person. The presence of the other guns didn't even hit me until I pulled into the parking lot at the range.)

This might have been less of a concern because in a rage bag they are "less" readily available,

5. Since the law doesn't require me to alert the officer to a concealed weapon and the permit thereof, should I have even bothered?

My philosophy is alert them right away regardless of weither you are "required to by law" This is just common courtesy, also cops appreciate it, that little nice deed may even get you out of the ticket



On a side note, I was stopped once for a "rolling stop" at a stop sign, when the cop asked me if I had any weapons handgrenades etc I kindly told him that I had my unloaded M1 Garand in the trunk, he asked to see it, didn't run the SN on it, but just said, these are such great rifles, I agreed and he let me go with a verbal warning.
 
He wanted to check out (fondle) your CCW.

He unloaded it so he could dry fire. That was a "off duty gun shopping trip" hidden in a traffic stop. :p

the officer just was too shy to say it.
 
I can never get a clear answer to this question. Even my CCW instructor left me a little confused. I don't drink, so I seriously doubt that I'd be pulled over for something like that, but if I ever get pulled over for speeding is it advisable to tell the officer up front that I have a CCW or wait until asked. I'm in VA by the way. Thanks in advance...

There is no duty to inform in VA. However, DMV does include your CCW info so likely they will already know.

A thread on officer.com has a few posts that indicate most expect to be notified. http://forums.officer.com/showthread.php?p=1203092
 
As a former LEO, I think you did exactly the right thing. You informed the officer about something he likely already knew, and the fact that you did so without being literally required to under your state law most likely gave the officer a clue as to your attitude.

In a traffic stop (or any "official" encounter with an LEO), attitude may not be everything, but it counts for a lot. If you had been tight-lipped and questioned him as to why he was requesting you to exit your vehicle, I can almost guarantee that you would have received more than a warning.
 
I follow the advice given by Ayoob when I took LFI-1 a number of years back. If the state I am in does not require notification, then I do not notify. If the officer asks, I'll tell him.

If the officer tells me to get out of the car and he has not yet asked, then I will tell him at that point (since he's undoubtedly going to do at least a Terry frisk and I'd rather he knows about it first). In this specific situation, I will respond with: "Certainly, officer. However, I have a license to carry and I am carrying now. How would you like me to proceed?"

I live in MA where we are not required to notify. I know someone who did notify on a simple traffic stop (minor speeding) and wound up proned out on the pavement at gunpoint, cuffed, and stuffed, etc.
 
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If someone wants to shoot a cop, they probably don't have a permit, and probably already are a convicted felon. I think disarming someone for a speeding ticket is overboard...
 
If I didn't have to tell him that I was carrying then I would not have.
Here in NC you have to tell a cop asap. If you don't tell him and he runs your license it will show up there.
You got to tell them even if you are NOT carrying at that time.
 
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