Limp wristing

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davdef

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Help me understand what this means. I don't think I've ever had it, but I read about it here. I have a Kahr PM40 and a HK45. I've fired a variety of other weapons.

Am I to understand that there are certain firearms, that if you do not hold them with a stout grip, that the slide might fail to fully cycle the next round? This would be an unacceptable defect in my opinion. But I see some people defend their favorite manufacturer by alleging that whomever is complaining of the defect must be limp wristing.

I nearly always think to myself when I read these comments "who cares if he's limp wristing" the darn thing needs to work. What if you dive for cover, break your wrist, and draw your weapon? It needs to work right then more than ever.

Unlikely scenario, I know, but the reason I carry in the first place is to be prepared for what is (hopefully) a very unlikely scenario in the first place.

To me it seems, that a firearm is not a reliable firearm if it cannot function with a loose grip. (It also needs to operate upside down - dirty - cold - and moist - and any possible combination of real life worst case conditions)

Obviously, is someone posts that they are having problems, then asking them about their technique is a key part of diagnosing the problem, but as far as I'm concerned, a weapon that can only function under optimal conditions is not to be trusted. They should be designed to function independent of grip.

I didn't mean to go on a rant, I just wanted to be sure that I understood what people mean by limp wristing and if people bring it up to defend the firearm (thats how I read it) or if it is just diagnostics.
 
You can limp wrist just about any semi-auto.The one's not particularly prone to it are direct blowback guns like the Makarov and the PA63.Basicly what happens is that if one is too ''casual'' with one's grip, all the the force of the recoil,which is supposed to strip off the next round from the mag,and cycle the action,is used up,because your arm and wrist have ''ridden'' the recoil,effectivly dampening the recoil,leaving not enough energy to fully cycle the action.If you are worried about it,get a revolver,or direct blowback semi auto.The Makarov and PA63 are ''snappier'',haveing a solid non-moving barrel,with no swinging link.The downside of direct blowback is that you have to keep an eye on the condition of the recoil spring,to avoid FTF and excessive battering of the gun.
 
Basicly what happens is that if one is too ''casual'' with one's grip, all the the force of the recoil,which is supposed to strip off the next round from the mag,and cycle the action,is used up,because your arm and wrist have ''ridden'' the recoil,effectivly dampening the recoil,leaving not enough energy to fully cycle the action.
As a note, my glock 19 with factory ammo will NOT limpwrist, no matter how skimpy the grip.
There is something about these quotes that "don't add up"! :rolleyes: If there is such a phenomenon; can't be exceptions in the Laws of Physics....:scrutiny:
Now, let me give you my take...Like the "break-in" baloney, this is another clever piece of propaganda perpetrated by the gun industry to explain their sloppy workmanship & lack of QC. If your pistol is so precariously reliable by the force of your hold, I think you have a lousy piece of equipment, my opinion of course...:rolleyes: Kind a like your pistol only accepting one-type of ammo, meaning it is just a hair of going in a negative direction even with that ammo....
 
There are more video's of limp wrist tests on You Tube than you can watch in a day. Watch them and what you will find is that the polymer framed pistols are more likely to malfunction than a steel framed pistol. That doesn't mean, It always happens to polymer pistols and never happens to steel pistols, just that it is more common.

I don't think much about it, they are shooting a gun in a manner it was not designed to shoot and when it malfunctions people seem surprised. Odds are if your wrist is in bad enough shape that you limp wrist you weren't going to hit your target anyway. Not to mention this is why we practice week hand shooting.

I also believe your right about it being a cop-out. I have never personally seen a failure due to limp-wristing. The 1911 platform gets this accusation more than others and I have never seen a 1911 malfunction due to limp-wristing, even on you tube, but I haven't watched them all. It certainly seems to be a common cop out. If you are holding the gun firmly at all, it shouldn't malfunction.

Pistols just aren't meant to be shot with 2 fingers, and I'm not gonna try it.
 
Just because you are shooting with one hand or in a weird position DOES NOT mean you automatically are "limp wristing". I have shot my G30SF(one of the biggest culprits) even one handed with my left hand, rapid fire with no problems.
 
To me it seems, that a firearm is not a reliable firearm if it cannot function with a loose grip. (It also needs to operate upside down - dirty - cold - and moist - and any possible combination of real life worst case conditions)

This is why we teach women (and men) to shoot revolvers.

If you cannot clear your "social calendar" with 5,6 or 7 shots, you are not likely to be able to with 10 or more shots.
 
That is just a downfall of an auto design. If you break your wrist shooting ANY handgun would most likely cause you to drop it and cause so much pain you will barely be able to take it. I believe if you are in a situation where you seriously hurt yourself by breaking a bone you are a lot better off trying to get out of the area fast. I have never had a problem with my G19 so to me I don't really care... I doubt I will ever limp wrist it anyway so it isn't a big deal to me... I prefer to not be rambo if the SHTF anyway... If I am shooting it will most likely be from behind cover or I will be getting out of there.
 
I prefer to not be rambo if the SHTF anyway... If I am shooting it will most likely be from behind cover or I will be getting out of there.

Ain't that the truth.....too many video game commandos imaging the end of the world. If you're uncomfortable about the possibility of limp-wristing, get a revolver
 
It's a matter of action vs reaction. If your grip on the frame is stable and the frame doesn't move when the gun is fired, all of the energy is used to cycle the action. If your grip is weak/unstable then the frame moves as the action is trying to cycle, that loss of inertia can keep the slide from cycling fully causing a failure - ftf, fte, stovepipe.
 
You shooting, slide fails to cycle. . .
Me shooting, slide cycles like it should. . .
You limp wristed. . .
If it fails to cycle for both of us, probably the gun and time to have it checked out!
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If anyone is passing through Nashville in the near future, I will pay you a hundred bucks if you can induce a "limp wristing failure in one of my pair of Model 19 Glocks (2Gen).

I have heard the range/gunstore/tacticalfool commandos expounding at length about the subject. I have asked half a dozen to demonstrate it. Nada.

I once worked for a 1400 man police department that never had a single "limp wristing" with Smith 5903/5904s in the 10 years that they carried them. In 20 years with active and guard service, we never had a "limp wristing with a 1911, nor was it mentioned in any field or technical manual.

Somehow this was not a problem before the internet.(internet = BS at the speed of light)
 
Somehow this was not a problem before the internet.(internet = BS at the speed of light)

Not internet BS...

I have a G17 (as did another member above), which I've fired 1k+ rounds of various ammo from and never had any malfunctions.

Put it in the hands of my 16 year old cousin who has never shot a pistol in his life? Failed 4 times in a row. Once I got over the amazement that my Glock was malfunctioning, I told him to tighten up his grip, and he followed up with 10 successful rounds.
 
It really simple physics.
The force of the bullet leaving is affecting the gun in the opposite direction withe the same force. If someone is holding the gun, that power will move the slide. If no one is holding the gun (if its in mid air) it will simply move the whole gun, since its easier than overcomming the recoilspring. Limp wristing is something in between, where some power moves the gun, and some but not enough, moves the slide. It DOES happen, but in a service weapon there should safe margins to prevent this from occuring. Never happened to me, but i think I will provoke it next time at the range, just to prove it to myself. :)
 
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