MikePGS
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Were the OP interested in this suggestion, I'd like to point out that The Rabbi is selling a mess of 10's at around 200 a piece on .us
.22 for defense/house gun. who has one?
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MatthewVanitas
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Purely anecdotal, but one of the gunwriters (Cooper?) had a bit about how the most extreme case he heard was of a guy who had an entire tube-mag of .22 (so 14-18 rounds) dumped into him, and still managed to tackle and clobber his assailant, and then walk down the road to use a payphone to call an ambulance before collapsing.
Granted, there are also plenty of newspaper articles with "hit in the chest with one shot of .22, dropped dead on the spot," but .22LR seems to have a huge luck factor involved.
Granted, there are also plenty of newspaper articles with "hit in the chest with one shot of .22, dropped dead on the spot," but .22LR seems to have a huge luck factor involved.
Armed 24/7
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I often leave my Sig Mosquito in the nightstand for my Wife (No Kids in household). I have it loaded with CCI Mini-Mags, since thats what it likes. She also has access to the Mossberg 500 Persuader in the closet though.
280shooter
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shoot untill it stops coming at you.then add a few more for good measure,
280shooter, that is not legally sound advice. Coup de grace is not looked at kindly in the court system.
A .22 is better than nothing. But with stopping power in mind, its not that much better than a steel pipe. It's more of a loud noise and physical pain deterent rather than an actual man stopper.
Also rimfire ammo is undeniably more prone to failures than centerfire.
But if you must do stick with premium ammo like CCI stingers, velocitors, etc.
Also keep in mind that the smaller the bullet the smaller your margin for error is. Accuracy is even more important than if you had a 9mm or .45.
A .22 is better than nothing. But with stopping power in mind, its not that much better than a steel pipe. It's more of a loud noise and physical pain deterent rather than an actual man stopper.
Also rimfire ammo is undeniably more prone to failures than centerfire.
But if you must do stick with premium ammo like CCI stingers, velocitors, etc.
Also keep in mind that the smaller the bullet the smaller your margin for error is. Accuracy is even more important than if you had a 9mm or .45.
Boba Fett
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*Laugh*
Sorry, that just struck me as funny.
One thing that is certainly better is that you can hit that person with the "steel pipe" several times and from further away...
Really?? I didn't know that. Considering the 3000+ rounds of 22 I've gone through in the Ruger MKII and the rifle, I can't recall ever having a single dud.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I've just never had a single 22lr failure that I can recall. I have had a couple of 9mm and one 7.62x54R not go off and that pretty much accounts for all the rounds that failed on me.
You're going to have to explain that one to me. Maybe I'm just not reading it right, but if you point a 9mm, a 45 ACP, or a 22lr at the exact same spot (for sake of argument, lets say you have it in a vice to limit human error) and pull the trigger...shouldn't they all hit the same spot?
If this were outside, I could see the possibility for the wind to mess with things a bit, but this is for home defense.
Please explain how it is more important. Thanks!
brisendines
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22s work, shotguns work RIGHT NOW. I don't understand people that are willing to make the same concessions at home as they do walking around in public.
Big Daddy Grim
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.22 will work I was witness to guy who got shot by a 4 barrel deringer in .22 Mag. Guy died right there bought 4 in the chest knocked him over pretty slick. I personally was glad he had no follow up shot because me and the other bouncers dropped him. I'll tell you for a .22 HP damn thing did a ton of damage. Personally though I will stick with my old 500 Mossberg behind my door but a .22 will work.
Arbor
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Don't underestimate the lethality of the .22! On the farm, we killed everything from wild pigs to cows with .22 rimfire, it's all about shot placement. Humans have one of the biggest "instant kill" areas in the animal kingdom, thanks to our large brains. You couldn't pay me any amount of money to get shot in the chest with a .22 either, especially multiple times.
Well Boba,
Although a .22 lets you hit the person from farther away a steel pipe probably has more stopping power depending where you hit them.
Rimfire does not ignite as reliably as centerfire. It also is more prone to split casings because the cases are extra thin, that means FTE due to an expanded case. Quality control is not up to par with most centerfire
ammo. The guns themselves are not less reliable, its just that the ammo's design does not allow for as much reliablility.
To put the "margin of error" thing into perspective, imagine trying to hit even a large beetle with a handgun. Now say this beetle is flying, crawling and generally moving around in its best effort not to get shot. Wouldn't it be easier to hit it if your bullets were bigger, covered more area? If say you had 11mms of width instead of about 6mms? That'd be .45 to .22. Get my point?
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Although a .22 lets you hit the person from farther away a steel pipe probably has more stopping power depending where you hit them.
Rimfire does not ignite as reliably as centerfire. It also is more prone to split casings because the cases are extra thin, that means FTE due to an expanded case. Quality control is not up to par with most centerfire
ammo. The guns themselves are not less reliable, its just that the ammo's design does not allow for as much reliablility.
To put the "margin of error" thing into perspective, imagine trying to hit even a large beetle with a handgun. Now say this beetle is flying, crawling and generally moving around in its best effort not to get shot. Wouldn't it be easier to hit it if your bullets were bigger, covered more area? If say you had 11mms of width instead of about 6mms? That'd be .45 to .22. Get my point?
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colorado_handgunner
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Second for the shotgun. While my 40S&W was in the shop, all I had was my 22 and my 12 gauge. I kept the 22 ready, but would only have used it to get to the Remy. Once my 40 came back, it took back its rightful place on the nightstand.
shiftyer1
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I keep a .22 revolver loaded with snake shot in my kitchen. Mostly because I had a snake under my kitchen sink cabinet a few months ago.
wuchak
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I have a Charger too and it's a fun gun but the .357, 9mm, and .380 get home defense duty. If all I had was the Charger I would use it but I'd be saving for something better.
Boba Fett
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Thanks!
Didn't know that about rimfire ammo. I guess I've just been lucky thus far. Good to know.
I do get what you are saying about the "margin of error."
But in terms of humans, most hand gun ammo would be the same and you need to move up to things like shotguns if you want any truly measurable difference in the margin, IMO.
I'm not saying that bigger isn't better, just FYI. I believe that you should go with bigger just for a more consistent stopping ability especially for home defense. Which is why I agree that a shotgun is a good choice. Or something like a 45 JHP.
Anyway, thanks again for the info
WVMountainBoy
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While a 22LR isn't my "go-to" I wouldn't worry about it being enough. I have the 22LR Glenfield that I was taught to shoot on beside the computer desk, I'm a pretty good shot with it even when I'm a bit amped up (long bad story about a raccoon almost causing me to loose control of my bladder/bowels) While I can't tell you what kind of velocity you give up with a 10 inch barrel over my 18 inch, I'd guess not a horrific amount. If you train with the gun and can put 3 rds dead center with either head or center of mass, I have a feeling the fight is over. Now all that being said, the 22 is beside the computer, the 870 is over the headboard and my .40 is in the nightstand.
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Now think for a bit...
Are there any law enforcement agencies that you are aware of that issue a .22 caliber handgun as their sidearm?
Are there any militaries, anywhere in the world, that arm their troops with either a .22 l.r. sidearm, rifle or carbine?
Why do you suppose this is?
Now, if the poster truly believes that caliber in handguns makes no difference well why not the .22 short or an airgun?
"Most handgun ammo would be the same..."
Nope. When folks argue that, in terms of effect, there may be little difference in handgun calibers they are usually speaking of standard service calibers and leaving the .22 l.r., the .25 acp and the 32 out of the discussion.
.22 rimfire ammo is more likely to misfire than centerfire.
.22 ammo does not penetrate as deeply as defensive calber handgun rounds.
.22 ammo does not strike with as much force as defensive caliber rounds.
.22 ammo is more likely to glance off bone.
.22 ammo is less destructive of tissue and delivers less shock effect than centerfire rounds.
Folks can argue that with it's low recoil the .22 allows for better shot placement. Some truth to that but gunfights are funny things. Remember the last time you were in a fist fight. Each blow you threw you wanted it to be a stunner. You wanted to knock the fella out. Bust his nose! Hit him a solid one to the jaw! But...most blows you threw missed the critical areas sometimes by a little but and sometimes by a bunch. Now that was at arms length away.
So if you miss the critical area by a few inches, which is likely and very common, the "three to the head" becomes one to the collarbone, you want that to be with a pebble or a brick? And when you do land that solid hit you want it to be with a 4" Philips screw driver or a Bowie knife?
tipoc
Home security should be a multi-layered thing ~ locks, lights, cell phone, dog(s), gun(s). Maybe an alarm.
I could see having a .22 near the bed if something goes bump in the night, but it wouldn't be a charger. It would be a handgun, with a 12-gauge also close by.
I could see having a .22 near the bed if something goes bump in the night, but it wouldn't be a charger. It would be a handgun, with a 12-gauge also close by.
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A .22 is fine... if it's on fully automatic.
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CCI Velocitor has no peers
A forty-grain Hollow Point of extreme velocity, dependability, and accuracy is all one can ask for in a .22 Long Rifle load. Although a CCI Stinger at 32 grains is LOUDER, Flamethrowier, and more intimidating, the Velocitor packs more short-range punch. I'd like not to be struck by either! cliffy
A forty-grain Hollow Point of extreme velocity, dependability, and accuracy is all one can ask for in a .22 Long Rifle load. Although a CCI Stinger at 32 grains is LOUDER, Flamethrowier, and more intimidating, the Velocitor packs more short-range punch. I'd like not to be struck by either! cliffy
mljdeckard
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If you have a .22 AND a shotgun, the shotgun should NOT be the backup.
Rather than list yet again why it's a bad idea, I will say if I had to use I .22, I would dump as many Velocitor hollow-points COM as possible.
Rather than list yet again why it's a bad idea, I will say if I had to use I .22, I would dump as many Velocitor hollow-points COM as possible.
I used to keep a .22 semi-auto rifle loaded with Velocitors for home defense. With a red dot scope, I trusted the rounds to expand reliably out of a rifle barrel, and if they did exit BG they were less likely to penetrate my apartment walls.
If I was stuck with a handgun, though, I'd want something else.
jm
If I was stuck with a handgun, though, I'd want something else.
jm
aliasneo07
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I don't mean to be grumpy or rude so i apologize if this comes across that way:
Ive been hearing this a lot. A .22LR is not a defensive round, its a target/small game round. If all you have is a .22LR, yeah, use it. But...come on. Yes, any bullet is lethal. The point is not to kill an intruder, but to STOP him.
.22 bullets do NOT do this reliably. They just don't. Theres a GOOD chance you will not stop a determined attacker with a .22. Use at LEAST a .380 for personal defense.
Me PERSONALLY? My first line of defense is a 12ga with 00BK. Handguns? I would want at least a .40 hollowpoint round...but a .380 will do the trick, or a 9mm.
Using a .22 as a defensive weapon if you have another option is asking for trouble.
Ive been hearing this a lot. A .22LR is not a defensive round, its a target/small game round. If all you have is a .22LR, yeah, use it. But...come on. Yes, any bullet is lethal. The point is not to kill an intruder, but to STOP him.
.22 bullets do NOT do this reliably. They just don't. Theres a GOOD chance you will not stop a determined attacker with a .22. Use at LEAST a .380 for personal defense.
Me PERSONALLY? My first line of defense is a 12ga with 00BK. Handguns? I would want at least a .40 hollowpoint round...but a .380 will do the trick, or a 9mm.
Using a .22 as a defensive weapon if you have another option is asking for trouble.
FoMoGo
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Negative... the shotgun would be primary.
You never want to have to go with your backup... so make sure the primary will do what you need.
We have 4 shotguns in the bedroom in case of trouble. 3 12 gauges and 1 20. 16 rounds of 12 gauge and 5 rounds of 20 without reloading should handle most issues.
The .45s and .44s are backup.
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