i’m curious about the exact 9-shot, 22wmr handgun that o.p.’s friend carries.
The gun is a High Standard MKIV Sentineluniversal ccw rules acording to me:
#1. have a firearm.
#2. practice with it.
#3. have it with you.
#4. know when, where & how to use it.
nothing in my own little rulebook specifies “no rimfire.” obviously if one needs a ccw because one is around apex predators then there are better choices than rimfire. if i were a mugger and my potential victim drew a 22lr/wmr handgun with practiced determination i would back off and move on. isn’t this enough deterrence for most of us in most situations?
i’m curious about the exact 9-shot, 22wmr handgun that o.p.’s friend carries.
Re. the comments that 22 rimfire are not as reliable as centerfire, they seem to be going off of 22LR experience. That is iffy, because there is so much cheap blasting ammo for 22LR.
Many people have noted that 22 WMR seems to be more reliable, probably because there isn't cheap ammo for it.
As for effectiveness, I think it would be pretty good, just like Lucky Gunner does:
Think a 9 shot 4in revolver with Gold Dots in 22 mag would be a good defensive weapon for ccw?
And yea I know there are better calibers for this.
But that's all my friend has, he just got his ccw.
I believe it is enough to stop a threat and survive for another day.
Especially at distances most shootings occur. I believe the 22 WMR is so underrated for a defensive round
The gun is a High Standard MKIV Sentinel
The lower price changes how much CARE goes into manufacturing.It still uses the same ignition system, a jump in casing length with more powder doesn't change the fact that both are still primed the same way.
I can REALLY not imagine appealing to a fallacy argument. It still uses the same rimfire ignition system. Unless you can prove differently, I would certainly be all ears if so..The lower price changes how much CARE goes into manufacturing.
Can you REALLY not imagine that higher cost can mean higher quality?
Something I'm learning with revolvers is not to automatically assume a longer barrel will yield greater velocities because the new norm for current revolvers is large barrel/cylinder gaps. Makes the manufacturing and assembling easier.If he can make accurate hits it should be
Ok. 4 inch barrel should add to effectiveness compared to a snub in rimfire. He's only got this so by definition it's good enough. I would hope that this is meant to cover until he can get a center fire ccw.
Re. the comments that 22 rimfire are not as reliable as centerfire, they seem to be going off of 22LR experience. That is iffy, because there is so much cheap blasting ammo for 22LR.
Many people have noted that 22 WMR seems to be more reliable, probably because there isn't cheap ammo for it.
As for effectiveness, I think it would be pretty good, just like Lucky Gunner does:
The gun is a High Standard MKIV Sentinel
I was only using CCI, Winchester, or Federal when I still liked shooting ..22LR. All three were about equal in misfires.
My buddy had a bunch of CCI .22 Magnum that were also misfires, he sent it back along with the duds, they sent him a brand new brick plus another for his trouble. The first one had the same amount of misfires. So he sold the gun along with the other box.
It's why I am biased.
Had any misfires with non-brick quantity 22 WMR? Boxes of 50 or 100 only?I was only using CCI, Winchester, or Federal when I still liked shooting ..22LR. All three were about equal in misfires.
My buddy had a bunch of CCI .22 Magnum that were also misfires, he sent it back along with the duds, they sent him a brand new brick plus another for his trouble. The first one had the same amount of misfires. So he sold the gun along with the other box.
It's why I am biased.
Re. the comments that 22 rimfire are not as reliable as centerfire, they seem to be going off of 22LR experience. That is iffy, because there is so much cheap blasting ammo for 22LR.
Many people have noted that 22 WMR seems to be more reliable, probably because there isn't cheap ammo for it.
As for effectiveness, I think it would be pretty good, just like Lucky Gunner does:
Unless you work for an ammo company who makes self-defense-marketed 22WMR ammo, I don't think you really know that; you're just guessing.The only major added costs to the .22 Mag over .22 LR is the bullets used are jacketed (biggest cause for cost increase) and the extra brass.
The cost isn't because some guy is looking at them with a magnifying glass or some expensive QC process is used.
This at least is reliable anecdotal evidence.The machines and methods used are no better or different than the .22 LR, thus the resultant misfire potential is equal and I've found with .22 Mag to be more common.
Now they don't specifically say that they use different manufacturing methods or have better QC, but I bet they do. It would be totally irresponsible for them to market the ammo this way otherwise, and Federal has a great reputation overall as a high quality ammo manufacturer.Federal said:Product Overview
Different shooters have different needs, limitations and firearms. Yet for all of those variables, rimfire has never been a practical option for self-defense—until now. Introducing Punch™ Personal Defense® rimfire from Federal Premium®. The loads' nickel-plated lead-core bullet is propelled at extreme velocities and engineered to minimize expansion to hit critical penetration depths through short-barrel handguns. Stringent function testing also ensures the most reliable ignition, cycling and overall performance. So, whether you want to carry a backup gun, don't feel comfortable with centerfires, or simply want to get more versatility from your rimfire pistol, Punch makes these cartridges viable choices for the first time ever.
- Nickel-plated lead-core bullet
- Projectile profile and composition optimized for the deepest penetration through short-barrel handguns
- Rigorous function testing ensures reliability
- Nickel-plated case for ease of extraction and corrosion resistance
- 50-count boxes
- Maximum velocity for energy and penetration: 22 WMR offers 1,000 fps muzzle velocity through 2-inch barrel, 1,800 fps through rifle barrels
Don't shoot 22 Mag, for the last several years the number of misfires I have had with 22RF has gone up steadily, IMHO QC has slipped.
“22RF” as in Long Rifle or Magnum. Big difference in reliability.
Bricks.Had any misfires with non-brick quantity 22 WMR? Boxes of 50 or 100 only?
Reason I ask is because I recently bought a couple 300 ct. bricks of CCI 22LR and it is not accurate in my new gun. It had several misfires, too. It used to be that CCI only made good ammo, but now they're into the bulk pack game, seemingly with lower QC, too.
Many gun testers are finding that good quality 22WMR shot from a good gun doesn't misfire. I certainly hope so, as folks are increasingly relying on 22WMR for defense, and there is even defense-marketed ammo for it now. (ex. Federal Punch, which tests well out of short barrels)