9mm vs. .45 sidearms

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I just like to unload the magazines every few weeks and give it a break

Actually, loading and unloading the magazines is much harder on the springs than leaving them compressed.
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Perhaps, don't know, but I unload the gun, strip it, clean it, lube it and put a bit of lube on the mags, then let it sit a day or two. I figure it's a good thing to clean an auto that's been in a sweaty pocket constantly. At least I get any dust bunnies out of it that might collect. Never THAT dirty, but I prefer to clean it before it really needs it. Besides, I like to carry the revolver now and then.
 
The .357 is Weak?

Did someone on the first page of this thread say that the .357 is for the weak and inaccurate :confused: ??? Whether they meant .357 Magnum or .357 sig, I think they need to go back to Kindergarten, pull out a sleeping mat, and wake back up with some sense ;) .


P.S - Hmmmm 9mm or .45,... let's see,...... Well, anyway you slice it, it's still cake.
 
Perhaps the original (and secret) question was how many serious answers would actually be given in such a thread? :D

here's my serious answer: get a good platform in both, practice like your life depends on it (it does) and carry each as you find comfortable and appropriate, based on a number of factors. That way no matter what, you are never wrong! :D :D . No really, I thing it's plain smart to have both.
 
using a Glock 19. He hit him eleven times, by actual count, with 9mm. +P hollowpoints (Speer Gold Dot) without dropping him. The BG eventually went down on the 12th shot, which took him on the bridge of the nose and shut down his CNS right there. The other two, with shotgun and handgun, were engaged by the driver, using a .357 Magnum revolver (a S&W K-frame of unknown model). He double-tapped each one to COM with his carry load, the 145gr. Winchester Silvertip JHP. One was using a CZ-75 with Winchester Silvertip JHP's. He put half-a-dozen rounds COM into his target, without visible results - the BG returned fire with his Uzi, tagging my friend in the left arm with the first burst. While this was going on, the other rear-seat passenger engaged the handgun-wielding BG with his SIG P220, using 185gr. Remington Golden Saber Bonded JHP's. Two rounds of this COM dropped that BG immediately. He then switched his target to the Uzi-wielding BG, putting two rounds into his chest from the left side, and dropping him as he tried to get off another burst at the other passenger. The final round actually went into his lower neck area, as he was already dropping from the first round to the chest.

The end result was four BG's DRT, and one dying (the guy who took two .357's to the chest - he was obviously in the last extremity), with one GG wounded in the left arm by a burst of 9mm. FMJ from the Uzi.
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YEAH whatever. Badguys spit out those .355 124 grain bullets travelling at 1250 fps but shreek and die immediately from .356 125 grain bullets travelling at 1400 fps. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: The ignorance never ceases.

Well, I know some Mexican drug dealers that got shot up by a G3, each hit 8-15 times and they all lived to tell about it so .308 sucks.

And I know a guy who took 8 hits in the chest and abdomen from .45 ACP 185 HP and didn't even stop driving so .45 ACP sucks.

And I know an agent who took 3 hits in the leg from an AK and two hits to the chest and he's still working so 7.62x39 sucks.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: All true by the way, except that those rounds don't suck either.
 
Like I said in my original post....it's all about shot placement.
Have any of you tried bowling pin shooting? It's a lot easier to knock a pin down with a 45 than a 9mm. That's what a 45 was meant to do - knock people down.
 
knock people down.
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Knock'em down huh? The .45 would do that pretty well, if it was travelling at 15,000 fps. Of course, it would knock you down too when you fired it. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. For some reason, the rules of physics don't apply to .45 freaks.

The .45 ACP was designed to be better than .38 S&W --a caliber weaker than a standard pressure .38 Special. And that it does. However, many .355 magnum (9mm parabellum) rounds are just as powerful and every .357 magnum is superior. 45 ACP was really the hottest thing on the market... in 1899 or so. Even John Browning called the Browning HP in .355 magnum his best work.

45 ACP still works for sure but these .45philes and their inane comments get old. The bottom line is that many gun owners are pretty ignorant. They see a big case and they think bigger must be better. (It's not. Standard pressure .44 special is a rather pedestrian round roughly equivalent to .38 Special.) .45 ACP must be better than 9mm because it's bigger. (It's not, they are roughly comparable so long as you use high velocity ammo that we seem to call +P in the states-- whatever you do don't use that subsonic trash that was intended for SEALS and their silenced MP5s) And .38 special is better than 9mm because it's bigger. (It's not, .38 is more comparable to .380). Although they are quick to point out that .40 recoils more than .45, they don't realize it is because the .40 being more powerful. The believe it has to do with Saint Cooper, now that he's in heaven, bending the rules of physics in favor of the .45ACP.

I've seen many many gunshot victims, most still wriggling. You can generally tell the difference between a small caliber and a medium caliber (.380/.38 Special and above), but you've been snorting blackpowder if you think there are big differences between 9mm parabellum, .45 ACP, or .357 magnum.
 
There is only way to resolve this important issue. Pistols at 50 paces.
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Dam you. I spit my wine out on that one.


I've seen many many gunshot victims, most still wriggling. You can generally tell the difference between a small caliber and a medium caliber (.380/.38 Special and above), but you've been snorting blackpowder if you think there are big differences between 9mm parabellum, .45 ACP, or .357 magnum.
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Actually I can tell the difference; and no, I dont snort gunpowder.
 
This thread is STILL going? 25,629 hits... someone must care. :rolleyes:
longeyes... that was just something I found online, 'tweren't no friends of mine.

Would ya rather have a short barrel .45, say 3" - 3.5" using 230 gr ball going a whopping 780 fps or something from CorBon in .355 JHP popping along (same barrel length) at about 1000 fps? Assuming proper placement of course. Or are ya talking about something from a 5", .45 acp using Cor-Bon's 185 gr JHP +P (1075fps/475ft-lbs) compared to Cor-Bon's 9mm 115 gr JHP +P (1350/466)?

Back when I was a kid in the 60's, 9mm v. .45acp with milsurp ball ammo was one thing... maybe even something worth arguin' about (well, not really... if you were an American shooter you KNEW which of those two was the best... and that was a .357 magnum in a Colt/S&W revolver) but that was...(gulp) a long long time ago in terms of ammunition (and handgun) design and performance.

Is this a great country or what? If it wasn't for American shooters wanting more, bigger, faster, harder hitting ammo, I'd bet that EU Cops would still be using 7.65 Browning and 9mmK's...
 
After all of the case reports I read when I thought caliber was important, I think it's pretty crucial to understand that muzzle speed, bullet diameter, and all that nonsense mean nothing.

The most important things when it comes to stopping an aggressor are shot placement, penetration, and expansion, in no particular order.

If you shot me with a bullet, it doesn't matter how big it is. It doesn't matter how fast it moves. It doesn't matter how heavy the bullet is. What matters is that you hit me in a crucial area, that the bullet stops inside my body, and that it expands its maximum amount.

Why? If you shoot me, and the bullet passes right through me, not only do I not absorb the impact, but the bullet obviously doesn't expand much, so unless you hit an artery or an organ, I'll put my finger in the hole, laugh at you, and then continue the assault.

So what is better then, oh wise Rob87? Whatever the hell you can carry and use effectively without screwing it up. A 9mm that hits is better than a .45 that misses.
 
Another 9mm vs. .45 gun thread brought back from the dead... Bub approves!
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9 mm is for police so they reasonable stopping power while inflicting minimal bodily damage.45 ACP is for STOPPING someone,Whether they're a burly thug picking a fight or an enemy soldier trying to kill you.At least thats what I think.
 
The most important things when it comes to stopping an aggressor are shot placement, penetration, and expansion, in no particular order.

If you shot me with a bullet, it doesn't matter how big it is. It doesn't matter how fast it moves. It doesn't matter how heavy the bullet is. What matters is that you hit me in a crucial area, that the bullet stops inside my body, and that it expands its maximum amount.

Why? If you shoot me, and the bullet passes right through me, not only do I not absorb the impact, but the bullet obviously doesn't expand much, so unless you hit an artery or an organ, I'll put my finger in the hole, laugh at you, and then continue the assault.
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:banghead:

Now that's funny! I bet if you repeat it enough you just might start to believe it to! (Did you ever stop to think that velocity has a lot to do with expansion and weight has a lot to do with velocity?)
 
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OK, time for the puppet show ~

Puppet takes (for purpose of demonstration) 1/4 " 9mm screwdriver and stabs other puppet, but not going all the way through, that puppet looks down in shock at the impaled screwdriver in him.

Then Puppet takes 1/2" 45cal, takes frying pain and hits puppet in the chest, and looks down at shocked puppet flat on his back, out of breath.

End of the puppet show ~


LS :neener:
 
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