I asked artificial intelligence to settle the 9mm vs 45acp debate.

[fastbolt]

There were some times, back when I was working as an instructor with folks who carried both issued and optional approved weapons and calibers, and they asked me such a question ...

... and I said the best was probably the bullet which most quickly hit an anatomical location likely to more quickly result in incapacitation, the quickest and most accurately in the circumstances involved. Now, let's get back to practice, training, quals, etc ...

 

[wayneinFL]

I'm surprised it answered the question at all. I would have expected "Guns are violent tools of white supremacy and I won't discuss them. Also, you have been reported to the relevant agencies."

Microsoft's Tay proved otherwise and had to be taken offline in less than 16 hours.

The AI programs are mostly just picking up what they can off the internet and repeating it. Like many humans, they don't have critical thinking skills.

 

[Outlaw75]

No! Please, just no! (okay, Chief, we did catch the sarcastic humor)

I don't know. Large Language Model AI's have a real problem telling reality from fantasy, that's why they tend to give crazy answers about some stuff; they've been fed a diet of both text books and novels. If AI's discover Gun Forums they'd be so screwed up they might cease to be a threat to humanity. I mean, it might do some good to have ChatGPT telling terrorists to lube their guns with anti-seize or that the most effective combat rig is a .22 and tactical wheelbarrow.

 

[Zendude]

I thought the correct answer is supposed to be that they are all obsolete except 30 Super Carry. I guess Chat GPT doesn’t have enough internet knowledge about 30 SC yet.

 

[481]

This morning I asked ChatGPT to settle the 9mm vs 45acp debate. For those of you who don't know ChatGPT utilizes artificial intelligence to process data almost instantly and provide immediate results in easy to read formats. You can ask it anything so I decided to ask "Which is superior, 9mm or 45acp?" The following is what I got for results.


The superiority of the 9mm vs. .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) is a subject of debate and largely depends on the context and personal preferences. Both cartridges have their own advantages and disadvantages. Here are some factors to consider:

**9mm:**
1. **Capacity:** 9mm handguns typically have larger magazine capacities, which means you can carry more rounds before needing to reload.
2. **Recoil:** 9mm generally has less recoil than .45 ACP, making it easier for shooters to control and stay on target for follow-up shots.
3. **Ammunition Cost:** 9mm ammunition is often more affordable, allowing you to practice more for less money.
4. **Velocity:** 9mm generally has a higher muzzle velocity, which can lead to flatter trajectories and better performance against some types of body armor.
5. **Availability:** 9mm ammunition is widely available and is a standard for military and law enforcement, making it easier to find in a variety of loads.

**.45 ACP:**
1. **Stopping Power:** Many proponents of the .45 ACP argue that it has superior "stopping power" due to its larger, heavier bullets. It can create larger wound channels, which some believe can be more effective in stopping an attacker.
2. **Ballistic Performance:** .45 ACP bullets are generally slower but larger in diameter, which can lead to better penetration and expansion, depending on the ammunition used.
3. **Recoil:** The .45 ACP has more recoil compared to 9mm, which some people find manageable, while others may prefer the softer recoil of the 9mm.
4. **Historical Significance:** The .45 ACP has a long history and has been used in various military and law enforcement applications.

Ultimately, the choice between 9mm and .45 ACP should depend on your specific needs and personal preferences. It's important to consider factors like capacity, recoil tolerance, ammunition cost, and your ability to shoot accurately with either caliber. Both cartridges are effective for self-defense, but the key is to train regularly and become proficient with your chosen firearm.

It's too bad that you wasted your one "free" question for AI on the 9mm vs. .45ACP debate. I'm gonna use mine to ask AI for the next set of PowerBall numbers.

 

[shafter]

It's too bad that you wasted your one "free" question for AI on the 9mm vs. .45ACP debate. I'm gonna use mine to ask AI for the next set of PowerBall numbers.

It's free. I've been playing around with it asking all different questions and to write reports on various topics to test it out. It's absolutely insane how good this stuff is and it's only going to get better from here.

I was interested to see what it would come up with for 9mm vs 45acp after combing through the gargantuan among of data it has its fingertips. Seems like it gave a reasonable reply.

 

[hoardingthemanual]

Sounds like something you’d read on our or any forum. It would pass the Turing test here.

 

[crstrode]

It's absolutely insane how good this stuff is and it's only going to get better from here.

I rest my case . . .

 

[toivo]

All that AI really does at this point is regurgitate an amalgamation of everything that has ever been written online about a particular topic. You're not going to find any definitive answers there.

 

[PWC]

"Ultimately, the choice between 9mm and .45 ACP should depend on your specific needs and personal preferences. It's important to consider factors like capacity, recoil tolerance, ammunition cost, and your ability to shoot accurately with either caliber. Both cartridges are effective for self-defense, but the key is to train regularly and become proficient with your chosen firearm."

The above is the TRUE answer to which is better. The answer will always begin with "It depends...." followed by the above.

 

[md7]

Looks like a response I’ve seen plenty of times in forums. Wonder what AI’s user name is on this one……

 

[481]

It's free. I've been playing around with it asking all different questions and to write reports on various topics to test it out. It's absolutely insane how good this stuff is and it's only going to get better from here.

I was interested to see what it would come up with for 9mm vs 45acp after combing through the gargantuan among of data it has its fingertips. Seems like it gave a reasonable reply.

Yes, aware that it was free. I was joking.

 

[StrykerByte.45]

Penetration is good only if you hit a vital that ends the fight, otherwise, it's passing through with hardly any damage to the target. Without a viral hit, it's better to put larger holes for faster bleeding and cause more pain and disruption of the nervous system by causing shock(or a shockwave). That "shock" is higher when there is more energy delivered per inch of penetration.
2 rounds, both 450fpe, one penetrates 10", one 5", the one that penetrates 10" delivers 45fpe per inch on average, the other delivers double that, 90fpe per inch which will cause more disruption of nearby organs and/or nerves and possible temporary paralysis, not to mention it can potentially cause more pain.

 

[N555]

Assuming shooting the 45 isn't s problem for you 45 wins if you live in some backwards high capacity magazine capacity ban laws and are limited to 10 or less. If you live in some regressive state where you can only carry ball ammo, 45 wins.

 

[GEM]

Ask it why folks say they can't shoot a Glock because of the grip angle! Haha.
Ask it why 5 is enough!

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

I asked bings AI. I got this.
The debate between 9mm and .45 ACP has been ongoing for more than a century. There’s no definitive way to prove which cartridge is better, as shot placement and bullet performance will matter more 1. However, here are some facts that might help you make an informed decision:

• The .45 ACP cartridge holds bullets that have a diameter of .452 inches (11.5mm), so it is slightly larger than the 9mm (.355 inch bullets) 2.
• The 9mm Luger operates at a higher pressure (35,000 psi) as opposed to 21,000 psi for the .45 ACP, which launches its bullets much faster. This, in conjunction with the faster twist rate of 9mm barrels, makes it easier to design bullets for the 9mm that will reliably expand over a broader velocity spectrum. A bullet fired from a 9mm Luger has twice the rotational velocity of one fired from a .45 ACP 1.
• Ammunition for both cartridges can be designed to deliver more than a foot of penetration in a human body. The FBI says that’s about all you need. Since both end up at about the same diameter and both penetrate about the same distance, what else really matters? 1.
• The .45 ACP shoots a larger-diameter and heavier bullet than the 9mm Luger. However, it shoots it much slower with much more recoil, and .45 handguns have lower capacity than 9mm handguns 1.

In conclusion, both cartridges have their pros and cons. It’s up to you to decide which one suits your needs better.

 

[LiveLife]

Assuming shooting the 45 isn't s problem for you 45 wins if you live in some backwards high capacity magazine capacity ban laws and are limited to 10 or less.

Even for CA that pioneered 10 round magazine capacity, judge Benitez ruled for second time that CA magazine capacity restriction unconstitutional - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-aw-magazine-ban.905531/page-14#post-12721871

And in accordance to Bruen mandate, CA attorneys COULD NOT come up with historical analogue of ammunition ban as Bruen ruling now shifts the burden to the government. And believe me, I am sure CA attorneys tried but they failed as clearly documented in the spreadsheet they presented - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-aw-magazine-ban.905531/page-11#post-12528071

And since the previous judge Benitez "unconstitutional" ruling in 2019, CA has not enforced possession of larger than 10 round capacity magazines.

While Duncan case has appealed to 9th Circuit, it's only matter of time before Supreme Court rules magazine capacity ban unconstitutional in line with Heller, Caetano and Bruen.

So in time, higher 9mm capacity will have advantage over 45ACP (With 40S&W having advantage over both).

 

[2zulu1]

It's free. I've been playing around with it asking all different questions and to write reports on various topics to test it out. It's absolutely insane how good this stuff is and it's only going to get better from here.

I was interested to see what it would come up with for 9mm vs 45acp after combing through the gargantuan among of data it has its fingertips. Seems like it gave a reasonable reply.

The same AI that stated my occupation was a pole dancer, as an out of shape senior citizen, I took it as a compliment.

Where's the mention of one shot stops?

 

[kje54]

The number of people who responded to this seriously is hysterically funny!!!

 

[Leon tP]

This morning I asked ChatGPT to settle the 9mm vs 45acp debate. For those of you who don't know ChatGPT utilizes artificial intelligence to process data almost instantly and provide immediate results in easy to read formats. You can ask it anything so I decided to ask "Which is superior, 9mm or 45acp?" The following is what I got for results.


The superiority of the 9mm vs. .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) is a subject of debate and largely depends on the context and personal preferences. Both cartridges have their own advantages and disadvantages. Here are some factors to consider:

**9mm:**
1. **Capacity:** 9mm handguns typically have larger magazine capacities, which means you can carry more rounds before needing to reload.
2. **Recoil:** 9mm generally has less recoil than .45 ACP, making it easier for shooters to control and stay on target for follow-up shots.
3. **Ammunition Cost:** 9mm ammunition is often more affordable, allowing you to practice more for less money.
4. **Velocity:** 9mm generally has a higher muzzle velocity, which can lead to flatter trajectories and better performance against some types of body armor.
5. **Availability:** 9mm ammunition is widely available and is a standard for military and law enforcement, making it easier to find in a variety of loads.

**.45 ACP:**
1. **Stopping Power:** Many proponents of the .45 ACP argue that it has superior "stopping power" due to its larger, heavier bullets. It can create larger wound channels, which some believe can be more effective in stopping an attacker.
2. **Ballistic Performance:** .45 ACP bullets are generally slower but larger in diameter, which can lead to better penetration and expansion, depending on the ammunition used.
3. **Recoil:** The .45 ACP has more recoil compared to 9mm, which some people find manageable, while others may prefer the softer recoil of the 9mm.
4. **Historical Significance:** The .45 ACP has a long history and has been used in various military and law enforcement applications.

Ultimately, the choice between 9mm and .45 ACP should depend on your specific needs and personal preferences. It's important to consider factors like capacity, recoil tolerance, ammunition cost, and your ability to shoot accurately with either caliber. Both cartridges are effective for self-defense, but the key is to train regularly and become proficient with your chosen firearm.

In my opinion, a better AI answer would have been,

"I don't know, Dave. But here's what the Fudds -- I mean experts are saying online."

At least with this response, I might have more respect for AI.

Interesting post.

It’s kind of funny that AI can’t even give a definitive answer.

GIGO

Like an eavesdropper, it only "knows" what it hears.

When it comes to AI, I'd rather ask Dr. Know, "there's nothing he don't."

 

[SterlingBullet]

Plenty of college students have been accused of copying AI.
Now, a “this or that, which one is better” question, well known to all of us, shows AI’s true capabilities.
The AI response is simply a copy of the text of every magazine and blog article and thousands of pages of forum arguments aggregated into one list of pros and cons.
As predicted, AI is not capable of making an intuitive leap from facts and logic to give an opinion answer.
AI is still a fraud.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

Just remember that the intelligence you asked was "artificial".

Yes, but 'natural' intelligence, like common sense, seems to be waning in the organic fluid sacs we call people...who have not managed to find an answer for this query for decades. So when thinking inside the box didn't work, shafter took the query outside the box to AI.

 

[Propforce]

Personally I think you ALL got it wrong.

Look at your better half, is she slim & fast, or "wider but slower"?

You got your preference there. Say no more.

 

[PWC]

There is no answer.

The question is overly broad. People will not accept an answer that does not meet their pre arrived at ego/emotionaly controlled conclusion.

To get a true answer the question must be narrowed; which has better penetration on gel, which allows faster target reacquisition, which carries more rounds, which is easier to shoot, etc., all answers that are purpose driven. Neither meets all, each meets some.

These have been factually discussed ad nausem in this and other forums. The only part that seems to not to be ablely discussed factually is people's preconceived preferences coloring their position.

When you lay down money for my pistol, then and only then, are you entitled to criticize my choice.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Reads like ChatGPT did a good job summarizing the 9x19mm v .45 ACP question without answering the question.

Volokh Conspiracy (a website for lawyers) has posted examples of ChatGPT generating legal papers with authentic looking case citations, accurate in form but citing non extant or irrelevant cases.