A compeling reason to carry lots of ammo.

[Tuxedo.Bond]

Tuxedo, that definition must have been written a while ago. Just try to get into a major university like FSU now without impressive credentials. It won't happen. I know, I've got one there now that's a senior and another one going in the fall. Budget cuts have really changed things. And you better have some spare cash if you are going there.

I've never been to FSU so I'll have to take your word on that. The rest of it basically sums up Florida though.

 

[packnrat]

better to have to much ammo......

than to have a very pricy rock to through at the atacker(s)





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[TRN]

I can't believe one of them even gave out a golden shower to the victim.

 

[QUICK_DRAW_McGRAW]

S&W Sigma, 14+1 in the gun of ranger, 1 spare 14round mag in pocket, kel-tec pf9 in ankle with 7+1 and a spare mag.

i only carry the BUG when im in areas im not acustomed to. rest of the time is one gun on me, maybe another in the car.

 

[jungleroy]

I carry 2 spare mags usually, and if for no other reason so that my belt is more evenly weighted.

 

[1/7GRUNT]

pass the ammo

This is the way I look at this issue. I usually don't go down dark alleys and can normally avoid the worst parts of my fair city(and there are alot of the worst parts). So I dont worry usually about meeting a thug here or there. What I do worry about is when the wife and I are with jr. at the mall and a psycho strolls in with a room broom. THe food court just would not be the same. These are the situations I believe more capacity would be better. If only to return a high volume of fire and hope one sneaks in before you are gunned down.

 

[Tuxedo.Bond]

What if a bad guy knows people will be less cautious when in a "good" neighborhood, and therefore target those therein?

Like reverse psychology.

 

[Defensory]

Thank God for high capacity semi-autos. This 70-year old veteran needed 11 rounds from his to stop just two assailants:

http://www.wlky.com/video/16509601/index.html

 

[elChupacabra!]

That's pretty insane... of course, maybe not punching a gang member to defend your honor could have prevented this. My honor is important to me, but I think I'm more important to my wife than my honor is to me... you've gotta pick your battles I guess is what I'm saying (and if I was planning on punching a gang member, you can BET I'd be armed when I did it!!!).

Anyways, I agree about appropriate / large ammunition capacities, and keeping that in mind, I've set up my defensive weaponry accordingly:

- Carry gun - HKP2000 in .40S&W with 1 extra mag - 24 rds of .40S&W is, to me, a good balance between capacity and power for a carry gun. Plus, LEM trigger makes it as simple to operate as a revolver (but with a better trigger, in my opinion) until reloading time for quick reaction times.

- Car gun - SigPro SP2022 in 9mm with 1 extra mag in glove box - 30 rounds of 9mm provides a little extra capacity, with a nice SA/DA trigger that could provide a little more precision per shot over extended fights. Still, that first shot is right there with just the pull of a trigger if I need it IMMEDIATELY, though it would be DA.

- Home gun - custom 1911 in .45ACP with weapons light in the nightstand drawer - may be only 8 rounds, but those are 8 STRONG handgun rounds, and the Benelli Nova in 12GA, #4 Buck is just in the closet safe next to the AR stoked with 77gr OTM .223 Rem, so if I need more than 8 rounds, I've got a pistol to "fight my way to my rifle (or shotgun)" with. Plus, stored in condition 3, when I hear "bump" in the night and wake up, I've gotta make the positive action of opening the drawer, acquiring the weapon and cycling the slide before I get to that light, crisp trigger, which will hopefully help keep me from shooting something in my sleep with a gun that's right within reach (we all wake up kinda foggy sometimes).

Anyway, I know this goes beyond the original post but I think a good point to make is to layer defensive weaponry and make appropriate choices of action / caliber depending on probable use in the situation where it would be available.

Of course, pick what you feel good about for yourself.

 

[ZombiesAhead]

If I felt that I needed more than 15 rounds of 9mm to defend myself (every day), then I would move somewhere else. If I have to carry multiple magazines as well as an already rather-bulky carry gun (Glock 19), then I am in the wrong place.

More power to those who choose to carry more - I'm all about exercising my 2A rights. However, I don't particularly WANT to carry 10 lbs of self-defense stuff on my belt any more than I WANT to wear a helmet (just in case I fall down the stairs).

We all take calculated risks every time we walk out the door. I calculate that my chances of needing more than 15 rounds of 9mm are low enough that I am willing to sacrifice this extremely unlikely personal defense necessity for less bulk.

EDIT: By the way, I live in Cleveland, and I'll bet if you shot a couple of those 15 assailants, the rest would disperse. If they were willing enough to sacrifice each and every one of their lives (which I doubt), I'm not sure if you could get off shots and reload fast enough to deter the entire hoard of people - no matter how much ammunition is on your belt.

 

[poet]

Enough to get you and your loved ones out of harms way. More than that gives you false courage and you may try to engage instead of break contact and get safely away.

 

[Autolycus]

When I move out of Illinois I will be carrying 50 rounds. 15+1 in the Sig P228 and 2 17-round magazines as spare mags. One is enough for me but the 2 mags will better balance the belt. I don't plan on carrying a spare gun or anything else other than my pocket knife, a surefire light, and a multi-tool.

 

[Autolycus]

On the flipside I have to ask, how many are in good physical shape? I understand some of us are elderly or suffer disabilities due to injuries or illness but how in shape are you? Do you have a spare tire wrapped around you? If so why? You are more likely to die of a heart attack or cancer than at the hands of a gang attack.

I did see a quote mentioning the boy scout motto, "Be Prepared", but are you prepared for heart attack, stroke, cancer, diabetes, emphysema (if a smoker), heart disease, or a multitude of other health problems?

 

[MICHAEL T]

If Iam being chased by 15 people where I live That about 1/2 half the town. Rest would think its a parade .
I carry my 1911 unless I go to the city then 1 spare mag

 

[slzy]

don't know if it coincidence,but the three guys i know who carry multiple mags are a lawyer,union president,and a psychologist.

oldskool,i have often chuckled,at myself too,about people way too heavy discussing the merits of magnesium ovr scandium,etc.

 

[TimboKhan]

oldskool,i have often chuckled,at myself too,about people way too heavy discussing the merits of magnesium ovr scandium,etc

Well, who else should discuss those merits? Trust me, I am a big guy, and I have enough of a problem hauling me around, let alone adding more weight to my already considerable bulk. It's fine and great to tell us we need to be healthier, but in the interim, we large people need to find ways to work around our issues. Weight doesn't just come off overnight, you know.

 

[Autolycus]

Ahh but it starts to sound rediculous when you hear fat guys talking about how they need to prepare for gang bangers, serial killers, armed insurrection, the UN, illegal aliens, terrorists, and other crazies who might attack them. Yet in all reality it is the 50 plus pounds that will more than likely be the death of them or a contributing factor.

 

[TimboKhan]

Ahh but it starts to sound rediculous when you hear fat guys talking about how they need to prepare for gang bangers, serial killers, armed insurrection, the UN, illegal aliens, terrorists, and other crazies who might attack them. Yet in all reality it is the 50 plus pounds that will more than likely be the death of them or a contributing factor.

So, what your saying is that only thin or in-shape people really have to worry about protecting themselves? It doesn't sound ridiculous at all to hear fat guys, of whom I am one, discuss how they plan on defending themselves if need be.

Your point that the extra weight will kill us is well taken, but couched inside of your argument it makes no sense. What about a guy that has dropped 50 pounds but still has 50 to go? Is he ridiculous because he is making an informed decision about self-defense, or does he have to wait another year or so to drop those 50 pounds before he is not ridiculous enough to do so? What about a guy that has an actual medical problem? What about someone who can't excercise due to other issues? If I go by your logic, it is therefore ridiculous for someone with MS to talk about defending themselves because the MS will probably kill them before gang-bangers, serial killers, armed insurrectionists, the UN, illegal aliens and other crazies will get to them. While we are at it, we better exclude people with cancer, people who smoke, people who drink to much, people who fish for crabs in Alaska, people who talk on cell-phones while driving, and skateboarders from talking about how to prepare themselves for defense. I mean, after all, those are all risky behaviors that have a higher likelihood of killing or injuring someone than does getting attacked, right?

If your point is simply that I and other "fat guys" should try and be healthier, you're right, we should. If your point is that sometimes people go overboard on the contingencies that they plan for, you're right, sometimes they do. If your point is that fat people sound dumb because they want to defend themselves and enjoy talking about what they might use to do so, like any number of non-fat people on this board, you need to rethink who sounds ridiculous and who doesn't.

 

[Autolycus]

That is not my logic at all. I have lost 60 lbs as of recently and have some to go. However I find it ludicrous when I read posts about people who make it seem as if not carrying will be the cause of their death and that a gun is the solution to all problems.

Your extending my logic a little to far. It seems that many people here are not planning on anything other than fighting off gangbangers at the mall. I am just saying that I find it funny that so many here claim to be overweight but can shoot the wings off of a fly.

If they can invest that much training at the range, then surely they could invest some of that time at the gym. As for those with injuries, I addressed that earlier. I understand not everyone is capable but surely they can try to keep their physical health. I understand someone may not be able to run a seven minute mile but they could surely try to do their best.

 

[TimboKhan]

I am going to respond to your points, and then say if you want to continue this, we can move it to PM's.

However I find it ludicrous when I read posts about people who make it seem as if not carrying will be the cause of their death and that a gun is the solution to all problems.

In some particular situations, not carrying could very well be a reason for getting killed, and while a gun isn't a solution to all problems, it is a possible solution for some very serious problems. Having a gun certainly isn't like toting around a magic wand, but I would much rather have one than not.

I am just saying that I find it funny that so many here claim to be overweight but can shoot the wings off of a fly.

What does one have to do with the other? Outside of the actual shooting sports, I wasn't aware that physical condition had a whole lot of bearing on marksmanship.

If they can invest that much training at the range, then surely they could invest some of that time at the gym.

If you had enough time to go to the gym, you surely have enough time to go to church, build a house on your own or whatever else you can think of. I can think of many hundreds of things I could do that would be beneficial with time spent at the range, but shooting makes me happy and so I go.

I understand not everyone is capable but surely they can try to keep their physical health. I understand someone may not be able to run a seven minute mile but they could surely try to do their best.

True enough, but the day I left the Marine Corps was the day I stopped running. I would also add that just because you happen to see a fat person doesn't mean they aren't losing weight. You yourself said you lost 60 pounds, and I am certain that while you were working to lose that weight you would have preferred people not give you crap about the weight you still had. In other words, if I lose 30 pounds but still weigh 400 pounds (which I do weigh, by the way. Mostly from eating whey.), it's not helping me or anyone else by pointing out that I need to lose weight.

 

[Okiecruffler]

I weigh in at over 300, I had to gain weight. Everyone else was bragging about being able to bench press their body weight, I didn't want to be left out.

But back to the original thread. I hope everyone here can agree in the difference between carrying a couple of extra mags vs carrying 3 pistols, 9 mags and a semi-auto rifle in the car with a case worth of loaded mags. If that's your bag, you have the perfect right to carry all that stuff, just like I have the right to call you "Bruce Willis". Just don't do it and talk about how you'd stare down a mob of gangbangers and walk away from a pile of steaming bodies. Trust me, I don't know you, but I know you ain't that good.

 

[ilsrwy27]

That someone got beaten to death by a mob over some minor dispute on the street of a major US city is a pretty sad state of affairs

This being said a few well placed shots taking out 1 to 3 assaillants would most likely have been enough to end the assault and scatter the mob.
I am all for carrying extra clips, but if the mob is composed of 15 armed/motivated assaillants, all the ammo in the world won't make up for having a handgun instead of a rifle.... and some distance to take advantage of the rifle's capabilities.

Just my 02 cents.

 

[TimboKhan]

I hope everyone here can agree in the difference between carrying a couple of extra mags vs carrying 3 pistols, 9 mags and a semi-auto rifle in the car with a case worth of loaded mags

I can. I may disagree with Oldskool on one issue, but we apparently agree completely on other things. Carrying a gun and being prepared to defend yourself is one thing. Basing your defensive firearm plan on the apocalypse is quite another. It's kind of fun to talk about here and there, but thats about it.

 

[Defensory]

Posted by Okiecruffler:
I hope everyone here can agree in the difference between carrying a couple of extra mags vs carrying 3 pistols, 9 mags and a semi-auto rifle in the car with a case worth of loaded mags. If that's your bag, you have the perfect right to carry all that stuff, just like I have the right to call you "Bruce Willis". Just don't do it and talk about how you'd stare down a mob of gangbangers and walk away from a pile of steaming bodies. Trust me, I don't know you, but I know you ain't that good.

There's a happy in-between, which is where I'm at.

I've been referred to as "paranoid" right here on THR, simply for advocating carrying a high capacity semi-auto with two spare mags, for a total of 40 rounds.

Which makes a lot more sense than carrying a snubbie with only five rounds in it, and no additional ammo. In the event of a home invasion or parking lot ambush involving multiple armed perpetrators, I'm not betting my life on only five rounds.

 

[Okiecruffler]

In the event of a home invasion or parking lot ambush involving multiple armed perpetrators, I'm not betting my life on only five rounds.

Neither am I, I'm betting mine on training, practice and attitude.