Update on situation in Baltimore Jewish community

[K-Romulus]

Chaim: don't give up yet

A lot of departments hire "laterals" from out of state. There may be reciprocity among them regarding their states' basic police training credentials (like how PA will "honor" VA law licenses of lawyers with 5+ years of practice by letting them join the PA bar by simply paying the PA bar dues). MD may have something similar with NY state police training. Don't LEO academies have an accreditation process by a national training standards agency? That may be the key.

Maybe this could work . . .

 

[Mannlicher]

and your point is?

 

[Byron Quick]

i) is no problem, 5 years experience? My friend is a retired NYC cop. But part (ii) is a problem...
and completed a police training course approved by the Maryland Police Training Commission, he was a NYC cop not a MD cop. Oh well, back to square one

Chaim, definitely check on reciprocity. There's a very good chance that the Maryland Police Training Commission recognizes New York training. Otherwise, you'd have the situation of a Maryland Department not being able to hire a NY officer with ten years experience without sending him back to the academy. It's worth checking into.

Look into the privated detective thing for plainclothes security. If you could get your rabbi involved with negotiations with Baltimore officials , it might grease the wheels with the bureaucracy.

 

[wingnutx]

two words: Krav Maga

 

[Jmurman]

Chaim,

Have you actually tried to get a CCW permit? Maybe things have lightened up some?

 

[Art Eatman]

If my group were subject to all this maltreatment, I'd be putting dossiers together, complete with victims' photos as well as police incident reports.

And send them out: Radio talk-show people. TV news people. Editors.

And the community as a whole should be writing letters and making irate phone calls to each and every elected official, from city councilmen to the legislators and the governor.

"They're killing us! What are YOU going to DO to stop it?"

In a friendly manner, threaten recall elections. Same manner, threaten lawsuits for misfeasance/malfeasance over the lack of community protection. At the state level, call on the legislators for EQUALITY with the Bad Buys; the state does not prevent the BGs from having guns, so equality demands that honest people be accorded the same treatment. And run this on through the same media as the other.

If anybody objected, I'd go the anti-semitic route: "You hate Jews!" Me, I wouldn't care how many claimed their best friend was Jewish! They either help me save my life or they're bigoted Jew haters. Remember that in modern America, perception is ALL and reality is pretty much unimportant.

You put gun control supporters in the category of being religious bigots, and they're gonna run for cover.

But it will take cooperative get-off-your-duff action by the impacted parties. If not, give up and move out.

Art

 

[Kacerdias]

Just an idea -


Carry a second wallet with realistic looking fake money and various fake wallet tidbits. Carry 2 cans of Fox Labs spray - the 4oz fogger and the 6oz clearout grenade.

When threatened just put your hands up and compliantly toss the fake wallet ahead of you as a distraction. In the case of 1 or 2 attackers hose them with the fogger. In the case of a mob, pop the 6oz grenade right in the middle of them and bolt.


Of course, this would be far easier with a nice hi-cap CZ and some spare magazines, but you've gotta make due with MD law. :banghead:

 

[Biker]

If my group were subject to all this maltreatment, I'd be putting dossiers together, complete with victims' photos as well as police incident reports.

And send them out: Radio talk-show people. TV news people. Editors.

And the community as a whole should be writing letters and making irate phone calls to each and every elected official, from city councilmen to the legislators and the governor.

"They're killing us! What are YOU going to DO to stop it?"

In a friendly manner, threaten recall elections. Same manner, threaten lawsuits for misfeasance/malfeasance over the lack of community protection. At the state level, call on the legislators for EQUALITY with the Bad Buys; the state does not prevent the BGs from having guns, so equality demands that honest people be accorded the same treatment. And run this on through the same media as the other.

If anybody objected, I'd go the anti-semitic route: "You hate Jews!" Me, I wouldn't care how many claimed their best friend was Jewish! They either help me save my life or they're bigoted Jew haters. Remember that in modern America, perception is ALL and reality is pretty much unimportant.

You put gun control supporters in the category of being religious bigots, and they're gonna run for cover.

But it will take cooperative get-off-your-duff action by the impacted parties. If not, give up and move out.

Art

In truth, Art, the 'anti-semitic' route I find as offensive as the antics that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton pull. I believe that it's wrong and can lead to backlash ala the boy-who-cried wolf syndrome. To use minority status to further an agenda is just plain wrong.
JMO...
Biker

 

[RON in PA]

Chaim: Why haven't you, your rabbis and other members of the community started writting letters to that bastion of liberalism, the Baltimore Sun. Deluge them. Also make a stink to the local state and federal reps.. Also, if this is organized in anyway and directed at the Jewish community wouldn't such behavior constitute "ethnic intimidation". Lots of laws against that.

Haven't lived in MD for 26 years, but they were some of the best years of my life and I find this all to be rather sickening. Rented in Pikesville and owned in Randallstown and I understand that the latter has gone down the tubes in a similar fashion.

 

[Spot77]

Have you actually tried to get a CCW permit? Maybe things have lightened up some?

No, they absolutely have not. MAYBE after next year's gubernatorial race, if Gov Bob wins again.......but don't hold your breath.

 

[Lemon328i]

Too late for the "Free State"

I feel for the Jewish Community of Baltimore, but it is no better for the Asian community or for the African American community (the good folks who can't afford to leave the bad areas). This city is so mired in the corruption of 60 years of Democratic rule that only one thing will get the City Council to do anything: Money. Whether it be in the form of bribes or witholding campaign donations, only money will get the local government to do anything.

Mayor O'Malley is in for a tough primary race against Doug Duncan. I suggest that if you want to get some action fast, contact the Duncan campaign so that they can get the message out. It will force O'Malley to do something (even if it won't work).

The Jewish community's plight here is the same as in every large anti-gun rights Democratic "Blue" State stronghold, you have no right to protect yourself and you have no right to sue the government for failing to protect you.

Your only recourse is to protect yourself. It is not illegal to carry a softball bat. Make sure you have a softball or glove on you though. Wouldn't want the lords and masters downtown to think you were actively defending yourself.

 

[Tokugawa]

Trying to fight a defensive action is a bitch. I guess the Jews know this ,it has only been going on for a thousand years or so. If the assailants were Gestapo or Cossacks what would you do?

 

[The_Antibubba]

If all else fails, I'll send you one of my Grandmother's matzo balls. With a good arm they'd be deadly at 20 feet.

 

[swampsniper]

Fuff is right. It's time to make a loud, continuous stink.

While you're stinking, apply for that CCW. If your target status is not sufficient to get you one, it's time to make another loud stink.

If you were in my town, I think I could round up a posse of not-quite-as-observant Jews like me who wouldn't have ANY problem carrying in your neighborhood on Shabbat.

If you were in my town, we could find some Christians happy to walk beside you. One of them is here now.

 

[Kurush]

In truth, Art, the 'anti-semitic' route I find as offensive as the antics that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton pull. I believe that it's wrong and can lead to backlash ala the boy-who-cried wolf syndrome. To use minority status to further an agenda is just plain wrong.
JMO...
Biker

I agree, race-baiting is a totally unacceptable means even if the ends are very important.

By the way, Chaim if you do end up moving to the Burgh drop me a line, I'd be happy to show you around the local ranges

 

[secamp32]

I think possession of a concealed Matzo ball

without a bowl of chicken soup is a felony.

If all else fails, I'll send you one of my Grandmother's matzo balls. With a good arm they'd be deadly at 20 feet.

 

[Tokugawa]

In case anybody has not noticed yet, "liberals" are not exactly on the side of Jews anymore. As a matter of fact, I have seen some distinctly anti semitic comments from the "left", as they spout anti US/Israel rhetoric. This is going to get worse, look to our enlightend European friends to show us how.

 

[Biker]

I'm not sure of what you're referring to as far as anti-semetic comments go, but imo, disagreeing with Israel's foreign policies doesn't necessarily equate to being anti-semetic anymore than disagreeing with Italy's foreign policies equate to ant-catholisism.
Biker