A nice 9mm under $500
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Fits all your requuirement and should be able to find it below $500.
Taurus 9mm
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albanian said:
Glocks are the best yes thats my opinion. One supported by over 75% of the leo market and a huge percentage of the CCW market. The XD is a nice copy. One I would not mind owning except for some flaws. For instance the trigger reset is long and its easy to short shroke the trigger. The mags are low cap compared to the Glock. The XD is simply a fair attempt at a Glock copy. Not quite making it to GLock Perfection. As for the Glock Reich ending well lets just say you will never see any auto with the police dominance Glock has for quite some time. I have never seen an SD in a fellow cops holster. I am sure there are some but their not common.
The Beretta is a nice pistol but looks wise its nothing special. That was your opinion.
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Soybomb said:Probably not until a manufacturer offers the pricing perfection that glock offers to law enforcement agencies.Cheap wins and glock sure makes some deals it seems.
Glock is not only affordable but they offer great durability, reliablity and accuracy in an easy to train on packadge. They are the best mouse trap right now for general service pistols.
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It appears that CDNN still has some FN Hi Powers (same assembly line as the Browning but with different markings) for $400. They come w/ 2 10 round mags, so you'd probably want to spend another $50 for a couple of factory 13 rounders, but you'd still have money left over for a decent holster of a few boxes of ammo.
I have two Hi Powers, and they are the most comfortable of all the large framed automatics in my hands. The fact that the design has been proven over 70 years is a real plus, too. If you've not handled one, I'd recommend you try to get to do so.
I have two Hi Powers, and they are the most comfortable of all the large framed automatics in my hands. The fact that the design has been proven over 70 years is a real plus, too. If you've not handled one, I'd recommend you try to get to do so.
1911 guy
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Several people have mentioned it, but...
I'll say it again. CZ75. I'm not a 9mm kind of guy, buy they impressed me as being good pistols. I had one before I was dumb enough to sell it to a friend. Good ergonomics and accuracy and very reliable.
I'll say it again. CZ75. I'm not a 9mm kind of guy, buy they impressed me as being good pistols. I had one before I was dumb enough to sell it to a friend. Good ergonomics and accuracy and very reliable.
CypherNinja
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My stainless CZ75 came in at under 500. 
wally
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355sigfan said:
I'm curious of what amount of the claimed "75% of the LEO market" that Glock has is because officers carrying whatever they can qualify with choose Glocks vs. what the powers that be (politicos) decided the department will be issued (because they were the cheapest contract purchase).
Sure they are reliable, but I put more bullets where they need to be faster with other guns that are equally reliable than I do with Glocks. I much prefer the XD trigger to the Glock and in my hand the Glock does feel like a block. YMMV. OTOH, none of the plastic guns are my top choices for self-defense.
--wally.
wally said:
Strange that you like the XD's trigger. I hate it. It has an extreemly long reset like a Sig in single action. That slows down rapid repeat shots unless you slap the trigger. At my current department officers have to buy their own weapons. 1911's and Glocks are the current choices. I have never seen an officer carry an xd. Who can blame them. Why carry a copy when you can get the real thing. I prefer my Wilson CQB but my Glock 17 is a close second.
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Since when was an XD a Glock copy? There are only so many ways you can make a polymer pistol. Now if everyone would have said said, "why have a copy of a HS 2000", then I'd have to agree. Now the Taurus is definitely a copy of the Beretta, but I wouldn't consider the XD to be a copy of the Glock.
I prefer the trigger, ergonomics and the grip safety on the XD and my hand can definitely tell everyone that the XD is not a copy of the Glock.
I prefer the trigger, ergonomics and the grip safety on the XD and my hand can definitely tell everyone that the XD is not a copy of the Glock.
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+1.....Missashot has a really nice, practically mint, ex-cop 5903 that was only $348 and shoots VERY well. In over 4000 rounds or so, we haven't had any issues with the gun at all, and it shoots better than most handguns that I've ever shot.Soybomb said:
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355sigfan said:
When I think copy, I think that it is a copy. The Glock and XD may be very similar, but they are not a copies of each other.
These are what I consider to be copies:
1. Howa 1500, Weatherby Vanguard, Mossberg 1500, S&W 1500
2. Beretta 92 and Taurus PT92
3. HS 2000 and XD
4. Walther P99 and S&W99
I really don't consider the XD and Glock to be copies. Very similar, but not copies.
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355sigfan said:
Mine goes bang everytime I pull the trigger, gives me decent accuracy (not as good as my Kimber), and fits me. I don't think that I could ask for a better sidearm than that. But then again as a Glock Armorer, YMMV.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't "Knock" Glock at all, I simply stated that *I* don't think that the XD is a Glock copy. If you feel that Glock is a better sidearm, well, that is fine as I have trust in my XD and that is all I need.
Just because most cops carry a Glock doesn't mean they are the best pistol available. SIGs are better made than Glocks but they cost more so most police depts don't want to spend the extra cash. Does that mean that Glocks are better than SIGs? I don't think so.
Most cops drive Chevy Caprices or similar. Does that mean that the Chevy Caprice is the best sedan on the market? I seriously doubt it. A BMW handles better and is probably a better car in all respects than a Caprice. Why don't cops drive BWMs? Is it because they are not as good as the Caprice, nope. It is because they do the the job at cheap price.
The idea that police depts have the best gear is unfounded. Glocks are cheap and easy to train the average cop to shoot well enough to qualify with. The average cop is just that, average. I don't base my decisions on what cops carry. They don't even have a say in what they carry most of the time. Also, most cops are not that interested in guns. They are not experts on guns anymore than they are experts on cars. In my town the cops carried the S&W SIGMA during the time that the SIGMA was considered the WORST pistol on the market. Did I run out and buy a SIGMA? What do you think? Cops can carry SIGMAs and drive Yugos for all I care, I don't copy cat them in some attemp to be like them. I practice more than 95% of cops do and probably shoot better than 95% of them as well. I don't need to look up to them for approval on what I am going to carry.
Most cops drive Chevy Caprices or similar. Does that mean that the Chevy Caprice is the best sedan on the market? I seriously doubt it. A BMW handles better and is probably a better car in all respects than a Caprice. Why don't cops drive BWMs? Is it because they are not as good as the Caprice, nope. It is because they do the the job at cheap price.
The idea that police depts have the best gear is unfounded. Glocks are cheap and easy to train the average cop to shoot well enough to qualify with. The average cop is just that, average. I don't base my decisions on what cops carry. They don't even have a say in what they carry most of the time. Also, most cops are not that interested in guns. They are not experts on guns anymore than they are experts on cars. In my town the cops carried the S&W SIGMA during the time that the SIGMA was considered the WORST pistol on the market. Did I run out and buy a SIGMA? What do you think? Cops can carry SIGMAs and drive Yugos for all I care, I don't copy cat them in some attemp to be like them. I practice more than 95% of cops do and probably shoot better than 95% of them as well. I don't need to look up to them for approval on what I am going to carry.
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355sigfan said:
Trigger reset is an issue I only seem to notice when dry firing with snap caps. Seems to me at the range as soon as the gun goes "boom" my trigger finger relaxes and I take up the slack during the recover from recoil phase -- even with my .22s. Probably explains why I'm generally pretty bad with DAO autos and am not much of a DA revolver shooter -- I'm pretty good with SA revolvers thumb cocking during the recover from recoil phase, the "western" style grips really seem designed to help do this.
1911 is my first choice by far so we agree here, but for me Glocks are in last place amoung quality guns. I'd not call the XD a copy of a Glock as the grip and trigger are way too different. I didn't think much of the XD until I shot one at the range during a "try mine" gun swap. If for some reason I couldn't use a cocked and locked gun, at this point it'd be a toss up between the XD or the new Taurus 24/7 PRO (maybe one of the 4" Kahr guns if their trigger is as good as on my PM40) I've not had either long enough to really decide between them, but so far I think the sights are better on the XD.
Edit: I consider the Taurus PT92 to be a major enhancement of the Beretta 92 because I learned that dislike DA/SA guns (SIGs included, despite my firsts autoloaders being a Beretta 92, and a SIG 220). The Taurus PT92 will do cocked and locked with the safety on the frame where JMB intended
--wally.
Northslope Nimrod
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1. CZ 75
2. SA 1911.....but may have to stick with Mil-spec to stay close to $500.
2. SA 1911.....but may have to stick with Mil-spec to stay close to $500.
P. Plainsman
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The CZ 75B is the obvious response to those seeking an attractive well made sub-$500 nine. However, it is not available in stainless.
I believe the finish options are black polycoat, glossy blue (more of a gloss black, but nice), satin nickel, and blued/nickel two-tone.
Recommend you also look at the CZ 75 SA, the single-action only version. It too can be had under $500. To me, the great thing about the CZs is the availability of Condition 1 carry. (I never shoot mine DA.) The SA-only versions are said to have better single action triggers than the more common 75Bs, which are DA/SA. My 75B's one flaw is trigger creep.
I believe the finish options are black polycoat, glossy blue (more of a gloss black, but nice), satin nickel, and blued/nickel two-tone.
Recommend you also look at the CZ 75 SA, the single-action only version. It too can be had under $500. To me, the great thing about the CZs is the availability of Condition 1 carry. (I never shoot mine DA.) The SA-only versions are said to have better single action triggers than the more common 75Bs, which are DA/SA. My 75B's one flaw is trigger creep.
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SouthpawShootr
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Here's a CZ75 stainless from Gunbroker. Just a little over budget.
www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=43558915
www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=43558915
mmike87
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Easy - CZ-75 variant
Solid construction, smooth trigger, safe cocked and locked carry with most variants, very low bore axis, confortable grip (get the factory rubber grips, they are great.)
The gun is mostly cast parts, but it's all metal and the fit and finish are excellent. You can get them easily for $400 NIB - a bargain.
The downside - crappy sights. Plan on getting better sights. They really suck.
Solid construction, smooth trigger, safe cocked and locked carry with most variants, very low bore axis, confortable grip (get the factory rubber grips, they are great.)
The gun is mostly cast parts, but it's all metal and the fit and finish are excellent. You can get them easily for $400 NIB - a bargain.
The downside - crappy sights. Plan on getting better sights. They really suck.
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