pappy19
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Maybe you all have seen this before but if not here is an example from a very experienced firearms expert.
Pap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE
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Yo Mama
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I hate the term accidental discharge. It's not an accident, it's negligence. It comes from violating one or more of the four rules. Guns just don't go off, we cheapen the responsible owners with the term of accident.
The video shows the guy owning up to a negligent discharge, vs. accidental which I appreciate. I'd rather your title be different.
The Serpa holster appears to have added to the negligence.
Thanks for posting, sorry for the soapbox.
The video shows the guy owning up to a negligent discharge, vs. accidental which I appreciate. I'd rather your title be different.
The Serpa holster appears to have added to the negligence.
Thanks for posting, sorry for the soapbox.
BADUNAME37
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If you watch closely and keep on pausing, at 1:04, you can actually see what appears to be the bullet exit his pants and zip around behind his right knee, as a real tiny light-colored dot!
What else would that be?
To me, I think it is the bullet, which means it was probably sitting on the ground right behind him directly after it happened!
What else would that be?
To me, I think it is the bullet, which means it was probably sitting on the ground right behind him directly after it happened!
jcwit
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Wrong! I had a pistol with a hammer drop safety that broke allowing an accidental discharge. I was and am smart enough to have it pointed downrange.
kingpin008
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I think you miss the point. In cases like this, there was no accident. It was negligence, and should be labeled as such.
Hardly a "very experienced expert", but someone who is honest enough to show the consequences of not keeping his booger hook off the bang switch.
BTW, the NSFW musical version almost made me wet myself laughing.
BTW, the NSFW musical version almost made me wet myself laughing.
Another idiot shoots himself playing around with "quick draw". yawn. I know 2 guys personally that have done the same thing. One with a nearly identical .38sp wound as the smuck in the video with the stupid hat and the other guy shot himself in the foot with a blackpowder .44
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Actually he (sadly) is very experienced, though obviously not much of an expert. I say this because he is a certified instructor and teaches classes. But maybe he shouldn't be just watch his Tactical Response Fighting Pistol video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLN3XLyP2W4&feature=feedu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLN3XLyP2W4&feature=feedu
why do people get in such a huff over this......
Its an ACCIDENT....as in, he didnt intend to shoot himself.....whether his ACCIDENT was caused by NEGLIGENCE is another matter....
you people are arguing useless semantics....AD/ND....you both understand that a bullet unintentionally came out the barrel.....
do you also tell your insurance agent you got into a "negligent automotive collision" every time you get into a fender bender.....no, you say you were in a "Car accident"....its simpler and still gets the point across
belercous
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Its not an "accident" when one has their finger on the trigger and the gun goes off. The gun worked as it was supposed to. Simply because this guy didn't want the gun to go off when it did does not make it an accident. The discharge was unintended to be sure, but it was no accident. If the gun malfunctioned, that would be different. What he did could very easily have been predicted, in fact, it would have been an accident if the gun didn't go off when the trigger was pulled. The laws of physics are still valid.
An "accident" connotes blamelessness. The vast majority of automobile "accidents" are not truly accidents, they're the result of negligence. In a court of law (which uses the original meaning), this was no accident. The root word "accidere" [Latin] means "fall upon, befall, happen, chance," something beyond one's ability to forsee or control. To equate unintended with accident makes the word unintended redundant and the word accident applicable to just about everything. e.g., I didn't intend for Congress to pass the Gun Control Bill of 1968, but that doesn't mean it was an accident that it was passed.
An "accident" connotes blamelessness. The vast majority of automobile "accidents" are not truly accidents, they're the result of negligence. In a court of law (which uses the original meaning), this was no accident. The root word "accidere" [Latin] means "fall upon, befall, happen, chance," something beyond one's ability to forsee or control. To equate unintended with accident makes the word unintended redundant and the word accident applicable to just about everything. e.g., I didn't intend for Congress to pass the Gun Control Bill of 1968, but that doesn't mean it was an accident that it was passed.
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kingpin008
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Who's in a huff?
All I stated was that there was negligence involved, therefore should be called for what it is.
An AD is when my nightstand gun goes off after I knock it onto the floor in the middle of the night while reaching because I heard a noise. (unlikely, but possible)
In this case, his finger was in an area that it had no reason to be, and it resulted in a couple new holes in his body. That's an ND.
All I stated was that there was negligence involved, therefore should be called for what it is.
An AD is when my nightstand gun goes off after I knock it onto the floor in the middle of the night while reaching because I heard a noise. (unlikely, but possible)
In this case, his finger was in an area that it had no reason to be, and it resulted in a couple new holes in his body. That's an ND.
it has nothing to do with the mechanical function of the weapon, and i have no idea where this theory got started
im willing to bet shooting himself in the leg was undesirable.......and unintentional
thus...it is an ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE.....
...now that doesnt mean that it wasnt caused by NEGLIGENCE.......but its still an ACCIDENT.......so AD or ND....either are correct.
im willing to bet shooting himself in the leg was undesirable.......and unintentional
thus...it is an ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE.....
...now that doesnt mean that it wasnt caused by NEGLIGENCE.......but its still an ACCIDENT.......so AD or ND....either are correct.
CalebJns
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It was very negligent on his part, but also very big on his part to fess up to HIS MISTAKE! I watched it a couple of times and noticed just what he was saying...HE GOOFED and it COST HIM. Not sure if any one read any of the comments under the video, but there were some classics...I do have to agree with one of them, I was shocked at the small size of the entrance and exit holes...Guess he is glad he wasn't shooting Self Defense ammo he could have very easily lost a BIG chunk of leg...
Amen. I love the "negligent automotive collision" comment!
kingpin008
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I love the fact that the fella downing on all the rest of us for getting in "such a huff" over the issue is getting pretty twisted up himself. 
Mainsail
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I can't believe people are still blaming the holster for this ND. We had a saying in the Flight Engineer world, "You gotta be smarter than what you're working with". That is how NOT to draw from a Serpa. It's the operator, not the equipment.
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Currently I use a Serpa Blackhawk but I actually decided to disable the retention device, I had this nice little spring that I put under the button so I can reactivate the retention if I want. Have to work it out with a screw driver so its not going anywhere.
I would like you to either send me the link or tell me how to find it because I must see this!
I would like you to either send me the link or tell me how to find it because I must see this!
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