"American Guns" TV show.....
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Ditto--I stated that as well earlier in the thread. And its host, Joe Montegna, is not only a great actor but a big Second Amendment supporter which in Hollywood is quite rare indeed.
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Carl N. Brown
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While to us it seems he is ripping folks off, there are some people who like to brag that they spendt $2K on a gun that we would not touch at over $600.
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If anyone is interested, I have a couple of sites that has all the episodes. Free to stream. Pretty much any other TV show you would want to watch as well. PM me and I'll return with the addresses and instructions on how to work them if you do not already know how to view streaming video.
BamAlmighty
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the sad thing is the lack of substance in the show is bad enough they have to whore out the daughter and mother to bring in viewers. And yeah... the daughter is easy on the eyes, but the mother is a PSA for cosmetic surgery gone wrong.
I've watched it a few times and I've found it mildly entertaining. Its leagues better than the "Sons of Guns" abortion. It cracks me up how much the fanboys of Redjacket have made them out to be gods but they are totally inept on the show. Nothing I've seem them make on the show seems to work, they try builds of things other people build and conclude it can't be done even though someone else has done it. Last show I watched the daughter had them convert a Saiga then acted bewildered at how awesome it was and said, "Wow, we are gonna sell a LOT of these?" Really? That has been a staple of their business for YEARS. Fake, fake, fake.
whitebb
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Not being a expert, but I watched the episode when he bought the M1 Garand. Who taught him to load it like that? Thats how you get Garand "thumb", or in his case Garand fingers. I have 2 of them, and read up and watched videos on how to properly load and fire the Garand rifle.
Smokin Gator
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"While to us it seems he is ripping folks off, there are some people who like to brag that they spendt $2K on a gun that we would not touch at over $600."
There is a big difference between someone buying a less expensive 1911 for $600 and not being willing to buy a Les Baer or Wilson Combat for 2 to 3000 bucks, for example, than the guys that they claim will pay $10,000 for a single action revolver clone or $20,000 for a 1866 Winchester copy. If this is what your talking about. And it's been shown allready that we really have no idea if any of the prices, whether it's guns he's buying or selling, are real or not. Mark
There is a big difference between someone buying a less expensive 1911 for $600 and not being willing to buy a Les Baer or Wilson Combat for 2 to 3000 bucks, for example, than the guys that they claim will pay $10,000 for a single action revolver clone or $20,000 for a 1866 Winchester copy. If this is what your talking about. And it's been shown allready that we really have no idea if any of the prices, whether it's guns he's buying or selling, are real or not. Mark
Gun Stories I do think is the best show out there, the discovery shows I just can not stand and tuned out long ago. I gave Triggers a try....I really tried...sorry pretty boy former airforce para reacue...OMG does that get old.
As for the other shows on OLN, shooting usa and such...I usually watch those on fast forward. They kinda bore me, I will stop for the historys guns segments, I will watch while the screw on whatever new doo-dad on to the black rifle, 10/22 or 1911. I will also watch the tips section, but that is about it. The other shows had a little too much ego in them for me.
You know what show I miss....Mail Call...that was a fun show.....it was like a BBC Top Gear of the gun/history world. You could care nothing about the subject and still have fun watching it.
As for the other shows on OLN, shooting usa and such...I usually watch those on fast forward. They kinda bore me, I will stop for the historys guns segments, I will watch while the screw on whatever new doo-dad on to the black rifle, 10/22 or 1911. I will also watch the tips section, but that is about it. The other shows had a little too much ego in them for me.
You know what show I miss....Mail Call...that was a fun show.....it was like a BBC Top Gear of the gun/history world. You could care nothing about the subject and still have fun watching it.
DM~
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I have to wonder if they REALLY pay those big numbers, OR the show just uses those big numbers to impress the viewers???
Could be that the buyers really don't what the show says, for those guns they halfazz build.
DM
Smokin Gator
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"I have to wonder if they REALLY pay those big numbers, OR the show just uses those big numbers to impress the viewers???
Could be that the buyers really don't what the show says, for those guns they halfazz build.
DM"
It's allready been mentioned, but we know for certain that at least some of the prices they are throwing out there are total bull. They claimed that one shooter was having them make a custom single action Colt clone and the cost was $10,000 although they said they really should charge more. The "buyer" talked about his experience on another forum and said that he never really made a deal for the gun and never had any intention of paying that kind of money for one. Not only that, but they claimed to have a handfull of more orders for similar guns. Someone from the show approached him because they liked his western preacher look and they just manufactured a story line to fit. He did not come into the store looking for the ultimate single action revolver as presented on the show. Mark
Could be that the buyers really don't what the show says, for those guns they halfazz build.
DM"
It's allready been mentioned, but we know for certain that at least some of the prices they are throwing out there are total bull. They claimed that one shooter was having them make a custom single action Colt clone and the cost was $10,000 although they said they really should charge more. The "buyer" talked about his experience on another forum and said that he never really made a deal for the gun and never had any intention of paying that kind of money for one. Not only that, but they claimed to have a handfull of more orders for similar guns. Someone from the show approached him because they liked his western preacher look and they just manufactured a story line to fit. He did not come into the store looking for the ultimate single action revolver as presented on the show. Mark
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Gator, could you please direct us to that forum? I would like to see that and possibly respond to get a more accurate idea from this guy. Thanks. If you don't want to post it public please PM it to me.
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This wouldn't surprise me and I'm ok with it. Buyer likely gets to spend what he intended to spend and Discover channel chips in the rest so that an opportunity exists to showcase a custom build.
As for the pricing. In a totally different unrelated field, I used to have to prepare quotes for custom one off work. The failure rates requiring redos before the customer got the final product were common. In fact, it wasn't uncommon to make very little money off the first product. Where we could make a fair profit was on repeat work when we had a much better grasp on what it took to do. My guess is that he charges what he does for the custom guns in order to protect his downside. In the case of the knuclebuster pistol (destroyed a few stainless cylinders) and the brass lever action (needed a second barrel) he had issues.
gathert
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There is a marathon of the show on today. Oh boy.
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Smokin Gator
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Freedom Fighter.
here is the link to the preacher's comments on the SASS forum:
http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?...&#entry2292694
His post is pasted for your reference:
"Hello everyone,
Thanks for the kind words that have been written. The experience on the Discovery Channel was a fun one for me. Certainly an experience I have never had and may never have again. I suppose that I could report a few things that could embarrass parties involved but I won't. Just keep in mind that reality and TV should probably never be used in the same sentence.
I didn't get to keep the gun and never had an ability to pay that much (or much less for that matter) for it in the first place. Casting producers saw me at the Rocky Mountain Regional Raid last summer and were interested in my character and background. As things moved forward they asked me to come to Colorado and film for the project. Again I certainly had a good time, and got to see some behind the scenes stuff that makes shows come to be. Hopefully cowboy action shooters were portrayed in a positive way.
My family and I have enjoyed many years of shooting cowboy action and those are some of our best memories.
I trust that I will see many of you on the trail in the months ahead. Keep shooting straight, true, and fast.
May God Bless us all!
Fort Hays Preacher
He is a cowboy action shooter. There was more discussion but this was his original post on the subject. Mark
here is the link to the preacher's comments on the SASS forum:
http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?...&#entry2292694
His post is pasted for your reference:
"Hello everyone,
Thanks for the kind words that have been written. The experience on the Discovery Channel was a fun one for me. Certainly an experience I have never had and may never have again. I suppose that I could report a few things that could embarrass parties involved but I won't. Just keep in mind that reality and TV should probably never be used in the same sentence.
I didn't get to keep the gun and never had an ability to pay that much (or much less for that matter) for it in the first place. Casting producers saw me at the Rocky Mountain Regional Raid last summer and were interested in my character and background. As things moved forward they asked me to come to Colorado and film for the project. Again I certainly had a good time, and got to see some behind the scenes stuff that makes shows come to be. Hopefully cowboy action shooters were portrayed in a positive way.
My family and I have enjoyed many years of shooting cowboy action and those are some of our best memories.
I trust that I will see many of you on the trail in the months ahead. Keep shooting straight, true, and fast.
May God Bless us all!
Fort Hays Preacher
He is a cowboy action shooter. There was more discussion but this was his original post on the subject. Mark
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^^Highly interesting.
And right now, they had a guy come in wanting a big freakin' gun. They told him, they have to build it for him. So they are cutting him a custom .50 BMG bolt rifle, for many thousands of dollars' worth of barter, and failed to tell him about a McMillan or a AR-50, which would cost a fraction of the cost. Like, a guy comes in looking for a truck, and they tell him; "We can build you this really exotic thing, called a Chevy Pickup. But you have to let us custom make all the parts. This isn't something you can just.....find at any used car dealer or something and put your own flames on it."
And right now, they had a guy come in wanting a big freakin' gun. They told him, they have to build it for him. So they are cutting him a custom .50 BMG bolt rifle, for many thousands of dollars' worth of barter, and failed to tell him about a McMillan or a AR-50, which would cost a fraction of the cost. Like, a guy comes in looking for a truck, and they tell him; "We can build you this really exotic thing, called a Chevy Pickup. But you have to let us custom make all the parts. This isn't something you can just.....find at any used car dealer or something and put your own flames on it."
tnxdshooter
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So a preacher was in on a lie and knew about it? I dont think I would want him as my preacher.
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The caption/warning at the beginning of the shows should read "... Professional LIARS..." rather than professionals.
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Why do all the targerts have to expolde? I want to see where the shots hit........
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Thankyou Gator for that link. I will look at it in a moment. But first off...some comments about tonight's show!!!
OK mljdeckard pretty much summed up the .50cal. Only thing I can add to that is, they didn't make a thing other than a muzzle break. Oh and if you didn't notice the little popup when they were talking about .50cal, they said that the .50cal is the most popular caliber among long range COMPETITION shooters!! Had to catch my breath after that horse turd hit the screen!
Now on to the most interesting part of the show. Fella brought in a couple of VERY interesting handguns. A Colt Dragoon and a Colt Walker!!!! Rich finally admitted something that we all already knew, he doesn't know much!!! He brought in a couple of supposed experts. They are supposed to be the foremost experts in the field. Now, I don't know a whole hell of a lot nor will I ever claim to be an "expert" on antique firearms. BUT one thing I DO know is that I would NEVER try comparing a real handgun next to supposed lifesize PICTURES to make an "expert" opinion!! Photos, no matter how good the camera is, can NEVER portray true sizing and such because of angular sectioning. It is physically impossible! Now another thing I noticed as well, the owner noticed it too, they never removed the grips on the Walker! That is the FIRST thing you do when looking over an antique Colt! Now another thing I noticed, the picture that they were comparing it too looked to be of a Walker that was PRESENTATION grade. Sam would ALWAYS make some little differences such as a little more angle in the heel or something that would stand out from all the others. What the owner brought in looked to be regular production grade. For those that didn't watch tonights episode, the supposed "experts" claimed that the Walker was a fake Italian made reproduction from the 1960's era. Without looking at it and holding it in my hands, I could not confirm or deny it being an original Walker, but I could tell you that without removing the grips as well as a few other things they failed to do, there is no way in hell ANY "expert" would jump to that conclusion.
Seems that again, the Discovery channel is trying to pass muster with nonsense!
OK mljdeckard pretty much summed up the .50cal. Only thing I can add to that is, they didn't make a thing other than a muzzle break. Oh and if you didn't notice the little popup when they were talking about .50cal, they said that the .50cal is the most popular caliber among long range COMPETITION shooters!! Had to catch my breath after that horse turd hit the screen!
Now on to the most interesting part of the show. Fella brought in a couple of VERY interesting handguns. A Colt Dragoon and a Colt Walker!!!! Rich finally admitted something that we all already knew, he doesn't know much!!! He brought in a couple of supposed experts. They are supposed to be the foremost experts in the field. Now, I don't know a whole hell of a lot nor will I ever claim to be an "expert" on antique firearms. BUT one thing I DO know is that I would NEVER try comparing a real handgun next to supposed lifesize PICTURES to make an "expert" opinion!! Photos, no matter how good the camera is, can NEVER portray true sizing and such because of angular sectioning. It is physically impossible! Now another thing I noticed as well, the owner noticed it too, they never removed the grips on the Walker! That is the FIRST thing you do when looking over an antique Colt! Now another thing I noticed, the picture that they were comparing it too looked to be of a Walker that was PRESENTATION grade. Sam would ALWAYS make some little differences such as a little more angle in the heel or something that would stand out from all the others. What the owner brought in looked to be regular production grade. For those that didn't watch tonights episode, the supposed "experts" claimed that the Walker was a fake Italian made reproduction from the 1960's era. Without looking at it and holding it in my hands, I could not confirm or deny it being an original Walker, but I could tell you that without removing the grips as well as a few other things they failed to do, there is no way in hell ANY "expert" would jump to that conclusion.
Seems that again, the Discovery channel is trying to pass muster with nonsense!
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