Anti from somewhere least expected...

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Well I honestly think it's mental. Here's how I can tell: He sits on it for hours... won't get off until you ask to be on, then he says sure. This is after 7-8 hours.

I play for a half hour. He says, hurry up, I wanna play.

I usually let him because I've got nothing better to do. Also, he's so involved in the game (forgive me for mentioning this), that he'd rather see a naked game characters than a real girl! I found pictures of his on the hidden folders.

He's too damn lazy to get a job, and sits so high in his pedestal that he thinks they'll come to him to hire him. He doesn't have his liscense because he doesn't want to do anything but play that flippin game. Hey, I play it too, but not to where it becomes an obsession.

I looked over his shoulder once, and he has a female character or "Toon", and these nerds on there were talkign about what they'd do to "her", and all he could do was laugh.
He says it's just so he can get free money, but I think it's something else.

I'm going to talk to our mother tomorrow and tell her that if he wants to play the game, he needs to get a job. She feeds into his BS all the time, and honestly, I think she's afraid of him. Our whole family really is. He's only halfway decent when there's someone around that can beat his ass. I've beat the crap outta him a few times, but he's so far in denial that he says he's the one that wins.
I swear to God, if he tries to hurt our mother, he'll be onthe recieving end of my 20 gauge.

He's getting into a phaze now where he's being appealed to what the nazi's did in world war 2. Now he talkes about killing jews, burning them, and other Nazi bs. I ask him why he says that and he says, "Because they killed our lord!"
but I also think differently.

See, we're Catholic, but haven't been to Church in years.

I really do need to talk to someone about him. He's gotten so out of hand, it's a wonder there aren't any police coming to the door (as many threats as he issues in game).

I've already tried to get into the military. It was my only plan out of highschool... all I wanted to do. The disqualified me for my acute case of asthma. I wanted to be a Marine like my Pops.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

I also want to thank you guys for the support. I don't even know half of you, and you're turning up with some awesome advice, and you're guiding me in the right direction.

It means a lot to me, and for you all being total strangers... man you don't see that much anymore. Thanks, all.

 

[Golden Hound]

Hahahaha....say what you will about the Communists, they sure as hell knew how to make rifles.

When I was a kid I was obsessed with Soviet Russia. I thought it was the coolest thing in the world. (I have ancestry from Russia but they came here before the Bolsheviks took over.) I still like Russian stuff, especially their guns, but not their government. (Look at my sig.)

 

[rainbowbob]

Buck:

Did you check out this link yet? http://www.nami.org/
If so - does the description of bipolar "fit" your brother?

You must understand that if he is truly ill, he won't be able to recognize it because the organ used to understand the illness is the the one that is malfunctioning (look up the term "anosognosia').

As difficult as it will be - you must not take the irrational and delusional things he says to you personally. You must try to avoid confrontational reactions to what seems like absolutely obnoxious behaviour. I realize this will be nearly impossible - but it will be easier if you understand he is not in his right mind and his words and actions are being driven by a chemical imbalance in his brain.

In one sense, it is no different than if his lungs, or liver were malfunctioning. the big difference of course is when the brain malfunctions it causes unacceptable behaviours.

You won't be able to deal with this without help and support - and lots of it. Your brother might hate you for getting him help he doesn't think he needs or wants. Your parents may be in denial or otherwise resistant to the idea that their son is mentally ill. Nobody is going to hang a medal on you.

Do it anyway - for your own sanity and peace of mind. Someday you'll be able to say "I did what I had to do. I did the right thing. " And someday your brother might be stable and well because of what you do next.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

I'm going to look at that, then probably have my mother look at it. Hopefully something gets decided.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

-either an elated, happy mood or an irritable, angry, unpleasant mood (check)
-increased physical and mental activity and energy (no check)
-racing thoughts and flight of ideas (Check)
-increased talking, more rapid speech than normal (no check)
-ambitious, often grandiose plans (CHECK)
-risk taking (NO Check, too lazy)
-impulsive activity such as spending sprees, sexual indiscretion, and alcohol abuse (Check I suppose)
-decreased sleep without experiencing fatigue (check)

5/8. I'd say he's bi-polar ish.

 

[rainbowbob]

Take care of yourself...I suspect this will be a long haul. PM me if you have any questions or just want to talk about what you find out.

Helping others through this is the only way to make any sense out of the pain and hardships we've experienced.

 

[Powderman]

Buck, some suggestions...

1. First ensure that your firearms are locked and secured AT ALL TIMES. Do NOT leave any firearms or ammunition in reach of your brother at any time.

2. If you have keyed locks, consider having them re-keyed. Yes, I'm serious.
3. Depending on how many guns you have, consider also disabling them while in storage. How? For semi-auto pistols, remove the top half. For revolvers, remove the cylinder. Bolt action rifles, remove the bolt (of course). Same for semi-autos. Pump actions, remove the bolt assembly; or in some cases, remove the trigger assembly.

Buy a smaller security cabinet, and lock all the firing mechanisms in it. You should be the ONLY one to have a key to that cabinet.

4. Consider the purchase of a REAL safe--mechanical combination type--as soon as possible.

I'm sorry that you have to take such measures, but I'll be straight--from your descriptions, it seems like your brother is a time bomb with a burning fuse.

If his behavior becomes too bizarre, consider involving your local public health office for an involuntary commitment. Yes, it's that serious.

Good luck for the future.

Oh, and by the way? Move out ASAP, and get out on your own.

 

[rainbowbob]

If his behavior becomes too bizarre, consider involving your local public health office for an involuntary commitment. Yes, it's that serious.

This sounds like a real possibility considering his threats and other behaviour. It may also be the hardest thing you ever do in your life.

You may be told by mental health professionals, "We are very sorry, but there is nothing we can do. Your brother doesn't appear to be a danger to himself or others."

This is where you will have to step up and be willing to swear - in court if necessary - that he has made repeated threats of violence. It will be the best thing you can do for your brother - even if he hates you for it. When he gets well - things will hopefully smooth out.

And Powderman is right: Lock up the guns. And watch your six.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

A mechanical safe is out of the question. I only make 20-30 dollars a week.

Thanks for the support though, guys. I'll keep watch, he's supposedly starting new meds at the end of the week, and just been told now, so I'll see if he improves. If no, then it's off to mental ward with his friend Straighty McJacket.

 

[42]

I have a few anti social mates who pllay the game but they are just misanthropic or sociall arkward but this guy sounds a lot odder.

My advice would be kid gloves dont mess with the characters but go for the get him a job idea.

I have a che shirt or two because I like the book he wrote and read it as a journey novel like fear and loathing or the gobetween I may not agree with his political views but philosophically speaking it is interesting.

 

[PTK]

No one else said it that I saw, so I will....

he says Russia uses shock collars on their kids

Go buy a shock collar.

 

[JWarren]

PTK wrote:

No one else said it that I saw, so I will....


Quote:
he says Russia uses shock collars on their kids

Go buy a shock collar.

OK... now that is funny.


Seriously, he admires Russia and makes the statement that shock collars were used on kids....

Maybe a cry for someone to give him discipline and boundries?

Nah... people who say that are always in the believe that somehow they are the "Shockers" and never the "Shockees."

As someone mentioned, the reality of living in Soviet Russia may well have curbed a certain degree of enthusiasm for the society that they created.


The comments that he made about Nazi Germany and the subsequent comments about the "Jews killing our Lord" are interesting.

I didn't get the sense that he was overly religeous, and the OP confirmed that attendance at church isn't frequent. Even so, the church typically has an opinion about the whole "Killing our Lord" thing that is not of his mindset.

It sounds like an attempt to lash out at SOMEBODY. Jews are as good as anyone else in that reasoning.

I find it particularly interesting that he glorifies in his mind two rather extreme and central-government oriented societies.

If he were JUST fascinated with Soviet Russia or JUST fascninated with Nazi Germany, I could perhaps see this as a passing interest. The two, however, makes me look for the commonalities that would attract a person to thier ideologies.

On first glance, I would say that it is the idea that there are LOTS of things wrong with our society (and he is right in that respect to a degree), but also that a strong, authoritative government would operate in his interests. I think that is a novel notion and not one based in the facts.


At any rate, I think there is more brewing under the surface than we are seeing even now.


-- John

 

[dbones]

I would video tape one of your conversations with him that sets him off and running. Then once he is calm again, show him how he actually acts during his rants.

My son used to be this same way until I did that, now he starts up and he remembers that video. Made him take a good look at himself.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

I'm thinking about recording one via sound file (don't have a camera). let him hear how he sounds.

And this actually makes me remember something:

He says there's this kid that goes to his school named Domovoy Karamazov. He says said kid's grandpa met Stalin first hand.

I talked to his 1 and only real friend and asked if there was such a kid there, and the kid said no.

I tell my bro what I find out, and he says, "oh yeah, he went to PAC this year"
PAC's an alternate school for unruly kids where I live.

I am good buddies with someone who goes to PAC so I had to ask.

Buddy says that there isn't, nor ever were, a Russian person going to that school.

Does this have something to do with what we're talking about? Making up friends, or imaginary friends is something that was supposed to be around when he was like, 7, and that's it. It's hard to believe a 16 yo would be doing that.

 

[blackthorn762]

All great advise...lock up any guns and so forth. But also one other thing. PLEASE DO NOT try to diagnose your brother with information from web sites or from the advise of others. Get him professional diagnosis and help. There any number of Mental Illness conditions that "present" in very similar ways and typically, it is very difficult for someone without extensive training to make an accurate diagnosis. This is because the process by which this occurs is through interviews, assessments, and then evaluating the information gathered based on what is called "differential criteria."

My wife is a Licensed Psychologist and I have spent years working in the Mental Health field. To be honost, while it may well be - I'm not qualified to say for certain - based on my experience, what you are describing does not sound like Bi-Polar Disorder, but rather something else. Only a professional can say for certain.

Just my 2 cents...

 

[doc2rn]

Sounds to me like he has some inward anger issues he is trying to get out but failing to connect.

Secure your firearms, as others have pointed out. When he starts one of his meanderrings say "that's a good idea write it down for me." This should provide him with some quiet time to cool off and get his head straight.

One question, how wide are his mood swings and do they always go from normal to anger? He may be misdiagnosed. He sounds more bi-polar than ADHD.
^I am not a medical doctor but I do know bi-polarism as I have suffered with it for almost 25 yrs.

 

[macadore]

It can be difficult to distinguish between normal adolescent moratorium and bipolar disorder. That’s why I said in my original post that he may grow out of it and he may not. If you can find a book on adolescent psychology, see what James Marcia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Marcia ) has to say.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Thanks guys. He can be happy at once, but then turn rabid, and the likes.

 

[Rachen]

It means a lot to me, and for you all being total strangers... man you don't see that much anymore. Thanks, all.

That is what THR is all about. This is not just a gun forum, it is a forum for people with mutual interests. And people with mutual interests always help each other out when they are in need.

I am second with what Powderman says. Lock up your guns, lock them up really good, make sure he can't get to them. I can't emphasize this point more importantly. Your last few posts said he also admired the Nazis and glorified the killing of the Jews. Now that is simply chilling, as 3 years ago, somewhere in Wyoming, a Native American kid shot up his high school and killed 6 people, I believe. Investigators discovered that the boy worshipped Hitler like a god, and had a shrine dedicated to Hitler at home. Apparently, he stole the guns from a family member. This is some chilling stuff here. Keep us updated on your brother's condition.

 

[Rachen]

Just this week, someone in another country broke into the police station with a knife and killed five or so wounding 4. He says, can you picture how much worse it'd be if you had guns in the picture?'

Happened right in Shanghai, my home city!
Zhijiawei Police Station. Psycho was a bicycle thief for years before cops from Zhijiawei Precinct busted him for it. The judge sentenced him to 2 years in jail for 20 odd bikes stolen and sold on the black market. Nobody, not even his former inmates, noticed that this was not your ordinary thief. Nobody expected him to go berserk.

And yet he did this week. I was up way early in the morning three days ago getting ready to go to work and had the radio on to 1380AM Chinese News, and I heard this.

 

[springmom]

You'll want to check the laws in your state; but in many states, involuntary committment of a child cannot be done past the 16th birthday. Nor can a child over 16 be required to take medication. I know this is the law in Texas; you'd need to find out about your own state.

It is certainly true that as his brother, rather than as a parent, you yourself are going to be incapable of having him committed. You *could* call the police when he's in a rage; they may or may not have a psych eval done, depending (again) on how such things are handled in your state/local area.

Ultimately, this particular issue is your mother's (and your father's, whether you brother wishes to acknowledge him or not) to deal with. You are a temporary part of the household, it sounds like; she is his mother and IF your state allows for commitment for an evaluation, it would be she who will need to do it. And of course, she'd have to pay for it, which is no joke.

Talk to your mother; if the two of you present a united front, it will be much easier for her to enforce restrictions and requirements. Don't decide on your own to discipline or fix him, nor to take away WoW. That too is your mother's job, not yours.

Good luck; you have a tough row to hoe.

Springmom

 

[LWGN]

I wil reiterate what others have said here. Lock up your guns. Lock them up really well.

Then immediately let the psychiatrist or other physician who is prescribing meds to your brother know in detail what has been going on. Put it in writing so the details don't get blurred by either party. Some of the behavior your brother is exhibiting could be due to an additional, as yet undiagnosed, psychiatric condition, or it could be related to side effects of the medication he is already on. In either case, the physician treating him needs to know how bizarre and threatening his thoughts and behavior have become.

I pray that your brother can find his way back, and that your family is protected.My heart goes out to you all.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Thanks again.

No I don't plan on doing the parenting, taking away wow, or doing it myself. I've stated before that I'd be talking to our mother.
She just needs the strength.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Good news! My brother is getting better. He's appreciating the family more, not speaking anti-gun speils, nor making threats. He still talks about Russia a lot and jokes about Jews (I don't see the humor in that), but he's getting better. He still spends a lot of time on WoW, but he's changed.

The medicine was prescribed by me. Me and him got into it about a week or so after I posted this thread, and I beat the living tar out of him. I knocked him unconsious. He came to, cussing and screaming and threatening me, but I hit him again and he just stopped.

I take it he mulled it over and realized that his behavior was causing the pain he was feeling. I talked to him after and explained to him why he made me mad and why I hit him (he initially made the first punch on me) and now he's better. He doesn't act at all like he used to.

I appreciate all the help and support guys. I got another family on here as well. =)